Crime Junkie - WANTED: Justice for David Carter
Episode Date: March 4, 2024Ohio State Highway Patrol were identifying unknown remains along the side of a highway in northern Ohio at the same time a man in Michigan was being reported missing. Now, over 5 years later, U.S. Mar...shals are still searching for the culprit of this despicable crime. And they know exactly who they’re looking for, she’s just been on the run since 2018. Listen closely to this episode, and if you believe you’ve seen Tammy, or someone who looks and acts an awful lot like her, please submit your tip to the U.S. Marshals’ 24/7 tip line.You can also call 1-877-WANTED-2 (9268-2) or use the USMS Tips App.Source materials for this episode cannot be listed here due to character limitations. For a full list of sources, please visit: crimejunkiepodcast.com/wanted-justice-for-david-carter Did you know you can listen to this episode ad-free? Join the Fan Club! Visit https://crimejunkie.app/library/ to view the current membership options and policies.Don’t miss out on all things Crime Junkie!Instagram: @crimejunkiepodcast | @audiochuckTwitter: @CrimeJunkiePod | @audiochuckTikTok: @crimejunkiepodcastFacebook: /CrimeJunkiePodcast | /audiochuckllc Crime Junkie is hosted by Ashley Flowers and Brit Prawat. Instagram: @ashleyflowers | @britprawatTwitter: @Ash_Flowers | @britprawatTikTok: @ashleyflowerscrimejunkieFacebook: /AshleyFlowers.AF Text Ashley at +1 (317) 733-7485 to talk all things true crime, get behind the scenes updates, random photos of Chuck, and more!
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Hi, crime junkies. I'm your host Ashley Flowers.
And I'm Britt.
And I'm gonna do something a little different today.
I'm kind of starting with a spoiler.
I'm gonna tell you that today's story ends with a plea to the public to be on the lookout
for someone who committed a heinous crime.
One that only very evil, very twisted people could do.
And in this person's act of violence, they took the life
of a 39-year-old dad who was devoted to his son and his family and worked hard to provide
for them in a small suburb outside of Detroit, Michigan. And I said it's a spoiler because
this person is still on the run, so I need you to listen carefully to every detail so
you can help us find them. And finally, bring justice
to a family that's been waiting over five years for it. This is the story of David Carter. Tasia Carter Jackson is going about her regular Tuesday morning routine in October 2018 when
she gets a call from her brother's coworker asking if she knew where her brother David
is.
This coworker tells her that David was a no show for work on Sunday and Monday and
today, Tuesday, which immediately alarms Teja.
According to Netflix's Unsolved Mysteries episode, it's just not like him to skip one
day, much less three.
So something must be very wrong.
And that's when Teja remembers that on Sunday, David had sent a text to his son, DJ, saying
that he was sick and he would need to skip their typical
Sunday night get together.
DJ was supposed to go to his house.
He's like, no, you know, just stay there.
I'm not feeling so good.
So she wonders if things had gotten really bad.
If like, he couldn't even pick up the phone to call into work,
someone needs to go check on him.
So Tasia and her husband head over to his apartment
to see what's up.
Now, when they arrive, they see that David's car is parked in front of his place, so they
kind of breathe this like tiny sigh of relief until they walk up to his apartment and they
find that his front door is unlocked.
And Tasia knows this is entirely out of character for David.
Melvendale, Michigan, where he lives isn't necessarily a dangerous place by any means,
but David's again just not the kind of guy to leave his door unlocked.
Well, not many people are in this day and age.
No.
So like right away when she sees this, like major alarm bells, she immediately calls her
dad and she calls DJ's mom, Samia, to come over because she's like something's something's
very wrong here.
And I assume that David and Samia aren't still together.
No, I don't think they've been together
for like a while at this point.
I mean, David's even dating someone else,
but he and Samia still have a really good relationship.
So they call them to come over,
but like they don't wait around.
With a little apprehension, they open the door,
they walk in only to find that his place is a straight up mess.
And not like a, I've been a sick dude mess, because that doesn't even apply to David.
According to Teja, David is a very tidy guy, and this place just doesn't even look like
it belongs to him.
Everything's out of order, his bed isn't made, there's no sick David laying around
or honestly anywhere in the apartment.
