Knowledge Fight - #920: February 4, 2008
Episode Date: April 22, 2024In this installment, Dan and Jordan dip back to the past to take in a semi-painless interview between Alex and one of his all-time heroes, Willie Nelson....
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Stop it Andy and can Andy and Kansas Pray Andy and Kansas Hey everybody! Welcome back to Knowledge Fight, I'm Dan. I'm Jordan. We're a couple dudes
like to sit around, worship at the altar of Selene, and talk a little bit about Alex Jones.
Oh, indeed we are, Dan.
Jordan. Dan!
Jordan.
I have a quick question for you, sir.
What's up?
What's your bright spot today?
My bright spot today, Jordan, is those golden graham treats
you made that you referenced on the last episode.
They were very good.
Very good. They were so good.
You know, at first, I thought they, obviously, s'mores.
Sure.
Yeah, the graham, you had the chocolate and the marshmallow.
Simple. I thought you were a little'mores. Sure. Yeah, the graham, you had the chocolate and the marshmallow. Simple.
I thought you were a little light on the chocolate at first,
but then as you went along, like,
nah, it's a good amount.
It's a good amount.
You know, you don't need to overdo it with the chocolate,
which is something that I kind of wanted at first.
Right.
You know?
So I actually learned a lesson from these treats.
There was an educational Rice Krispie treat.
Yeah. So thank you for that. You're very welcome. from these treats. There was an educational Rice Krispie treat.
So thank you for that.
You're very welcome.
Yeah, I think the problem with those actually is this,
when you put the right amount of chocolate on there,
it makes you wanna stop eating them.
But when you put too little and too many marshmallows,
you'll just go, well, I'll have another.
See, this maybe is another lesson.
I'll have another.
There are even deeperer wisdom that are
Revealed through this trick. So it's your bright spot. My bright spot is my dogs peed on my bed. Okay
Congratulations. Yeah, it was great. They've been having territorial shit going on for a while now
It's very annoying surprising this happened after you get rid of the other dogs. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I don't know what's going on
I really don't it just out of the blue. They've been peeing everywhere But anyways, we got a new mattress out of it. other dogs. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I don't know what's going on. I really don't. It's just out of the blue. They've been peeing everywhere. But anyways, we got a new mattress
out of it. Oh, fun. Yeah! It's good. Yeah. What's, uh, anything, uh, anything distinctive
about it? Nope. No idea. Other than no pee on it? Nope. Nope. She went and got it. That
was the whole fix. I didn't have any input on it. Is it, is it, uh, one with springs?
Is it memory foam?
No, it's a memory foam.
I do know that it's a memory foam.
All right.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
She knows I have a terrible back, so.
It is always nice to get a new mattress,
although usually very expensive.
Yeah.
And I guess maybe they're not if you go to one of the stores
that's going out of business.
Aren't they always?
I feel like that's-
Haven't they always been going out of business?
That's the big joke.
Isn't it?
Yeah.
I've heard a lot of comedians make this joke.
Didn't Bill Burbank that joke 20 years ago?
Probably.
Um, yeah, I don't know.
Investment though.
That's a house investment.
You know, that's a that's an adult thing.
Always get a deal man.
You got a guy 3% off.
Nice.
Unreal.
Unreal mattress out here for 400 bucks. We got a fire sale on this mattress
We got to move it got to get it out of here
I love I know we live in a world where like I don't know inflation there's something's crazy, but it's like 400 bucks is a lot
How much you pay for that headband that you started rocking again? She got me that for about 28 cents my man
That's another thing people should know headband is back headbands back Jordan was a headband guy for a while tied
I have here now. You're a hippie. Yeah, actually that's kind of appropriate for today's episode in a way
You'll discover when we get to it. I'm enjoying today. We have an interesting little diversion
Yeah to go down and I'll explain why in a moment first. Let's say hello to some new walls
That's a great idea. So first and let's say hello to some new wonks.
Ooh, that's a great idea.
So first, Norm Pattis was my neighbor growing up.
He's terrible in real life too.
Thank you so much.
You're an owl policy wonk.
I'm a policy wonk.
Thank you very much.
Thank you.
Next, happy birthday to Felix from Sparks, a very dear dear who's completely worm free.
Thank you so much.
You're an owl policy wonk.
I'm a policy wonk.
Thank you very much.
And I'm not a wonk.
I've just never been tested.
I like to think that if I were, I would pass. Look at the tested and think before the grays go. I might be a wonk. Thank you very much, and I'm not a wonk. I've just never been tested I like to think that if I would I would pass look at the tested and think there for the grace go
I might be a wonk. I'm afraid to what am I?
Had to say you're now policy wonk. I'm a policy wonk. Thank you very much person that I get is that person's a policy wonk
Well done
Can't can't give me a boss tone lyric without figuring it out pretty quick
Even if it is from the hit.
I didn't get it.
That Dickie Barrett regretted having to sing on the live from the Middle East album.
We'll be there soon.
We got a couple technocrats in the mix, George.
So thank you so much to The Doctor Gave Me Ketamine One Time and I Think I Saw What Alex
Sees When He's Sleeping.
Thank you so much, your now technocrat.
And Sauron didn't lose possession of the ring for 1800 years after he made it, not shortly after as Jordan argued on episode 309 when Alex was comparing himself to Sauron didn't lose possession of the ring for 1800 years after he made it, not shortly after, as Jordan argued on episode 309, when Alex was comparing himself to Sauron.
It's important to me that Jordan knows this. Thank you so much, you are now a technocrat.
I'm a policy wonk.
Four stars. Go home to your mother and tell her you're brilliant.
Someone, someone, sodomite sent me a bucket of poop.
Daddy shark! Bomp, bomp, bomp, bomp, bomp.
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ago. 1800? Definitely. So whenever you're doing a thing where you're like, the events
of a story happen and then you go 1800 years later and then you continue the story, that's
shortly after. Okay. You could have said five days later. You could have said 10 million
years later. The amount of time does not exist not exist calls into question your sci-fi fantasy
credibility what do you even read dune I don't know if I finished it it was it's
awful no one has ever really finished it emotionally no it's finished with it
apparently so look Jordan here's the situation yes I it came to my attention
that Joe Rogan had an episode for
Carlson he's what yeah Tucker Carlson was on and it is a mess and maybe I got
sucked in to that and I can't decide whether or not I want to cover it okay
or not but so we're not covering it today no we're not oh thank God we're
not I don't have time to prepare it and I don't, they do talk quite a bit about Alex.
Sure, I imagine.
And so it does seem like maybe this is something
that is worth talking about,
even though it is Tucker and Joe Rogan,
who are not Alex.
Right.
But yeah, it's definitely something
that's in the relevant sphere.
