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Episode Date: April 20, 2024In this episode of Quah (Q & A), Sal, Adam & Justin coach four Pump Heads via Zoom. Email live@mindpumpmedia.com if you want to be considered to ask your question on the show. Mind Pump Fit Tip: If ...you have a body part that seems to be lagging, don’t go heavier, go LIGHTER. (1:35) Connecting and disconnecting. (11:07) Understanding what is developmentally appropriate. (17:49) Owning up as a parent. (25:04) The favorite host results are in! (29:49) The best immune-boosting supplements for kids. (30:23) Eggs are NOT bad for you. (33:13) GLP-1 agonists’ impact on society and Adam. (35:56) Shout out to Mind Pump’s FREE 3-Day Trainer Seminar. (50:39) #ListenerLive question #1 - How can I increase my muscle mass and gain strength in that short time frame? (51:51) #ListenerLive question #2 - Should I or should I not do the trigger sessions if I’m doing MAPS Anabolic Advanced? (1:00:45) #ListenerLive question #3 - How do I choose which parts of a demanding program like Performance I include with my client? (1:04:04) #ListenerLive question #4 - My curiosity is training clients with implants and post-explant surgery. Are there certain exercises and sets and reps you would encourage, and any to avoid? Also, I am having breast explant surgery. Any suggestions on the best approach to ease back into training chest post-surgery? (1:16:01) Related Links/Products Mentioned Ask a question to Mind Pump, live! Email: live@mindpumpmedia.com Mind Pump’s Spring Apparel and Equipment Sale going on 4/19-4/22 - Visit here for more details. Visit Organifi for the exclusive offer for Mind Pump listeners! **Promo code MINDPUMP at checkout** Visit Caldera Lab for an exclusive offer for Mind Pump listeners! **Promo code MINDPUMP at checkout for 20% off your first order of their best products ** April Promotion: MAPS Anywhere | MAPS HIIT 50% off! ** Code APRIL50 at checkout ** What To Do About Lagging Body Parts - Mind Pump Media Eggs may be secret to high IQ in babies • Earth.com Eggs may not be bad for your heart after all | ScienceDaily 3 Day Mind Pump Personal Trainer Webinar Visit biOptimizers for an exclusive offer for Mind Pump listeners! **Promo code MINDPUMP10 at checkout for 10% off your order** Mind Pump #1565: Why Women Should Bulk Mind Pump Fitness Coaching Course Mind Pump #2280: Why Everyone Should Train Like An Athlete TRANSCEND your goals! Telehealth Provider • Physician Directed GET YOUR PERSONALIZED TREATMENT PLAN! Hormone Replacement Therapy, Cognitive Function, Sleep & Fatigue, Athletic Performance and MORE. Their online process and medical experts make it simple to find out what’s right for you. Mind Pump Podcast – YouTube Mind Pump Free Resources
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If you've been strength training for a while and you have a body part that
seems to be lagging, it's not developing as quickly as the other body parts, don't
go heavier, go lighter. It's probably developing as quickly as the other body parts. Don't go heavier,
go lighter. It's probably an issue with connecting to that particular muscle. In other words, if you're bench pressing a lot and your shoulders and triceps are building pretty quickly but your
chest is lagging, don't just add weight to the bar. Actually go lighter, slow down, and try to
feel your chest connect when you bench press so that you could get better results.
This is true for any body part that's lagging
if you've been training for a little while.
This is a good tip.
Yeah.
It's a good tip that I don't know
if the last time we talked about something like this,
that I think it's overlooked.
And when I think back to training clients,
maybe one of the top tips as far as like things
that help a client out that is struggling to feel it
in a particular muscle, the answer was not to push it harder
or add more load, it was to slow it down.
In fact, I would add to that tip, Sal,
I love a isometric hold at the both end range
of the exercise.
The stretch and the squeeze. Yeah, the stretch and the squeeze, right?
So in the chest, it would be in the deep stretch position,
isometric hold for two to three seconds.
And then when you contract and close and squeeze the chest
or finish the movement, then another isometric hold
for two or three, I think that with a lighter weight
is a much better strategy.
Enhance the recruitment process.
I mean, it's pretty logical when you think about that,
but like it's tempting to just try and add more weight.
And you think that as a result of adding load,
it's going to help to build everything, which, you know,
if you have a lagging body part,
to be able to take your time and focus on that a bit,
to get it to respond more aggressively,
you're going to have a lot better results.