So Teja and the group start looking around for any clues
as to what could have happened or where he could be.
According to an America's Most Wanted episode
that aired in March of 2021,
they don't get very far into their search
before Teja looks under his bed.
And when she does, she sees a huge red stain
and an empty bottle of peroxide.
Samia's here by this point.
She calls her in to look at it
and she pulls the comforter and sheets off the bed
and they see even more red stains on the mattress
and what appears to be a bullet hole at the top.
Teja then yells for her dad to come
and when he steps in, he takes a moment to take it all in.
Not just the bed, but the whole
room.
And what he sees when he does that is another small bullet hole, this time in the closet
door across the room from David's bed.
And in that moment, like his military training immediately kicks in and he tells everyone,
okay, we need to get out of this apartment right now because I'm pretty sure we just
walked into a crime scene.
I mean, bravo to him.
I feel like far, far, far too often we hear about people coming in and seeing a scene like
this and...
Disturbing it even more.
Yeah.
So David's dad Elton calls police, tells them that something bad has happened to his
39-year-old son, but he has no idea where his son is actually at.
And police take this call seriously and move quickly into investigative mode.
Reporting by Rod Maloney and Derek Hutchinson for Click on Detroit says by 4pm that same
day, which is Tuesday, October 2, police have secured the crime scene and are combing through
his apartment.
Investigators spend over 24 hours clocking everything in David's place.
And truth be told, I don't know what is standard for a crime scene
I mean that are there honestly might not be a standard for how long you're there
It might come down to like how good your lead investigator is or how good the tech teams are
But which it sounds like these are all pretty good and really thorough
Yeah, it just seemed like a long time to me like a full 24 hours is like you're going through everything
Yeah, now even though they're going through everything in all the research
I couldn't find anything giving a list of specific evidence that was collected
I mean we know what Teja found and I assume all of that got collected in process
But there's nothing stating if they found anything else like if any bullets or casings were actually recovered or any of his electronics, things like that.
But the thing I know that they don't find is David.
So while law enforcement is going over his place with a fine tooth comb, David's family
sets out to find answers.
Starting with David's girlfriend, Tamara Williams, who goes by Tammy.
Teja calls her to see if she knows where David's at, and she tells her, nope, I haven't talked
to him or seen him since Sunday.
Which like, Sunday is when his son last talked to him too, fine, like that might have made
sense a few hours ago when everyone just thought he was sick, but now all of their hackles
are up, because David and Tammy, the two of them had been like glued at the hip for the
last six months.
So like what do you mean you haven't talked to him in days?
I mean, not to mention there's a bullet hole where his head should be in bed six.
Right.
Is she saying she even tried to get a hold of him?
Like she couldn't get a hold of him or she was like, oh, weird.
Like, I guess he's just MIA.
Haven't heard from him.
I think it's more at the latter.
Like she's kind of just dismissive at Teja.
She doesn't even offer to call him or tell her that she's tried talking to him. I mean,
she doesn't even offer to help look for him now that they are.
So it just feels all sorts of wrong, though it doesn't help that Teja already isn't
Tammy's biggest fan. And all along, Teja has kind of felt like she's the only one who could see through
Tammy's act.
Like Tammy had gone to high school with David and back then she was friendly and outgoing.
But I guess when Tammy was reintroduced to David through a mutual friend, now they're
obviously they're much older than high school age, Tasia could just tell that something
was off with her.
Tammy was super jealous, super controlling, obsessive even. Like she wants David all to
herself, which recently had included keeping him away from his own son and like forget
DJ's mom, like she did not want them on good terms.
Did Teja ever try talking to David about Tammy?
I don't know if she did or not, but I think David was actually coming to the realization
of a lot of this same stuff,
whether that was through his sister or even just on his own, because he had actually confided
Entasia about a fight that he had with Tammy a few days before. Entasia was pretty sure that
David said he was going to be leaving Tammy. Which, if you're with someone like Tammy, that's
incredibly dangerous territory. I mean, sounds like she's's one of those if I can't have you, no one can kind of people.
Yeah, that's the fear that has been planted
in the back of Teja's mind
since she found that bullet hole in David's bed.