But I did not know if I wanted to cover it,
and I didn't have time anyway.
So today we have something that I stumbled across
in my journeys preparing the live episodes,
and I didn't want it to get lost to the sands of time
because we'd never get back to it.
And that is a big guest that Alex had on an episode.
And it's just mass excitement.
It's a-
Amazing.
This is something that must be experienced.
Oh God.
The people must hear.
Who could it be?
I don't know.
Well, I do know.
Oh wow, no.
But you don't know.
I don't know.
So when we start, this is from February 4th, 2008.
Okay.
Is this episode.
All right, all right.
And when Alex begins the show, he's teasing
that he's got this very big guest coming up.
It's Obama, isn't it?
I mean, who knows?
Trump shows up, then Obama could show up, who knows?
Yeah, anybody.
Anybody.
I mean, back at this point, I think the only politician
is Ron Paul was gonna be around.
Obama's probably not gonna make it to influence.
No, just to center him.
But I like the swing.
Welcome, ladies and gentlemen.
Welcome.
It is the fourth day of February 2008.
We're going to be live for the next three hours.
We are probably going to have a surprise guest.
I mean it's confirmed, but the individual is rolling down the road, on the road, and
is going to be doing the interview via cell phone.
So that can always
be tricky. But we do have a big guest coming on the transmission today. I'm just going
to leave it at that. I always like to have surprises for the audience, for the listeners.
And so it looks like today will be quite a day if not today tomorrow.
I thought it was confirmed. And the individual will be on for a full hour, by the way, full hour where there's talk about quite a few very important issues and topics.
So that is coming up later in this broadcast today.
I'll just leave it at that. I know people like surprises,
and there will probably be quite a surprise today
for you here on air.
Quite a surprise.
Quite a surprise, huh?
This is big.
Who do you think this is?
You have to guess.
Okay, so we're in February 2008.
Yep.
All right, what was I doing in February 2008?
That's a good question.
I graduated high school in 2005.
So I had dropped out of four colleges by 2008.
You were about 21-ish then?
Oh no, that's the problem.
That's why I don't remember 2008.
Booze?
No, no, no, no, that was the three years that I lost.
So between 20 and 23 are gone.
So this might be you.
So I genuinely, it could be me.
I would absolutely have no idea.
The guest could be future Alex Jones podcaster Jordan Holmes.
If you knew me between the ages of 20 and 23, I do not remember any of that.
So good luck.
Well, I will tell you, it is not you.
Good.
We can check you off the list.
Wonderful.
You didn't get any kind of a sense of who it might be and somebody with with
opinions
Opinions, I'm not my first instinct is Jesse venture, of course. No, but my next instinct
For some reason is to just I mean not some reason it's because of the Minnesota thing, right? I'm thinking Michelle Bachman. Hmm, you know
That would have been right around the time,
right, 2008?
Maybe.
Minnesota?
No.
She's nuts?
Well, I'll tell you, it's not.
It's not Michelle Bachman.
I don't think I would do an episode about Michelle Bachman
coming on.
I don't think so either.
I'm not a great guesser.
How many guesses are there?
This is a star.
This is a star?
Yes.
Okay, like a movie star.
It's someone who's been famous for decades.
Charlton Heston.
No. Okay, the other. Charlton Heston. No. Okay, the
other. Charlton Heston I think was, Alex did interview him. He did. But I think it was
before 2008. Right. I think it was quite a bit before. Okay. Is it John Leguizamo? It
is not the pest. God I would love it if Johnny Legg showed up. It is not him. Why are you
thinking about John Leguizamo? Because! Did you watch Super Mario Brothers?
No, but I wish I had. Great movie.
So in this next clip we'll find out who the guest is. This is your last chance.
Okay, I'm out of guesses.
Okay.
Well, I've done a lot of interviews with a lot of amazing people.
But I have to tell you, this is the most excited I've ever been.
To have a guest on, he put us through the full hour. He's in Tucson, Arizona. He just
played the Super Bowl pregame last night. He is a global icon, an American institution.
There's probably nothing more. Americana. In fact, they've had polls overseas of Europeans,
Asians, others, and they say, it's not the boss. Who's Americana? What symbolizes America and Texas?
Who do you think it is?
It is, wait, that symbolizes Texas?
And Americana. They've done polls in Europe.
Well, now I don't know.
You just completely flummoxed by this.
Yes.
And it's Willie Nelson.
Oh, okay. That makes sense.
Yeah.
Well, yeah. I mean, I was thinking, like, but here's why I didn't think it was Willie Nelson. Oh, okay that makes sense. Yep Well, yeah, I mean I was thinking like but I but here's why I didn't think it was Willie Nelson
Why because I didn't but I mean
Here's why
Because I just kind of didn't think that Willie Nelson and Alex would get along
Alex thinks he would get along with Willie Nelson
Alex believes that Willie Nelson would love Alex. But this might be what you think.
Right. Okay.
You might be wrong.
I might be wrong. I might be wrong.
Here's the reason why I wouldn't have necessarily immediately thought Willie Nelson.
I would have thought that Alex would have interviewed Willie Nelson before 2008.
Yeah, that's kind of, yeah.
I would have figured that they would have crossed paths in some form and been buddies
because Alex's brand during those Bush years was you know he appeared to be a guy who was
opposed to the right wing and you know someone with Willie's politics certainly
you could I could see them being buddies and he would probably hide enough of his
actual horror beliefs around Willie to kind of be liked mm-hmm yeah that's true
because he's a narcissist big star yeah and was liked. Yeah, that's true. Because he's a narcissist. Big star.
Yep.
And was in the Highwayman.
That's true.
Yes.
That's true.
But.
Did he ever interview Waylon Jennings?
No.
Damn.
And that does come up, actually.
I believe that.
Yeah.
Alex asks what might be a tacky question.
Is Waylon Jennings still alive?
Nope.
But he brings him in here and he talks about how stoic
Willie is and I will say that that's probably
because he's high a lot of the time.
But it's not just his music that I grew up listening to
and that I love.
It's not just the films he's been in,
it's the work he's done for humanity
and it's his incredible spirit.
I had a chance to briefly meet him a few months ago here in Austin, where he lives.
We're honored to have him hail from here.
And I was just struck, and I said that on air, by the down-to-earth and really just the
Obi-Wan Kenobi level zen-ness.
It's not an act.
He's an incredible person.
I'm not going to gush.
He doesn't like it.