I think the reason why Justin,
that's not common sense is because I think most people lack the
understanding of the role of the central nervous system and how much of this is a
neurological thing. And it's not just a movement thing.
Most people think like you do this exercise, it builds these muscles.
And if I, and you could be doing it and I'm doing the movement.
It's just math like, like, yeah.
Load plus reps.
Like that's going to.
But it really highlights, uh, how much a role the CNS plays in these
exercises and these movements.
I mean, how many times have you guys actually seen a client perform a movement
and to the naked eye, it looks fine.
That's a chest press.
You look like you're doing the exercise really good,
actually, it doesn't look bad at all,
but yet they go, I don't feel it in my chest,
I feel it all in my arms and my shoulders,
and that's a neurological issue.
You're not connecting to that muscle.
And it's not neurological in the sense that you're,
you have a neurological disconnect.
It's not a deficiency.
It's a movement pattern.
So you have muscles that work together, and they work together in a particular disconnect. It's not a deficiency. It's a movement pattern. So you have muscles that work together
and they work together in a particular way.
And for whatever reason, they organize themselves
in a particular way and then you strengthen that.
Usually for efficiency.
Yeah, and then you strengthen that
the way that they work together.
So you say you got shoulders, triceps, and chest
for a chest press.
Let's say the way you start to press
is that your shoulders do a lot of the work.
Well, and then you start to develop more strength and you add more weight to the bar. Well,
it's going to continue on that path. That's the way you learn it. That's the way you practice
it. That's the way that you're strongest. Because if you try to change it suddenly to
include more of that lagging body part, you're actually going to be weaker. The reason why
a lot of people don't understand this is initially when you're a beginner, the goal is just to
get stronger. And that's true, right if when you first get started your best bet is
just get stronger in these core lists but as you progress and let's say you do
lots of squats and you're like okay I've been squatting now for six months my
squat has gone up a lot my quads are developing I'm getting no butt
development whatsoever okay now what we need to do is drop the weight and find
how to connect to your butt when
doing the squat because it looks like your quads are doing more work than they should
or more work than you'd like.
So you have to back off to teach yourself or teach your body to do it differently.
The example I've used in the past is like typing on a typewriter.
If you can type with just your index finger, it's really like this is all you've ever done,
like me, this is how I type.
If you tell me to use all my fingers and type properly,
I'm gonna type slower initially
because I haven't practiced the proper way to do it
at first.
However, over time, I will surpass my ability
with my index fingers because this is a more
beneficial way to do it.
But initially, I'm gonna be slower.
I'm gonna be slower at first.
So you have to lighten the load, connect to the muscle that you're trying to hit, feel
it, slow down, and not push yourself hard because if you push yourself too hard with
heavy weight, your body just knows you're trying to lift the weight.
And what it'll do is it'll go back to its strongest recruitment pattern, which is the
one you've been training this whole time, which is the one that is not working or developing
the muscles that you're trying to develop.
Yeah. I mean, I, I get this visual and I know this is like totally different
than your visual you're putting out there, but, um, in terms of building,
like building a structure, like for me, like I was like thinking about my deck
and like, I'm like, I'm gonna put this like hot tub on my deck and, but that's
like thousands of extra pounds.
And I only have so much based off of the load supporting beams that I have underneath it.
And that's like what I have in order to just hold and sustain that weight.
And I can keep adding and loading that weight on top.
But if I'm not reinforcing that and I'm not reinforcing the way that it's
stabilizing all that weight on top, like this is not going to hold long-term.
And plus then if I can reinforce and really work on that part of it,
the capability for me increases in terms of how much more I can add.
He's been sending a lot of deck picks to me.
Have you seen his deck?
I've been really deck minded as of late.
So when I think of this, I visualize sport to me.
I think of golf, I think of late. So I visual, when I think of this, I visualize sport to me. Like I think of golf, I think of baseball and, uh, you know, Barry Bonds and I could both get into the, the batter's
box and say we get a, just a bit like a easy pitch right down the middle and I could crack
that ball, right. And hit the ball. And so to the naked eye, I hit the ball. I did what
I was supposed to do. He gets in there and hits the ball
and it goes fucking four times as far, why?
If I can bench press more than him,
I can squat more than him, I can deadlift,
I'm stronger than him, so why, but yet.