So the family keeps calling around
and Teja decides to take to Facebook.
According to reporting by Kayla Clark for Click on Detroit,
they set up a Facebook page called Help Find David Carter,
and they start posting about his last known location,
what he might have been wearing,
and to be on the lookout for anyone matching his description.
And these Facebook posts get the attention
of people at David's son's school.
DJ actually explains on his own TikTok
how word got to him.
And I want you to hear it straight from him.
So I'm at school and I'm in class and my coaches calls me
on my class and was like, yeah, like,
is everything okay?
Like everything good?
Like, what's up?
I'm like, what you mean?
Like what you talking about?
He goes, he goes to say like, yeah,
like you haven't seen what,
what takes your put out on Facebook?
I was like, nah, like what she put out?
So that same day me and my dad was texting, you know,
I'm making sure that he's good,
checking up on him and stuff like that.
And, you know, he's texting back.
So we didn't have a little conversation.
And I'm like, nah, I haven't seen what Tayjah put out
on Facebook.
I don't know if you guys know what Tayjah is.
I will attack her.
And she also did explain the story as well on her TikTok.
So I was like, yeah, I haven't seen what she put out.
What is it?
You know what I'm saying?
So he goes and shows me and I almost dropped to my knees
when I seen this.
DJ said he couldn't understand what was happening
because he said he'd literally just been texting his dad
over the last few days like nothing was wrong.
So he had to go back to class
with just the most wild thoughts running through his mind.
And the thing that keeps replaying over and over
in his head was the interaction he had with Tammy on Sunday.
So I told you that David canceled plans with him over text.
Said he was too sick, his son shouldn't come over.
But the details of what went down are far more eerie
than just that.
My dad texted my mom saying that he was feeling really sick
and he didn't want the kids to be around.
So she said that was cool or whatever.
So we ended up going to my grandma's house, right?
Or she told us to go to my grandma's house.
And so it was just cool with me. So I told her I need to go to my dad's house and uh so it was cool with me so I told
her I need to go to my dad's and grab a few things that I forgot over there before we go so she's
okay she's okay cool go ahead so boom so we ended up um getting to my dad's and I see Tamara
walking to the trash can and I said hey to her but she ended up she just took off running back to
my dad's apartment and I thought it was weird so I was like whatever so I just parked the car got out and went up to his um went up to
his door so as I went to his door the door was locked so I was like I thought she saw me whatever
so I locked the door I go in and um when I went in she popped up in my face was like hey David was
going on like what you doing here and stuff like that I was like yeah I just came here because I forgot a few things you know Sam before I go to my grandma's and she was like, hey, David was going on. Like, what you doing here and stuff like that? I was like, yeah, I just came here
because I forgot a few things, you know what I'm saying?
Before I go to my grandma's.
And she was like, okay, all right, cool.
So I walk around and see if I could find it.
You know, I'm on my room, his clothes is on my bed,
which is weird, he's a neat freak.
I'm still walking around going to the bathroom,
couldn't find it, but she ended up closing
his bathroom door, so I was like, okay.
His door, his bedroom door was closed. so I was like, okay, his door, his bedroom
door was closed. I'm like, okay, you know, but mind you, it's a regular day for me. I'm not thinking
of nothing crazy. So I couldn't find what I needed, so I just leave."
The interesting thing to note is that the reason Tammy gave for David not being there when DJ
dropped by was that he was out for a walk. Now, mind you, when DJ tried to call his dad to tell him
he was coming over to get his stuff, his dad just text back like,
Oh, I'm too sick. I can't even talk on the phone.
But he feels good enough for a walk.
Yeah, a brisk walk for a sick man, I might add.
Like it's around 50 degrees at this point.
OK, so let me get this straight.
Tammy's the last person to see David.
She's acting super strange towards DJ and Tasia
Mm-hmm, and then there are these blood stains on the bed check check check
What are police waiting for? I think they're waiting for David or I mean more likely at this point his remains to show up
But he hasn't so sometime around 4 p.m. On Wednesday, October 3rd
They take down the crime scene tape they pack up and leave David's apartment and it seems like whatever they found there,
again I still think they're waiting for David because whatever they found at the apartment
doesn't seem like enough to indicate what exactly happened or where he could be.