Willie Nelson, thank you for spending time with myself in the audience
Flatter away, baby
Yeah, I'm Willie Nelson. What do I care? Yeah, I am like Obi-Wan Kenobi. Yeah, I is shit. Yeah, that's about right
Yeah, okay. This interview I think is really interesting because it does challenge some perceptions that you may have of Willie and then secondarily
it has
Such dynamics to it. Yeah of Willie being so right and so wrong. Yeah, and Alex being a fan
Sure, whatever believes he has some true joy
Which which I I can you know, it's always kind of like a breath of fresh air. Yeah, I like that
So here's where the first challenge to your perception of Willie may come in. Okay. He's a big
What's my perception of Willie you he's a big fan of it for yes. He listens to it for all the time
He may say some loves those to that. Okay, cool. I'm glad to be on your show
I'm a big fan and have been for years and I've watched your videos and
Listen to you on radio and I'm always checking in to see what you're doing and you're doing a great job
That's amazing. It humbles me. I better do a really good job of Willie Nelson's tuning in along with the Japanese Parliament every day
Willie
This is a quick segment to come back in a long 20-minute segment,
but I asked you before the interview,
I said, what do you wanna talk about?
And you said, whatever you wanna get into,
let's talk about some fun stuff first.
Tell me about what the band's doing,
your new song, Gravedigger, what's going on?
Well, we have this new album
that's called Moment of Forever,
and it's a song that Chris wrote, and it's probably the greatest love song I've ever heard.
I think Alex might have been a bit taken aback by that.
Yeah.
I'm a big fan.
Sure.
I've listened for years.
I mean, I imagine that he's probably tuned in.
He's probably seen some of those videos.
Yeah.
He's probably enjoyed plenty of stuff.
No, he does reference some of Alex's work. So I mean, this is not just sort of like a
totally stray compliment.
No, and there's plenty of times you're on the road as a musician and you find out that
guys just listen to weird shit on the road together.
Sure.
Yeah, that happens.
I mean, I imagine a lot of people probably were constant coast to coast AM listeners to the road yeah cuz they're
on the road all the goddamn time yeah so yeah I think there's something very
sensible about this to be like you have just blown my mind yeah that you're a
fan of me yeah let's go light just tell. Just tell me about your music. Let's start light.
Yeah.
Let's hear, and this solves a mystery
that I've had for a long time.
Who writes Willie Nelson songs?
No.
Oh.
Alex loves this song Gravedigger.
It's a lesser Willie Nelson song,
but he plays it as a bumper constantly
over years of time.
Right.
And I know it really well from listening to Alex's show.
Right.
And I never knew exactly why, but I think it's because it was the hit at the time when
Willie came on Alex's show.
That is truly an amazing, because that makes sense.
Yeah.
And it's sort of a very rational, sentimental kind of attachment that you have to the song.
And I've never heard it in any other context.
Ever.
There's plenty of Willie Nelson songs that are in the world where it's like, I'm not
trying to listen to a Willie Nelson song, but I will encounter one from time to time.
Beer for my horses.
Never Gravedigger.
Never.
Not once have I not...
You have to go out of your way. I do think it only exists in my life. Never Gravedigger. Never. Not once have I not. You have to like
go out of your way. I do think it only exists in my life because of Infowars. I agree. And
it makes sense that it was the hit at this time. So they talk a little bit more about
just some of the projects that Willie's got going on. Yeah, what's going on? And then
we did another video that's coming out in a couple of months. We did it down at my ranch there in Texas out there.
And there's a video with me and Jessica Simpson and Owen Wilson and Woody Harrelson and all
the Wilson boys and Ray Price and Johnny Bush.
And we just had a big crowd down there in town and we had a lawnmower race.
I wish you'd have been there.
You'd have had a lot of fun. I actually heard about it from Turk Bibkin and other people.
Yeah. But anyway that's what we're into and we're out here doing a couple of songs off the album every night.
You've got quite a few websites. What are some of the sites people can visit to see your latest info?
Well there's willynelson.com and my daughter does a column every day to tell everybody
what we're into out here.
And there's the willynelsonpri.com which is a website set up.
I did it originally to try to organize all the peace organizations in
the world and we did a pretty good job of doing that I think because there's a whole
lot of networking going on there about people talking about peace. And then I wrote this
song with my daughter Amy called Peaceful Solution and I put the song on the website
and told people they could you know
Record it rewrite it or saying it and put their band behind it. I just gave them a song basically and
So far over a hundred people have recorded that song and videoed it at the University of Texas did two videos on it
Amazingly go ahead, Willie.
I'm just saying, you know, I'm just fooling around.
Well, it's fantastic. All of it. It seems like your music just gets better and better.
You are a driven individual, and that's why I want to ask you when we get back, what drives Willie Nelson?
What does Willie Nelson think is most important in this world?
What drives you as a human? I think this is just like, I mean, at this point,
it's kind of a, there's not much of a vibe between them.
There's not much chemistry at all,
but it's just a normal ass interview.
Talking about like, yeah, I made this website,
I wanted to get all the peace organizations
of the world together, good for you.
Yeah, yeah.
Made a song called Peaceful Solution and wanted everybody to record a version of it, good for you yeah yeah it's all called peaceful solution and
wanted everybody to record a version of it good for you it's great it's got a
very promotional interview it's like a professional interview like oh yeah
except with the weirdness of we had a lawnmower race wish you could have been
there oh I heard about it from Turk Pipkin I don't believe you can have that
name I believe it's against the law because that is a cartoon character's name
I can't take anything serious from Turk Pipkin
Well, you told Alex about the the lawnmower race that sounds like something Turk would say
Classic Turk Pipkin. Turk just running up out of nowhere. Did you hear there's a lawnmower race going on? God damn it Turk
Alex you missed the lawnmower race
There's something really fun about that moment though because there there is like, I feel like there's an Alex
trying to be like, I'm closer to your world
than you realize, Willy, kind of thing.
You know, there's a, I knew about that lawnmower race
before you said it.
Turd Bicke told me.
Of course.
Is that an imaginary friend?
No, that's a real person.
Prove to me that's a real person.
No, he's like a comedian me. That's a real no. He's a he's like a comedian and okay
He's a he's a he's a real person okay, all right
I'll believe you sure pending a time traveler from 2008 telling me otherwise so now Alex comes back
And he wants to know about what drives Willie where does this where does it come from and like honestly?
We have the makings of like a pretty good interesting interview
Oh that guy because Willie talks about like his early days and like getting started and you know, that's that's good stuff
You're gonna pull I mean about your life growing up
What made you the way you are?
why you've always stood up for the little guy the farmers and people in Africa and
Just so many others. Why why why did you go in that direction in your life?
Well, you know, I don't really know, except the fact that I grew up in a town in Abbott,
Texas. It was a little small community farm town and I knew everybody in town. Everybody knew me
at three or four churches there, four churches. So in one way or another you went to church every day and every night of your life.