He's got a recruitment pattern.
That's right, he is, he's, the ability for him
to organize his muscles in the right way
to set him up for the most beautiful swing,
to get the most out of that swing, obviously.
This is why you'll hear coaches say it's easier sometimes
to teach somebody how to do a brand new skill
than it is to teach someone who's learned that skill wrong.
Absolutely, because you have to teach them to unlearn it.
Yeah.
And this is no different than in the weight room.
If you get somebody who's been lifting weights
for many years, improperly, right?
Not properly setting the bench press up, not properly setting the deadlift up.
And then I get ahold of them as a client.
Not only do I have to teach them proper mechanics, but I had to get them to
unlearn their default pattern, their default, how to lift those.
And because they have taught themselves how to organize their muscles in a way,
sure, to get the bar off the ground.
But what they don't realize is that it's so inefficient that it's the limiting
factor to them building more muscle and getting stronger.
So when I think of it, when we talk about stuff like this, to me, like,
like obviously if you played sport, like it just translates so well, it's like,
you can, you can hit a golf ball, you can hit a baseball and then you can do it
right and really get a lot out of it. And weightlifting is same thing. Yeah I remember I had a buddy of mine who was a
he competed in arm wrestling this is in Italy so it's one of my my family
members and he did pull-ups as part of his workout and he wasn't a big guy but
he was pretty competitive as a weight class and I watched him do pull-ups and
he did bicep pull-ups he the way he did pull-ups was biceps because and it's
because that's where he's strong and I could see when he pull pull himself up, he'd kind of round forward and do this kind of
like pull up like this.
I remember thinking like, oh, you're doing it wrong.
I'm like, no, no, no.
Actually, you're doing it because that's how you're strong.
If I have you do it the way that you're supposed to to hit the back, you're probably not going
to be able to do as many.
We'd have to back way off, do less reps to teach your body to work differently.
So when you're doing these compound lifts and you're finding like, you know, I thought,
you know, squats were supposed to build my butt or I thought, you know, rows were supposed
to build my back or deadlifts were supposed to build, you know, build this or whatever.
And it's not working for me.
Well, you got to go lighter, hit that muscle so you can feel it, slow down so you can feel
it and target it when doing that exercise and then slowly progress from there,
which means your form and technique
are gonna change a little bit.
Otherwise, if you just add weight,
you're only gonna strengthen what you already have.
It's only gonna continue down that same path
and you'll continue with that lagging body part.
So hard to do with somebody who's been trained for a while
because of the ego, right?
Totally.
I've got to completely.
All my presses are like that, bro.
I go in the gym.
I go in the gym.
It goes down.
For a while now, I go in and I press real light because, you know, for me,
I have my shoulders and triceps dominate.
And for years, I didn't want to go lighter.
It's like, whatever, I'll just keep getting heavier or whatever.
Now I go way lighter because I keep working a new recruitment pattern.
I mean, I feel like you can, I can see a body type.
I can tell right away,
like a guy who's been lifting forever and he's got this kind of rolled forward
shoulder pot, you know, kind of gorilla walk.
And he's got big ass triceps on him and big delts on him.
And then like a flat chest.
It's like just dude's been bench pressing with his arms and his shoulders for
decade. He don't say, I don't have a girl.
I wasn't describing it.
Wait, do I have a girl? I don't have a girl. I wasn't describing you.
I know.
I want to ask you guys if you guys
noticed something.
So I noticed something with the new... So we have a different
schedule here with how
we operate at Mind Pump. So we have
more time in the studio for less days
which means more time like
at home for longer periods or whatever.
And I noticed this with my little ones.
When I go... When I'm home,
after about a day or two, my kids get really attached to me, my little ones. We're playing,
they're coming to me and they want to come to me more often and whatever. And then when I leave on
Monday, they have a tough time with it. And it's almost like they have to disconnect from me for a
day or two because then I go home and I can tell that they kind of disconnect a little bit. And then when
I come home, then it takes me a second to read it. So it's almost like going back and
forth from work is like connect, disconnect. Like I notice their, with their behaviors.
Are you noticing anything like that?
Yeah. Yeah. I mean, like, I mean, Max and I are like connected at the hip already as it
is, but he's not used to seeing daddy home for that many hours
for that many days in a row.
And so-
Is it harder to go back?