I mean like from what I know, it feels like we know what happened but-
It's like something bad for sure happened.
But they don't know what.
Someone was involved, David's not here. We need for sure happened. But they don't know what. Someone was involved.
David's not here.
We need a few more pieces of the puzzle to really act.
Exactly.
So they head out to the surrounding areas to search for any clues.
And that takes them over near an intersection by his place.
And it's less than like a mile away.
I'm not sure why they focus on this specific area.
I don't know if it was because Tammy said he went for a walk or what, but for whatever reason,
they're really focusing on a radius around his apartment
that's like a walkable distance.
But this whole time, nothing turns up for them that morning.
And that's because what they're actually looking for
was much further out.
You see, that afternoon, they get word about a bulletin
that was put out by the Ohio State Highway Patrol.
It was a notice to surrounding areas about remains
that they had found in a small town in Northern Ohio.
Apparently, the Ohio Department of Transportation,
or ODOT, was out mowing grass along I-75 Monday morning October 1st when
a worker noticed a sleeping bag in his way.
In the Unsolved Mysteries episode, they say that the guy went to move the bag and he realized
that it was really heavy, so there had to be something inside of it.
And at first he assumed it was an animal, but then his intrusive thoughts must have
kicked in because he started thinking something even worse.
What if this is a child in this bag?
And that thought made him immediately call the police.
And when officers arrived, they're the ones who opened the bag and discovered that it
was in fact human remains.
But it wasn't a child, it was just parts of an adult body, just the bottom torso and legs of a male.
So they immediately secured that scene, got cadaver dogs out to search the area looking
for the rest of this man. But that's all they were able to find. So those remains get
sent off for an autopsy. And during that, they found a unique tattoo on this man's
upper left leg. It was a pit bull with red eyes.
And that's what I'm pretty sure stood out to the detectives in Michigan when they saw
the bulletin because David's family had told them that he had the same tattoo on his upper
left leg.
Sam Shriver reported in the Lyman News that these remains were first discovered at 9.30
a.m. on Monday morning.
Again, this is October 1st. Now at that point, David's family didn't even know he was missing. So by the third,
when detectives in Michigan are investigating David's missing persons case, the tattoo on the
leg helps them identify the remains as 39 year old David Carter. So I know you said northern Ohio,
but where exactly was he found out? Are we talking right over the Michigan Ohio border?
No.
So Melvendale is about 45 minutes from the state line and where
David's legs and torso were found are an hour south of that into Ohio,
right outside of Finley, Ohio.
So it's not like somebody just like, you know, popped 15 minutes over the
line and like left them.
They took a trip there.
Now, it takes a little bit for police to get their ducks in a row, but by Friday, October 5th,
they have a person of interest in custody.
And who that person is will be no surprise to anyone.
It's Tammy.
She is arrested in connection to David's murder, but not charged.
They are still, they say, missing a crucial piece of evidence,
his upper body parts.
Because I think the problem is, like, his lower body
isn't telling them a thing about how he was murdered.
So they're hoping that they can find his other half
and help break through the mystery.
Or I think by arresting her,
they're hoping she will do a confession
or maybe lead them to the rest of his remains.
So are the bullet holes in his bed and wall not enough?
I don't know, man. I mean, this is where the process really breaks down.
Because it seems like it's the prosecutor's office who is saying,
like, I get that you have all like the pieces kind of, but like it's not enough to actually charge her.
So long story short, she ends up walking free. And then there's really no urgent pursuit of her.
She just kind of slips off the radar for the time being while their investigation continues.
Reporting from Fox2Detroit reports that on Monday, October 8th, they hold a vigil for David at McGinty Park,
which is where he often helped coach
the Melvendale Junior Football Club.
And while the community is mourning,
there is some more found on October 10th.
That's when investigators are back out along I-75,
processing the area where the sleeping bag was found.
They're further north from the initial
search area, and that's when detectives find a small black duffel bag with red straps.
And as they unzip the bag, they see some grocery bags inside, and when they pull those bags out,
there is a human head, David's head. And an autopsy shows that he has been shot in the head just below his left earlobe.