And I learned, if I learned anything, I learned that all those places, you know, sometimes
the Baptist wouldn't talk to the Methodists or the Church of Christ wouldn't talk to the
Catholics.
But they were all trying to do the same thing and they were just divisions,
even in that small town. But the one thing that I did learn out of it was the golden
rule you do unto others as you would have them do unto you. And that's maybe that and
amazing grace I pulled out of Habit Texas and I think those two things alone have been
really good for me.
When did you start your first band?
I was about 10, let's see, before I got out of high school I started a band with me and my sister and my brother-in-law and my football coach.
Wait, what?
He played drum ball.
What? And we had a little family band. We played all over Texas.
We played in Waco and West and, you know, places that we could drive to with a trailer.
Didn't you start out in radio by 16 or 17?
You already had your own show?
Yeah, I was with KHBR in Hillsboro and we got our own radio show there every Saturday.
And then after that I went to the Air Force and then went down to Pleasanton, Texas and
went to work with K.O.B. Pleasanton down there and then I worked several other radio stations
and at the same time playing bars around trying to make it.
It's amazing.
Well, you certainly did make it a long career.
You've been out, what, on the road
and playing since, what, 54, 55 earlier?
Yeah, at least that, too.
Woo.
I mean, it's not Chris Farley, but it's not that far off.
No.
That's what I'm saying.
But it's, it's...
You remember when you were a musician?
You remember that? But also, it's interesting stuff. No, totally. But it's- You remember when you were a musician? You remember that?
But also it's interesting stuff.
No, totally.
When he's talking about interesting stuff that I could listen to him talk about.
Totally.
Because he actually says he started in like 49 or something.
No, I'm so interested.
So like going back to that, like radio is such a different thing than it was then.
What was that like?
You're talking about starting a band with your siblings
and then your gym coach.
As football coach, yeah, I mean, what's going on?
Who plays trombone?
What's going on?
Right.
Yeah, no, I was so interested in that.
And if I was talking to Willie Nelson, I'd be like,
stop, don't give a shit about the rest.
Let's go into this.
Tell me more about the family band
when you were nine years old or whatever.
Was the trombone the only brass?
Could he play any?
Were there other, like what other instruments were there?
Obviously, guitar.
Why did he take up the trombone and football?
How does that happen?
It's fascinating, but yeah,
there is that Chris Barney-ish thing.
It's like, well, you certainly did make it.
What?
Thanks, buddy.
Thanks for telling Willy God damn Nelson in 2008.
Willy Nelson is still more famous now.
Yeah.
I mean, if he started in like 49,
this is 60 years into his career.
Yeah, you made it, kid.
So.
He did all right for himself.
There we have this sort of light territory. And then we shift gears into
a little bit more heavy subject matter, like the war, right?
Well, the war, I mean, you've been speaking out against it from the very
start. And if you did that at the beginning, the media, the corporate
media tried to punish people, they punish the Dixie chicks, but they
kind of shied away from attacking you too much
They tried to make an example out of them, but I remember hearing you on the radio
Just saying hey, you know I don't care. You know what they do or I don't want to paraphrase. What did you do at the time?
Well
First of all it all happened theixie Chicks was overseas when they said what
they said that seemed to have upset everybody.
I was overseas too at a press conference and I guess they had it in for the Dixie Chicks
more than they did me, I don't know, because they had every reason in the world to get on me also.
They're afraid of you.
They knew it wouldn't fly.
Well, I don't know.
But they said, you know, what about this crazy cowboy from Texas you got running?
You can't say first of all, he's not a cowboy.
Second of all, he ain't from Texas.
So, you know, let's start there.
And I mean, I make the point that they backed off from you because I don't think that they
could chew up Willie Nelson.
I think they tried to pick on the Dixie Chicks, but it seemed that that backfired on them.
So there's a seeming unexamined element of like institutional sexism that has to do with
why the Dixie Chicks got screwed over and Willie Nelson maybe didn't.
Alex's version of this is they were afraid of you, which is I guess a way to articulate
this without having to deal, like unpack some of the issues around it.
Yeah, I mean it is strange.
It is strange because there is like a certain element of you have to not look at the very obvious sun
star shining directly in front of you of like, oh the world hates women, that's why.
And then if you, but even if you take it down his track, it is still like, okay, fine.
Because women in this time period are a far easier target because everyone's going to
join you in fighting them.
Whereas if you pick on Willie Nelson, some people who might otherwise be more than happy
to hate on women will be like, not Willie Nelson, which once again brings you right
back to the star shining in the sky.
And Willie at least, I mean, he seems very empathetic about, you know, about, but there's
no examination of the, that sort of a dynamic, which is... It's 2008. Yeah, but you know, but there's no examination of the that sort of a
dynamic which is 2008 yeah but you know hey look for whatever you know that put
aside Willie's real opposed to the war and that's great good good yep good worry
wait now 9-eleven comes up oh god damn it yeah and he has some thoughts okay
what's your take on 9-eleven do you question the official story I certainly Oh, god damn it. Yeah. And he had some thoughts. Okay.
What's your take on 9-11?
Do you question the official story?
I certainly do.
And I saw those towers fall and I've seen an implosion in Las Vegas.
There was too much similarities between the two.
And I saw the building fall that didn't get hit by nothing.
So, you know, how naive are we?
What do they think we will go for?
So are you saying you started having questions or that little voice in your head? I mean, did you
have a bad feeling the day it happened? Is that what you're saying? The day it happened. I saw one
fall and it was just so symmetrical. I said, wait a minute, I just saw that last week at the, you know,
a casino over in Las Vegas. And you see these implosions all the time and the next one fell
I said hell there's another one and they're trying to tell me that an airplane did it and that's you know
I can't go along with that. Oh boy. So yeah, Alex is Alex is like
I don't know
I don't know how you would be processing this first of all this guy says he's a huge fan. Someone you've idolized since your childhood.
And then he comes in and he's like,
9-11 is bullshit.
You're being given something that is overwhelmingly
more than you could have possibly imagined.
Yeah, I mean, at a certain point you just go like,
oh, should we hug?
And honestly, Willie Nelson should not in 2008 believe that,
he should believe that 9-11 is an inside job in 2008.
He's Willie Nelson.
What's Willie Nelson going to believe?
It's not the most surprising thing.
Right.
I guess hearing it so easily and loosely bandied about
is a little bit surprising,
considering the level of celebrity he has.
Right.
And the way that a lot of people have much more sort of
intentional media presentations totally this is not something that a publicist
would want you doing necessarily now and it did cause a bit of a stir like there
there were you know articles about Willie Nelson is a 9-11 truther because he was on Alex's show.
So quaint.
2008 is so wildly like, oh you guys thought that was a big deal.
Crazy.