Yeah, and so there's, you know, on Mondays,
which I literally just right before we got this podcast,
I texted Katrina, I said, you know, how did Max go?
And we also had this last week for him was spring break.
So he had the whole day off.
On top of it. So then it makes it even more difficult.
When we're in his routine and he's going to school,
seeing daddy after 3 o'clock is very normal for his routine.
But this new schedule where I'm home all day with him
on those days, he's definitely like, you know,
and him and I play so much.
And so it's just like he gets used to that.
And it's just like, I don't want to go to school today. I want to just play with dad all day. Well, and him and I play so much. And so it's just like, he gets used to that.
And it's just like, you know,
I don't wanna go to school today.
I wanna just play with dad all day.
Well, dad's gotta go to work and you gotta go to this.
And so there's a bit of that on Mondays now
when we go back, it's a little difficult.
Yeah, it's like usually by the third day,
I see a big difference with my little ones.
Like they're just on me, my daughter, you know, a holder,
and she'll often look back at me, gives me a smile.
She goes, papa.
And then she does her kiss.
She doesn't really kiss.
She just comes at me with her little open mouth or whatever.
So I let her do that.
It's like that.
And then when I leave, I notice that they're kind of upset.
Don't go, don't go, don't go type of deal.
And I wonder how much of this happens with adults too.
We just kind of put it aside. You know what I mean? If you're a new mom, I bet this happens with adults too, just we just kind of like put it aside.
You know what I mean?
Like if you're like a new mom,
I bet this happens to new moms.
This has to happen to new moms.
Where you're like your new mom, okay my baby now.
How long do you typically take?
Six months.
Is it six months?
Is that what maternity leave is?
Is it six months or is it less?
It's typically six months.
Okay, okay.
So it's like six months and then-
There's an example, my best friend and his,
they were back three months back out at three
I thought paid maternity was like oh, I don't know what their their paid is. It's paid
I thought I thought was three months. Yeah
So it's up to 12 weeks of unpaid job protected leave. Okay, so 12 weeks
Yeah, okay, so 12 weeks and a lot a lot of moms have to go back to work. Yeah, and I would imagine that they have to
subconsciously or psychologically disconnect to go back to work
and then to come home.
Have you ever heard Katrina talk about it?
No.
So it was, I mean, it's interesting hearing her perspective
because she's such a, like, my wife never wanted to be
a stay-at-home mom, like that was never even a thought.
She was always going to work.
She loves work.
She has, she's driven by that stuff.
She's a very type A when it comes to stuff like that.
And so that was always like, okay, you know,
she's going to go back to work after so many weeks.
And that was the reason for her leaving JJ Albany's
was that she had got to a point where it was time to go back
and it landed literally on a day where
Max was like kind of sick and she had to head off to work and she said leaving our son with him not
feeling well to go to a job and then she goes especially considering in our situation where
she doesn't need to work. She was choosing to work.
Cause I, man, I can't imagine not having that
option.
She had that option.
And then she was like, what the fuck am I doing?
Yeah.
And she said she was a disaster the whole day
at work.
And she's like, I'm not doing this.
And then that was the whole beginning of her
leaving that job was that she had realized,
she didn't realize how difficult that was going to be
in her head.
She had pictured it differently and it would just,
it hit her like a ton of bricks and it tore her up
and she was like, oh no, I can't do this.
I know it's tough for me with the-
It's a tough transition.
Yeah, I was different with my older kids.
I was very disconnected, not not present worked all the time
So psychologically was like, you know, just this is what I do
Way more involved with my younger ones, you know once I got divorced
I really realized that oh shit
Like this is something I need to do and I missed it missing out
So way more involved and I find myself like even like oh man, I got to like leave
I'm not gonna be with the kids type of deal.
That's kinda tough.
It's gotta be so much harder for moms
because they're already so connected anyway, naturally.
I mean, my heart breaks for somebody who has to do that,
especially living in a state like this.
I think the only way to get through it
is you almost have to either tell yourself it's okay.
You have to disconnect.
Yeah, you have to pretend.
You have to pretend like you don't care.
I mean, I think that's the only way that you make it
through that situation is that you just have to pretend.
Speaking of which, I was talking to a friend of mine
who, great guy, really great guy.
You know who he is, I won't say his name,
but really, really great guy.
And he's got, I think he's got two or three kids,
all adopted, so he adopted his kids.