This matches exactly what the crime scene already told you.
Let's go get Tammy.
That's not what they do, though.
Not yet.
They want all of David first.
And they don't get that until October 16.
That's when the Ohio State Highway Patrol finds a small,
multi-colored suitcase, like a carry-on size, along I-75, about 20 miles north of where the
sleeping bag was found. Once again, detectives find themselves unzipping this bag, and inside,
they find a large comforter and wrapped inside our hands, arms, and an upper torso.
And with that, they finally have David's complete set of remains.
And with all of his remains found, the coroner is able to put together a bigger picture of
what exactly they think happened.
The first set of remains gave no indication on David's cause of death, but once they
run a toxicology report, they find anihistamines in his system.
And so that, paired with the gunshot wound to the head, makes the coroner believe that
he was maybe given some kind of sleeping aid to make him drowsy.
And then, he was likely shot either while he was sleeping or when he was not
alert enough to fight back because he has no other injuries or anything that even looks like
defensive wounds. Plus, they say that he had to have been shot at really close proximity.
In the Unsolved Mysteries episode, the coroner speculates that David must have had
almost direct contact with the gun. And they don't say why they think that,
but I'm assuming it's because of some kind of
like gunpowder residue or tattooing from the gun,
but that's just me speculating.
So was someone likely standing over him,
which would be like why they saw
where they believed to be the bullet hole in the mattress?
Because if that's the case,
like I'm not really sure how there's a hole in the mattress
and across the room, like on that closet door valid question
I don't have the answer to that because you're right like the angles aren't
Totally aligning for me the bed one can make sense like if he was laying on his side
Because again, it's like coming in what do they say by his ear ear lobe? Yeah, the closet one doesn't make any sense
I'm so I'm really not sure And it's possible the other one isn't related?
Even though, again, I have no idea. The hole in the mattress surrounded by blood is the
one that they think like actually like that's where he was when he died.
If he was shot while he was asleep or drowsy, there's no evidence of him fighting back,
no defensive wounds or anything. Why is his place trashed? Like if he's usually tidy, like, and has happened
not calmly, but not in any sort of disturbance,
I guess I don't get why his place was such a mess.
I don't know.
And I don't know that that's going to ever be explained
until there's a trial, or even if they have like a theory.
I know that DJ said he saw Tammy taking the trash out
on Sunday, so it's possible she made that mess.
I mean, he had to have been dismembered by someone.
Someone spent time in that apartment with him.
So it could have been that person.
And right now they're speculating that person is Tammy.
And it's important to note, like actually investigators
don't bring up the details about his apartment being messy.
Like, so I don't think it was like totally trash.
It just didn't look normal for David.
Like, Tasia is the only person bringing that up.
Right, because she would have this background on David
knowing that this isn't him versus the police
just being like, well, this is a crime scene regardless.
Yeah, so I mean, it's the thing that made her
like realize something was wrong,
but I don't know that it plays into any kind of theory
or if it's an important piece.
Are they able to determine what kind of gun was used to kill David?
No, and that's because they still can't find the murder weapon anywhere.
And again, I don't know if they found any casings or anything like that.
Someone could have taken those with them or if they found them, they're not releasing
it.
Now, it's worth noting that the coroner believes David's death was quick,
just a single gunshot wound to the head. But then he says that the dismemberment happened
all post-mortem. But here's the wild part. They believe David was dismembered not with
a saw, not with like any kind of surgical weapon, but with a kitchen knife. And the
coroner says if you're doing something like that with a kitchen knife. And the coroner says, if you're doing something like that
with a kitchen knife, it would take a long time for anyone to cut his body into as many pieces
as it was in with a single, again, kitchen knife. So someone spent time in his apartment with his
remains. And we already know who was in his apartment. Well, there's no question about it.
I mean, not for David's family.
Once the autopsy is finished and all of David's remains are counted for,
that's when his family holds a memorial on October 27th
in remembrance of all the light that he brought into this world.
And while mourning their loss,
I mean, there's this question kind of looming over them,
like, why hasn't Tammy been arrested yet?
To them, all signs are pointing to her being his killer.