Well, it is a big deal for Alex especially.
It is.
That's cool.
And so they're talking and you get a real sense that like Willie is into a fair amount
of things that Yeah that Alex
Is about right and a lot of it is
Stuff that can be approached from a left-wing angle things like they're being
Like a monopoly on power in corporations and and things like that things that have a left critique to them are
the and things like that. Things that have a left critique to them are the overlaps
that you see. Where Alex lives, yeah, in this time period. And one thing
that I thought was kind of surprising is that he's got some thoughts about
the Bilderberg group. Okay, we send the Democrats to Congress to end the war,
they increase it, and now they're saying they're gonna be there a hundred years,
Hillary and McCain. I mean that to me, that is a small group running things right there in front of us.
Absolutely. And as far as I can see, all those people attended the same meetings that you
and the guys attended up in Canada. Am I wrong?
Oh, no. A lot of them do go to the Bilderberg group. Yes, sir.
Yes.
Is that freedom?
I don't think so. It's not democracy either.
Willie Nelson, you're blowing me away here. When we get back, I want to talk about solutions, your ideas, because the people are awake to a certain extent.
I just don't think that they have the specifics of what to do. I want to tell them about some of your organizations and groups and I agree with taking our everyday life into our own hands like you've done with
the biodiesel that's a separate thing from what they're doing with the corn and other
things and I want to be sure and separate that out and explain that to people and what
you've tried to do and all the money you put into trying to get us into renewable resources
and things that are actually you know will allow us to not continue to destroy the earth.
We'll be right back. Oh in fact we to not continue to destroy the earth. We'll
be right back. Oh, in fact, we're not going to go to break. I forgot. I told him to skip
that break. I'm so used to going to break at the 20 ampere and I told John to skip that
so we've got more time here. I'm a little bit dumbstruck here talking to you, Willie.
Solutions. I mean, you...
This is real.
Man. solutions. I mean you this is real man. This is a real
Thing that's happening to this guy. This this guy he've you've idolized him your whole life. He's coming in He's bringing up the Bilderberg group Alex is like thrown and understandably so yeah, it's human
you know I that is that is so crazy, you know, I like I
Yeah That is so crazy. You know, like, yeah.
It does make sense.
I think it's part of what bothers me
is Alex is so terrible.
Like, if you're meeting him in real life,
you know, Alex and Willie Nelson,
it makes sense for Alex to be like, ugh, right?
If you're meeting him on the show,
you know, shouldn't you have a little bit
of that extra show power behind you? And then you have a the show, you know, shouldn't you have a little bit of that extra show power behind you?
And then you then you have a scene partner, you know, like, oh, you're into 9-11 truth or me fucking too, bro.
Let's ride. You know, yeah.
But he's like, oh, I think you're just not prepared for share like your hero or someone you really admire to be like, yeah, I like you a bunch and not
only that, here's a reference to the big villains that you like, it would throw you for a bit
of a loop.
It would be where you forget that you already had agreed to skip a break.
Yeah, but you know, that's I think that's the thing that gets me.
That's the thing that gets me in terms of why he and I can never ever see eye to eye
on that is he's taken
a back, he's like on the back foot, oh my God, my hero is doing all this stuff. And
what does he decide to do? He decides to talk more.
Yeah. Well, because, but that talking more was him acting like he had to go out to break.
Right, right, right.
So that makes some sense.
You're filibustering a little bit
because you gotta get to the break
and then the break you'd already meant to skip it.
Yeah, exactly.
That makes some sense.
Sure, sure, he's just choking.
He's choking.
But there's another part of that too
that is like, holy shit,
I just got Willie Nelson on my show
saying 9-11 was probably some sort of inside job.
What else do we need from this interview?
This interview's goal has been achieved.
Right, right.
But now you're fucking taking it across the end zone, running into the hallway.
How much deeper do you think it's going to get?
Run out of the stadium and head right towards ground.
Well, I guess a little bit does end up, you know, you run a little bit further.
Fair.
I do believe that it's a long time till election day and some sort of national crisis could
put off the elections and we could have George in there 10 years longer.
A lot of people are saying that.
I was saying that many years ago and now Bob Woodward's talked about how they're setting
up for martial law. Of all people, Naomi Wolf is talking about it.
I think that might save us.
I'm seeing a lot at the end of the tunnel, but I think you're right.
I think that's a great danger.
If that did happen, a nuke went off, a biological weapon was released,
or terrorists supposedly blew up a bunch of other buildings.
What do you think the response of the population should be if they announce we're under this
new emergency or it could be an economic emergency and Bush is going to have to stay on to save
us?
Well, I would hope that we'd be smarter than that and I would hope that we say, no, you
know, we're throwing all you guys out and we're starting over. You know, you can stop the elections if you want to, but you can't stop the people.
Well, Ron Paul has gotten more donations from troops and people in Iraq
than all Republicans combined.
The troops in polls, 75% are against the war.
So, Bush is planning on using these troops
here.
It looks like he's going to have a problem.
Well, again, the troops are under orders, and if they don't do what the orders are,
then they get shot.
So the troops have no choice.
The troops are robots.
Is that how the troops work?
Yes.
Do we have to...
I don't approve of that process.
Well, that's... thankfully, they all support Ron Paul. So everything will be fine
So yeah, I guess there is a preoccupation with Bush staying in power
Yeah, I don't even think that that was like I think that was a bit of a fringy kind of idea
Yeah, but I don't think it was like mega
In the same way that, you know, Alex saying
that Obama is going to stay in office in 2015, that's wild fringe stuff. The fear about
Bush, you know, given the 2000 election and given the Iraq war, I think people had a little
bit more of that. But it's still weird to hear Willie on that tip.
Yeah, I think here's, and my perception of the time being,
of course, is messed up by being alive during it,
but I believe, if I recall correctly,
it was less like, oh, Bush is gonna stay in office,
and more like, what the fuck is Cheney gonna do?
You know, like it was it was less about and Karl Rove
It was less about Bush himself as like though. He was just like part of the conspiracy
You know, he was the guy who was there and then when he's gone, it was gonna be a different guy
You know and it but Cheney would be like in the wheelchair more
The guy with the machinations exactly the plans. Yeah
Yeah, and so at least that was that was my perception because of the jokes with the machinations of the plans and such.
Or at least that was my perception because of the jokes.
Yeah, the perception was more the team around Bush as opposed to Bush himself.
Yeah, he was the guy who says entrepreneur isn't a French word.
He was that guy.
Strategery, right?
That was a big one.
Yep, that was him.
But yeah, this is kind of like when you're're like, 9-11 is an inside job,
all right, gotcha.
Yeah.
Gotcha.
Sure.
You have like, they're gonna do something
to get rid of the election in 2008.