And him and his wife couldn't have kids so they adopted them.
And he adopted them when they were babies.
So they had just been born, he adopted them.
And he says, you know, there's this thing when you adopt a baby that there's always this like,
you always have to contend with this abandonment that they deal with.
Even when they're just babies, people who adopt babies talk about this and say,
oh yeah, there's these struggles because
even though they're just born and you take them,
that they can somehow notice that they were disconnected
from mom, that the person they were with.
And so he says there are these patterns
where they'll test you as they grow up.
They'll test you, like are you gonna stick around?
Are you gonna stick around?
Push it, push it, push it.
Interesting. Yeah. Interesting. Yeah.
Interesting. Yeah, so,
and he said that to me,
and I'd heard that from someone else
who also adopted babies,
who said the same thing.
That makes sense.
Yeah, so it's like when they get,
It's like surrogate moms and stuff,
like I'm sure it's not just benign, you know?
That they carry your baby, then it's yours.
Yeah, yeah.
I'm sure there's something there, right?
Of course.
Little babies, you know, perceive a lot more than we give them credit.
Totally.
A lot of that stays in them.
Well, speaking of that sort of transition,
so with my oldest, with Ethan, what I've noticed
that was interesting, because he's always been
pretty easy, pretty chill kid in terms of like,
there might be a struggle to do
something sometimes and I got to kind of motivate him, whatever, but I haven't
really had a lot of issues or problems, but it seems as though like the
testosterone is really like- Changing him?
Cranking up, yeah, like to the point where he's like just disagreeable, like
to a level I had never seen, you know, and we're just like this. He's a teenager, bro.
Dude, but like it just like,
it happened over a weekend.
That's so interesting, you always compare him to Max.
Like when I tell you stories about Max,
you're like, oh, that's how Ethan was.
Ethan was such an easy go chill.
So how wild is that for you?
It's weird, man.
Like honestly, I didn't foresee that
because his personality is so,
well, I just, I kind of knew what to do.
And it was like, I didn't have to do a lot.
I didn't have to like really come in guns blazing or, or like, you know,
strategize too much.
I'm going to figure out how to like turn his behavior around or anything.
He's just like easy chill, like kid.
Um, and it's not that he's not good kids, just that he's just, he wants to like
find up any opportunity to be like, oh, yeah, oh,
yeah, and like bait me to come at me for things.
And I'm just like, whoa, what is all this energy?
And he's definitely his body's changed.
He's getting pretty muscular now.
He's 14.
He's taller.
14.
This is when it all happens.
It's weird, dude. weird dude, like honestly,
like I kind of foresee that with Everett having a lot more
battles in that regard, but like with Ethan,
I thought it would be easy.
I have kids in both categories, okay?
And I remember parents telling me this when my older kids
were toddlers, like for example, my daughter,
when she was a toddler, she would throw tantrums
that were just, I mean they were epic.
Like you just, I'm just like, I can't wait
till she outgrows this.
And I'd have friends with teenage kids
and they'd be like, bro, I wish my kid was a toddler.
I would deal with that way over teenagers.
Teenagers are the worst.
I'm like, okay, whatever dude.
It's worse.
It's worse because they can talk, they're intelligent,
there's more on the line, they'll push back,
and then you feel like, what is going on?
And it's like, do I create, do I start a war?
Do we make this a war?
So how did you handle it?
Did you, because it caught you off guard,
were you reactive?
Or did you find yourself having to step out of the moment?
And then, I mean, how did you handle it?
And then, was he receptive to how you dealt with it?
I think because- Do you think you did it right?
Yeah, no, I think I handled it. Okay. Like I think
because it's so new, I kind of, I thought it was more funny
than anything. Yeah, I was kind of like, Oh, wow. Like, really?
Like you want to come at me like that? And then, you know, we
discussed like, what was going on? I'm like, you know, are
you frustrated with something? Like, where's all this coming
from? You know, I was like trying to like dig a little deeper and see like what
the root of it was. But it's really, there's no root of it. It's just the, like, he just
wants to press it against something right now. And so, uh, I tried, I really try to
like not react and then like have more of like, I challenge with jokes and, and, and
we'll kind of poke back a bit. And then if it's, if it's something that where he's like, I challenge with jokes and we'll kind of poke back a bit.
And then if it's something that where he's like, you know,
out of line, I'm going to come in.