So that memorial is on October 27th, but it isn't until almost two months later,
on December 20th, that the U.S. Marshals issue a felony arrest warrant for Tammy
for first- degree murder,
moving a dead body and tampering with evidence.
Once this warrant goes out,
David's family really gets their hopes up
that Tammy will be arrested quickly.
But what they don't know
and what they won't find out until January
is that Tammy actually fled Michigan back in October,
around the time she was first released.
Like she just ran.
Of course she did.
They pull her credit card statements
and find out that the last place she visited in Michigan
was Ann Arbor on Wednesday, October 17th.
She had dinner and drinks at a restaurant the night before
and then stayed at a hotel.
And on the morning of the 17th,
she took an Amtrak to Chicago
and then another depend a hotel. And on the morning of the 17th, she took an Amtrak to Chicago, and then another Depend Station in New York,
and then checked into another hotel and left on the 18th.
And mind you, they're able to track this
because the whole time she's using her real ID,
because she could, she wasn't even a wanted person
at that point.
Now, reporting by Click on Detroit says
that at the time of David's murder,
Tammy was working as a phlebotomist,
and she has prior experience working in the medical field. Detroit says that at the time of David's murder, Tammy was working as a phlebotomist,
and she has prior experience working in the medical field. But she also worked as a travel
agent and would travel to different countries, in addition to being well connected throughout
the U.S. Like she has relatives in Michigan, in New York, in Atlanta, we know she's been
to Chicago. And she's also a member of the Order of the Eastern Star,
which I for sure had to look up
because I had never heard it before.
And I guess it's just like coed fraternity.
It's kind of connected to the masons.
So detectives are worried that with all of these connections,
like people could be helping her
or even funding her time on the run. Specifically, the Order of the Eastern Star,
like they're kind of associated with money and power,
and she could be using that to her advantage.
But detectives don't actually have proof of that.
That's just like a theory.
And by now, even though she was using her name and
her cards in the early days,
they do think that she's using an alias.
Detectives can link her to at least one confirmed name,
LaToya Williams, and they did this because she had used
a credit card with the name LaToya on it in the Bronx
at a fish market sometime around October 2020.
And that means that there could be other aliases.
But she also still could be using names that are connected
to her real name.
Like, remember, her real last name is Williams and she used Latoya Williams.
So it's also a pretty common name, so it's not like that's going to stick out.
Now unfortunately, that fish market in the Bronx is pretty much their last Tammy sighting.
So with the pursuit going cold, investigators aim for a big media push to help them get word
out about Tammy.
In March of 2021, she's featured on America's
Most Wanted, and they tell the public that U.S. Marshals are elevating the investigation and
upping the reward to $10,000. Then by September that same year, detectives think they might have
something when Tammy's mother, Verdeen Day, who was a retired Detroit Firefighters Association treasurer, is accused of stealing over $200,000
from her union. And they allege when they arrest her that she spent this money on these big trips
and other expenses. Or she was giving it to her daughter who's on the run for murder.
Which is what I was initially thinking when I was going through my research, but I looked
into it and she had been embezzling money
like since 2015.
So all the way from 2015 to 2019,
she just wasn't charged until 2021.
And I guess they found receipts, bank statements
showing that all of the money really was spent on like
cruises and vacations, things like that.
Now, it doesn't mean that she wasn't helping
her daughter in some way, but all of her stuff
started way before Tammy went on the run.
So now that she's in the wind, David's family are still trying to wrap their minds around
how she could have done something this horrific.
I mean, they are shocked by how this thing unfolded.
So even knowing all of this about her mom, about like who could be helping her,
none of it leads detectives any closer to finding Tammy. But that's not the end of the line.
Because in 2022, Netflix unsolved mysteries features David's case.
Now that feature was huge for public attention. I mean, that's how I first learned about
David's case. But ultimately,
the episodes don't turn into anything useful in the search for Tammy. And so in September
2023, Tammy earns a spot on the 15 Most Wanted Fugitives list. And the reason she's most
wanted, like there's this fear that law enforcement has, they are really worried that she could be out there
with another man who has no idea how dangerous she is, what she's actually capable of.
Now I know we can't give these a ton of weight, but Brett, you tell me, you spired a little
bit when I first mentioned this case.
Can you tell me what you found?