Sure.
All right, buddy.
It's all right.
We're going a little bit off track here.
And then things go really, really far off track, eventually.
But a fair amount of this interview is talking about biodiesel and
Willie's support of that which is great great just fine. Yeah, it's just
advocacy for biodiesel sure and and hemp too there's a bit of that but
Alex is noticing that
Some of the sites aren't working because there's so much traffic.
Everyone has heard that Willie Nelson is on Infowars and he's getting traffic bombed.
We have eight servers and this has not happened in about a year.
Some of the sites you can't even hardly get to right now.
I guess the word has spread on the internet that Willie Nelson is and we can take millions of visitors. So people are going crazy right now on the websites.
Willie, you have made quite a splash here. Well, that's good. You're burning the place
down. It's awesome. Getting into the war and then the solution, you know, trying to fix this politically.
Magically, Ron Paul's been getting half the votes the polls show he should get. Obama
was getting 15 more points or more than Hillary in New Hampshire. She magically won by almost
four points. That's like an 18 point swing. That's never happened before.
Ron Paul got screwed in New Hampshire. Ron Paul got screwed in New Hampshire.
Never forget. It's true It's just true Willie is fairly
Warm on Ron Paul sure which also makes some sense. Yeah, Texas boys stick together. I mean, I'm sure he was warm on
Ross Perot too, you know, I have no doubt
Yeah, anytime somebody is like I'm gonna fucking run. I willy Nelson's like yeah, come on now
Go for it.
Yeah, you're a disruptor to the political.
I just want you to take down the establishment, man.
Yeah.
So I do appreciate that we had that episode about the New
Hampshire thing, so we have some context for this.
It's nice.
Because otherwise, I don't know what to talk about.
Who cares if Rob Paul gets screwed?
I mean, this is exciting. For one, two reasons actually.
One, Alex is getting all this traffic.
Everyone's coming in. And it's not a conspiracy.
People aren't trying to silence them.
Nope.
It is just, there is massive interest in this as opposed to the man doesn't want you to know that Willie is talking to Alex about how 9-11 was fake.
Nope, this is all genuine.
Yeah. This is just everybody being a real person
Isn't it exciting that people are excited that you're on my show? Yeah, it's fun. Yeah, it is it is almost disorienting because this is
Built around a positive thing, you know like Alex's fandom
Yeah, but we're just everybody liking Willie Nelson and Willie Nelson not being a piece of shit
You know like he believes some weird stuff
But even if he wouldn't be like oh 9-elevens an inside job so we should do something about it
Be like ah the government's out of control
Like he has the same conclusions as Alex despite some agreement about some weird ideas
Yeah, yeah, and like I said a lot of it is advocacy about biodiesel.
Totally.
And things slow down a tiny bit when
we're getting into the biodiesel and when
we're getting into hemp.
A little wonky.
Yeah, maybe.
And it is a little bit more left to where Alex generally is.
And so they're talking about a hemp a bit.
Sure.
And we throw to the song about peace.
And if you got food, fuel, material, everything you need in one seed, and that's just too
much for them to compete with.
We're talking to Willie Nelson.
He's not just a country music legend or been in scores of films.
He's a humanitarian and has just done so much good work for humanity.
Do you want to play part of that song since you mentioned it?
We happen to have it, Peace on Earth.
Would you like us to play a few minutes of that, Willie?
Sure, go ahead.
John, you've got that, right?
We sent him so many songs yeah, it's it's there
I forgot to tell him that we might play that if you mentioned it here
It is we'll be back to Willie here in about two minutes
There's a filling time feeling why I don't, I think because you got what you need.
But now have fun.
What's more fun?
He just doesn't, like it's not, he doesn't play.
This is play time, right?
Shouldn't you be playing with Willie Nelson?
Maybe.
In a sandbox or something?
Like look at Willie Nelson, he's on my team now.
Let's go make a sandcastle. He seems so
Chill yeah in general true and not really all that like I can't imagine
Based on how he reacted it would seem strange to me if beforehand they had to make a deal where they would play this song
Yeah, so I don't think that there's like an obligation to play this nope
Because there's a go ahead. I don't think Willie's particularly proud of this song. No, he's thrilled about it
No, I'm sure he's thrilled about it, but it's not like this is his song. This is his artistic achievement. It's no gravedigger
Yeah, yeah, you know, I mean it's a good song that he wrote. My man wrote a song and it's about it's for good
Yeah, I did feel like that was that was kind of a strangeness to this like this is a very unnecessary song throw
And there are there are a couple moments that just feel like we're killing a little bit of time here
Yeah, which seems strange since Willie Nelson's one of the biggest stars that has ever been on this fucking show
I don't understand how this interview could go bad
Alex has certainly gotten one of the most important things, which is Willie's talking
about 9-11 being an inside job and stuff.
Sure.
And so he wants to touch back on that.
Yeah.
And this is a bit of a deflating moment.
Willie, I want to talk about courage.
And I know you get sick of people, you're thanking you and loving you, you're a very
humble man, that's where your strength flows from.
But the courage, or is it just instinctive?
It's in your spirits, you're just doing it.
I mean, the courage to come on this show, and I don't think you've ever talked about
9-11, I don't think you've ever talked about martial law, or maybe I missed it anywhere
else, and to say these things, I mean, you tell us in your heart why you're doing this,
and A, and then B, is this the first time you've said some of these things?
A and then B, is this the first time you've said some of these things? No, it's not the first time I've said it and it won't be the last time.
I'm just saying what I believe. I'm not that brave, I don't think.
Maybe I'm too dumb to be scared, but I just believe in saying what you really think.
And that's always been what I did and I know
Sometimes that doesn't go well with other people, but they'll have to get over it
Well, you were certainly a straight shooter there is absolutely
No doubt about that
There's no electricity here. I say this shit all the time. I'll say it to anybody else. Yeah mom
I'll say it to that lady. I'll say to the anybody else. Yeah mom. I'll say it to that lady
I'll say to the judge. I don't give a shit. Yeah, the Alex is like you're so brave. I'm getting the exclusive here
I'm getting the scoop and then he's answers. No you're not. Yep
Yep, I said such another great like unexamined thing of just like, you know
I can say whatever I want whenever I want and
people don't get too mad. Seems odd that if I was a woman or non-white person, that could
not be the same thing.
I might get a lot more blowback from that.
Could be strange how I can say whatever I want in this country.
So we get to towards the end of the interview. Yeah.
Because you know, the meat of this is really, is really, we got Bush might stay in power.
Yeah.
9-11 is an inside job.
And then of course, hemp and biodiesel.
Sure, sure, sure.
Ron Paul of the war.
But there's something that's very important that needs to be discussed.
Oh my God, what is it?
In about six minutes, the show's going to end, John, and I want you to go out in the last
30, 45 seconds with Willie from that High Women song, Silver Stallion.
Yes.
You know, talking to a music legend like yourself, obviously Johnny Cash affected me a lot.
So did Waylon Jennings.
What is it like having those two friends gone, Willie?
Oh, I miss them a lot.
You know, Waylon and I were, we fought like cats and dogs.
We fought like married people, you know.
But I loved him like a brother, and I know he did me too.
And John and I got really close during the Highwaymen tours.
And we did three of those.
And you don't travel around the world
and live that close without getting to know people
John and Leland and Chris and I we you know, we had a whole lot of fun together
When did you first meet John Akash?
He had already left Nashville when I went to Nashville and
Then I got a letter from him. He got my address from Chris or somebody and said he wanted me to
Write him a song Chris Kristofferson
so now he so I
Get it. I like I the highwaymen are great. Sure. You got to bring them up. Absolutely
But it's a very strange articulation of a question to be like I love Johnny Cash. I loved Waylon Jennings
What's it like to be friends with them and then be dead? Yep
Yeah
Be dead I'm gonna I'm going to say this and I know we've had a lot of evidence
But I think it's time to really put the nail in the coffin. I do not think Alex is a good interviewer
It's it's a very different type of interview than you normally see from him.
And it's very strange because there's your famous friends are dead.
What's that like?
There's an element of it that can be like, I think maybe what's behind the question is
something like it really affected me losing them.
They're passing. How
about you?
Let's share things together.
Right. There's a piece of it that feels like almost like an empathizing or something, but
it's a very, very strange thing to ask somebody. And Willy rolls with it fine, but...
It does feel like such that kind of pathology of like a a robotic narcissistic person
Trying to perform the act of empathy and it coming out your friends are dead. Are they are do you are you okay?
Yeah, I mean, what are you doing? Do you miss your dead friends? Do you miss your dead friends?
You'd like yeah now there's something that I can't quite put my finger on
Yeah, and that is that he brings up Johnny Cash and Wayland Jennings, but he does not bring up Chris Christopherson
Now Chris Christopherson is not dead, right? But don't you you don't know why he's also a bit more left Oh Chris Christopherson and Alex would not get along. No, so that's that I
Can't tell if that's why he doesn't bring him up or if it's because he's still alive
It could be it could be but also part of those those could be. It could be. But also part of those
could be the same thing because Chris Christofferson also famously hit a lot of people real hard.
So maybe you don't talk about Chris while he's still alive.
Johnny, Willie's talking about him sentimentally. Waylon Jennings and Johnny Cash can't kill
me. True. Chris Christofferson's still alive.
So I think if there's one thing I can take away from my time observing Alex, it's that
he really, really likes the Highwaymen.
Yeah, he really does.
It's a sincere enjoyment and fandom that he has.
Yep.
Well, I love all your music, but the Highwaymen, it's just all of its poetry.
I think there's some great songs.
Chip Smallman is a really great producer.
We've got a lot of those songs together, and we did too.
We just stood around and figured out what we wanted to sing.
And I thought that there were some good songs in there.
What's your favorite Highwayman song?
Oh, I like the song, I Was a Highwayman, you know, the Jimmy Webb song.
I like that one a lot.
In fact, change that.
Let's go out with I Was a Highwayman.
Yeah.
That's how I love that one.
Well, we're not going out yet, Willie, and I know you're really busy.
You've given us an hour on the show ends.
I'd like to talk to you just for a moment or two.
And that's a good song.
It's called just Highwaymen.
I'm more of a greatest hits guy.
I'm not really into the catalog.
Sorry, Alex.
I'm not really a fan of my own stuff.
Well, no, but hey, look, that said, that is a fucking great song.
It's a great song.
So like, if that is your answer, that is a fine answer,. It's a great song so like if that is your answer
That is a fine answer even though it is
You know maybe the greatest hits yeah, but I mean look I I should confess. I don't know
Tracks much deeper than the greatest why would I yeah?
I mean I'm not saying that they're not great
But it's like there's a lot of music to listen to and I can't always go back
And listen to all of the highwaymen to just be like I think I might have wanted him to say silver stallion
You think maybe yeah also a fair amount of their songs were covers. Yeah
But they're super some great yeah
They were there kind of doing there their let's get a lot of money
thing yeah nothing wrong with it no no no they were great at it so they talk a
little bit about you know if if shit goes down if things go bad then maybe
we'll all have to return to subsistence farming sure and because of this Willie
is very excited about urban gardening and hey tip my hat to that.
Yeah.
And then things fall off the fucking rails.
Okay.
And it's something we can do.
In fact all over Houston, New York and cities now people are using vacant lots and rooftops
to grow starting to grow their own vegetables.
And I think the way things are going, we all should be thinking
about how can we sustain ourselves if gasoline is too expensive or if there is no more
or if the roads get cut off.
There's the weather problems that we've had and from all indications,
those things are going to get worse.
Are you familiar with the Mayan calendar, by the way?
I am. And it's clear we're going to have to do a part two if you'll do it in the next six
months or so.
Yeah, I'd love to do that.
We could talk about all those things.
But it's obvious that the weather patterns are getting more severe.
Well, look at the tsunamis.
I mean, in the last seven years, they've had more global disasters with more numbers killed
than the last 30 years before it.
Two very important points.
One, Alex should not be into climate change type stuff.
Nope.
This is very strange to hear from him.
Second, Willie Nelson might be a 2012 Mayan apocalypse guy.
I love that.
I think that's great.
I think he's right on target.
Well, I mean, look.
I don't understand. try and get try and explain to me
How it can be 2008 and you think the world's gonna end in 2012 you smoke a lot of weed
But I mean like and you still you're just touring
I mean, it's just a theory
that maybe he buys into.
Maybe it's not gonna happen, who knows?
Sure.
But one thing that you can tell is Alex is
not interested in exploring that.
We'll do a part two.
Part two, we'll do a part two.
I'm gonna give you the topics in part two though,
and it will not be the Mayan calendar.
That's not one I wanna be associated with at all.
Nope, I believe a lot of weird shit,
but not the Mayan calendar.
I hang my hat on it.
Yep, to Alex's credit, I guess we could say,
that that's one thing that he did not
dance around with too much.
And it's so fucking funny.
You're Willie Nelson.
Are you familiar with the Mayan calendar?
Are you familiar with the bike?
But that's like, I mean, there's so many performers, you know, there's so many
musicians, all of that stuff. Like if people, people have a perception of what these people
might believe, but you know, we've met some plenty.
Yeah. People project a lot on public figures.