Yeah, so it was on Reddit, so take that with as much salt as you want.
A lot of what I found was posted after the Unsolved Mysteries
episode aired in 2022.
And everyone on Reddit was talking about,
you know, they were sure that she'd be captured in like a week.
But those posts were from a year ago.
And she's, I mean, still on the run.
One thing that really stood out to me was that there were a few accounts that said they
swore they saw someone who looked exactly like Tammy in Paradise, California.
And in other parts of California too.
Of course, I want to add a huge disclaimer here.
This is Reddit.
These are anonymous accounts.
Anyone can say anything.
And claim to be anyone.
Exactly.
But what I found super interesting is that the research and the news articles kind of
makes it seem like, yeah, she could be anywhere, but she's probably in New York or on the
East Coast somewhere.
But there's the same possibility she could be anywhere.
Majorly in the world.
Anywhere else in the world.
Yeah.
And I know there's, again, Reddit, no way to fact check this.
Did any of them say that like, are they just posting this on Reddit or are they reporting
this to police as well?
Yeah.
So the people who claim they saw her also say, yeah, we submitted tips.
So who knows?
But a few other people on Reddit pointed out that she could probably just be someone with
like a face you know.
I mean, her large tattoo is her most striking feature.
And I'm sure she's probably covering that up
and changing her looks pretty frequently this day
as incognito as possible.
Yeah, and we'll give details on that at the end
so you guys at least know what to look for.
But I think this is a perfect time
to remind all crime junkies of our number one rule.
You never really know anyone ever.
Ever? Exactly.
Because David's family thought they knew Tammy.
She'd gone to high school with him.
She'd been around the community.
They were connected through a mutual friend.
I mean, come on, she wasn't a stranger by any means.
Right.
I also think it's a great lesson in trusting your gut.
I mean, the signs that Teja saw were early warning signs of domestic violence.
Now, I don't think anyone had any idea that Tammy would escalate
to murdering and dismembering David in cold blood.
Because you never really know anyone. Trust your gut.
Exactly.
So, Brett, can you share her description so people can keep an eye out for her?
Of course. This year, in 2024, she is 44 years old. She's 5'5 and around 190 pounds in 2018 when she went on the run.
So that could be different today.
She has black hair and brown eyes, but she did often wear wigs and even wore her natural hair many different ways.
So I would say maybe don't get too caught up on her hairstyle or color.
Now this tattoo, she has a large tattoo
of six roses on her left shoulder
and it's pretty identifiable if you ask me.
So she probably wanted to cover it up
and if she's had it covered professionally,
there might be a tattoo artist out there
who could help lead detectives to her.
Yeah, or if there's a doctor out there
who's removing a tattoo, absolutely.
The one other thing I want to call out is that she does have some smaller tattoos.
One on her right foot, she's got some on her back and thighs.
It's never specified exactly what they are.
Same thing though, she could have had those covered up, removed, whatever.
So if you have any tips or if you're harboring Tammy or helping her evade law enforcement,
not only are you endangering yourself, you're also endangering other families who might
not know anything about her violent past.
I mean the ease in which she murdered, dismembered, and then discarded David Carter is a testament
to just how dangerous she really is.
So if you believe that you've seen Tammy Williams recently, US Marshals have a 24-hour
tip line that you can call into at 1-877-WANTED-2, or you can send information to them using
the USMS Tips app.
There is a reward that has been increased to $25,000.
You can see her picture if you are listening to this in the Crime Junkie app or we're
going to post it on social media as well and on the blog post for this episode.
Do the right thing, help David's family find justice.
The time is now and Crime Junkies, I hope you've listened carefully.
We have a wide network, one that I am continuously amazed by.
I believe that if we stay vigilant, we will be the ones to help find Tammy and bring her to justice.
I believe in you guys.
And on the off chance that you're listening, Tammy, it's time to turn yourself in.
You can't keep running forever and it's time to face the consequences of your actions.
There is a young man who deserves closure and answers for the father he lost in such a pivotal point of his
life. And that's something that he'll have to live with forever.
You can find all the source material for this episode on our website crimejunkiepodcast.com.
And be sure to follow us on Instagram at CrimeJunkie Podcast.
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