Yeah. And there's people who are like completely normal, everything like, yeah. And then all
of a sudden they'll say something like, oh, you're out of your mind.
I did not realize that.
Do you know about the underground dwelling?
I do.
I will see you after, you know what?
I'll see you tomorrow.
That'll be great.
We'll do the show tomorrow.
And this really highlights, I think,
a lot of the bizarreness of Willy,
and especially this interview,
is that like, you know, he's got a lot of clearly
Would appear to be good intention sure there's a number of things that he's into that are pretty cool
Yeah, like being opposed to the war urban gardening hemp
Bio diesel these things are all fine. Yeah, and then you've got 9-eleven
Conspiracism you've got maybe Mayan calendar belief. Yeah, you've got Bush is gonna cancel the election
It's a it's a he's a man of layers. There's there's both sides
I would say I would say here's the here's the problem for any of those and I think this is a good rule for everybody
If the person who is saying something, you know has a group of people them who say, oh, you're so smart all the time. Don't believe anything that that person says. You know, like just
as a rule, there are people who might say the exact same stuff, but around them are
people going, you're an idiot. And you can trust them more because they're fighting it.
Or I don't know, just don't trust Willie Nelson. Don't trust Willie Nelson. The guy who was
in The Highwayman, he's not a smart man or he's a super smart band. I don't care.
He's smart and he has some good ideas, but not everything is great. That's the feeling
that I kind of am left with. So we come to the end of the interview and here's how we
go out.
Willie Nelson, we're out of time. This has been the most amazing interview I have ever
done. I've interviewed so many great people and I just want to thank you for spending this amazing time with us sir. I feel like at a certain
level we're kindred spirits and I just I love you.
Alright well you too Alex, I admire what you're doing. You got a lot of guts and just keep
doing it buddy.
Well I guess we're all highwaymen in the end and we'll come back around fly that starship
across the universe divide.
All right, Willie, we're going to roll this song out and I'll talk to you in just one
moment and I'll let you go.
Please stay right there.
I'm Alex Jones.
We'll have a report on this at presentplanet.com.
Stay with us. I was a sailor, I was born upon the tide.
I mean that's like top ten moments of life kind of.
Yeah that really is.
You know?
That really is.
Getting to riff about the Highwaymen lyrics with Willie Nelson after telling him you love
him.
It's great.
I, I, here's what I find fascinating right I've always been like throughout my career
Always been like oh the you know my heroes never put too much in there here
They're gonna let you down that kind of thing it never occurred to me that I would meet my hero
Find out my hero is a fan right find out my hero really appreciates what I would do and then I would be disappointing
That never occurred to me I Find out my hero really appreciates what I would do and then I would be disappointing that
That never occurred to me. I
Feel like this would be like me interviewing Dickie Barrett before
Things fell apart a little bit. Yeah, and then riffing about someday I suppose or something like that, you know, like I would be like site referencing lyrics to over the moon
It's amazing. Yeah, it's amazing. I just I just want like I would want
Because this seal exists if I met my hero, and it still existed
I would want to come off way better than Alex does I do I do think there's a
It's not it's not the best handled interview. Sure. That's that's for sure
Sure, it's not it's not as bad as it could be though. No, no, I think I think that's that's kind of my place
Where I'm coming from it at though is like if I'm meeting my hero
Then my game has to be the most elevated it's ever been right
This is my moment that I'm gonna remember forever like Alex still can think about he's still playing gravedigger
You know, this is still there for him
I would not want a single iota of like I could have been better, you know that I could have been better would have just
Toxified the whole thing, you know and made it less than less than it should be. Well, maybe you maybe those insecurities are yours
Yeah, maybe I'm fucked up. Yeah, I should be. Well, maybe those insecurities are yours.
Yeah, maybe I'm fucked up and I need help.
Yeah.
Yeah, could be.
But yeah, I found this and I just thought,
this is strange.
I always, I mean, I knew that he'd interviewed
Willie Nelson before.
Yeah.
And never necessarily heard the, like this,
the first time.
Yeah. And I just thought it was, like this, the first time. Yeah.
And I thought it was mind blowing.
How there's just this duality of like, yeah, you like Willie,
but then at the same time, what are you talking about?
Then you have Alex with this,
how do you handle someone you admire so much
overwhelming you with like, you know what?
I don't know.
It's definitely on his back foot because of that.
And then, you know, there's just the moment of sincerity
of the like-
I love you.
I love you.
Well, I love the highway men too.
And like, the moment of sincerity being articulated
in such a way as your friends are dead, how is that?
It's so weird.
It is, it is.
Just a lot to take in.
Such a very specific man would do the things
that Alex did.
You know, like, and not even, like just the idea of like,
oh wow, my hero loves what I do.
Like, then I think I'll try and make him happy more.
You know, like I'll do stuff that he
likes, I guess, but Alex can't even do it.
But the thing that he thinks he likes is talking about his dead friend.
That's true.
About being dead.
That's fair. That's fair.
It's so weird.
It's weird, but it's also kind of on brand. It kind of feels like, yeah, this is about
how Alex would interview Willie
Nelson.
I relate to Alex.
He feels like Alex is a human being and I can finally see him as a human being and not
a sociopathic monster.
There's a little bit of that.
Yeah.
And there's, you know, whatever.
It is not enough.
It's not enough that we can bond over the highway, man. I'll tell you that right now. No, it is not. it is not enough. It's not enough. No we can bond over the highway, man
I'll tell you that right now. It is not enough
But yeah, so that's that's the the time that
Willie Nelson a good shotgun Willie came to the town can I find?
the present so strange if the context of our conversation today is
Cool person Willie Nelson was on Alex's show in 2008, right?
Shitty person Tucker Carlson is on Joe Rogan show in 2024. Mm-hmm like
That is not how things were supposed to go
No in terms of time if I was in 2008 and you asked me like,
oh, there are these two tracks. We've got news radio and we've got fucking, oh my God.
Yeah. Those two things that you bring up are very different.
Very different. Willie being on Infowars and Tucker being on
Rogan. Very, very different. Strange world we live in.
Bad, bad. Yep.
Not good. Oh well.
Yep. We'll be back with another episode.
But until then, we have a website.
Indeed we do.
It's knowledgeright.com.
Yep.
And we're not even, I mean we're not really on social media.
We're not really on any social media at all.
Let's give up this facade.
Yeah, let's stop pretending.
Oh well.
We'll be back.
But until then, I'm Neo.
I'm Leo.
I'm DZX Clark.
I am the Mysterious Professor.
Woo yeah woo yeah woo!
And now here comes the sex robots.
Andy in Kansas, you're on the air, thanks for holding.
Hello Alex, I'm a first time caller, I'm a huge fan, I love your work.
I love you.