Yeah.
I'm going to come in hard.
Yeah.
And then he knows his place again, and then we start over, you know, and that's
kind of what had to happen.
Yeah.
So it did come down.
I mean, I feel like, because, you know, again, you compare him to a lot of the
behaviors that I see in Max and everything like that, and just
being so sensitive and soft and like, there's probably a part of
you that actually is likes it. I would think that because I know
that that's a part of you, like, I mean, that he's got edge to
him now. And he's got a little bit of a, which I would think
that that's because that's one of the things I worry about with
Max, like, like man he's so
soft. Yeah so like I'm like you know I'd be okay with him being a little bit of a prick every once in a while because I want to see that edge to him you know I'm saying because his life is
rough it's life is not easy and you got to have a bit of an edge to you so there's got to be a
part of you that likes that out of him, I would think. Yeah, I do.
I think, yeah, to a degree, but yeah, it's new.
It's challenging me.
It's challenging me, right?
Yeah, not challenging me.
I'm like, wait a minute.
Don't forget who the king of the house is.
You know, King Lion is in this house.
But yeah, at the same time. I want him to have opinions. I want him to have,
you know, um, be able to kind of stand up for himself and, uh, you know, all that. So it is,
it is good to see that he has that more of that energy and like he, he knows he has really good
values and morals established already. And I'm not worried about that. It's just like,
he's like, uh, like no, no, when and where, you know, the challenge, like'm not worried about that. It's just like, no when and where to challenge.
We're working on that.
I've been reading a lot about what's considered
developmentally appropriate as kids grow up.
That is really helpful.
Kids who are between one and three,
making them share with other kids,
in their mind, that doesn't make any sense.
It's either mine or it's not mine.
And so if you force like a two year old to share,
no, you have to share.
What you're actually teaching them is to people please.
Is you're teaching them just to make other kids happy.
Now once they're older, then they understand the concept.
So it's not developmentally appropriate.
Well that's the other hard part too
is when they have a difficult kid
that they don't want to be friends with.
And the teacher and the parent, they're having these counseling sessions and it's like, look,
he doesn't like your kid and that's okay.
He doesn't have to like your kid.
And this whole coddling of everything, he has to be nice and fun.
That's people-pleasing.
Yeah. He doesn't need to do it, but he does have to be respectful., he has to be nice and fun. That's people-pleasing. Yeah, he doesn't need to do it,
but he does have to be respectful.
He does have to be nice.
He does have to be,
I don't wanna play with you.
I'm okay with that.
I thought it was really interesting
the way the Montessori School handled sharing
and stuff like that.
They don't do that.
They don't tell the kid you have to share.
If a kid's playing with a toy
and another kid comes over to take it,
it's like, no, no, no, no, no.
He's playing with that. When he decides he's done with it, then he'll tell you when he's playing with a toy and another kid comes over to take it, it's like, no, no, no, no, no. He's playing with that.
When he decides he's done with it,
then he'll tell you when he's done with it.
So that's how they manage that.
They don't, like some people like force that, right?
Share, give it to him, let him, it's like.
That's what I'm saying.
So understanding what's developmentally appropriate
makes a big difference because like,
let's say you have a teenager and you give them
unfettered access to their phone,
and you're like, hey listen, don't go on this website. Don't do this. Don't do that.
You're asking them to do something they can't do.
They don't have the ability to do it. It's just like with, like with my toddler,
like if he's, if he's doing something and we're playing,
and then he notices I'm on my phone,
he'll hit something off the table to get my attention.
Now getting mad at him for that is that's his impulse.
His impulse is get dad's attention. It's not, I'm being a, you know, I want to be a jerk or something like that.
So it makes a big difference because then you can talk to your kid and be like, okay,
this is developmentally appropriate or no, this is something I need to coach, you know,
type of deal. But I know teenagers are just, it's like you're trying to find your independence
somehow.
It is fiercely independent energy for sure.
I also think it's so crazy how to like little,. I don't know if I show this to you guys
It was such a cool moment for me
after I had that talk with Max the whole the like my first real big talk with him and
He was making a comment to Katrina
overheard him and they were they were like doing schoolwork like that and
He told her that no mommy Schaefer's don't give up and I was like, oh my god that. And he told her that, no, Mommy, Shaffers don't give up.
And I was like, oh my God, the fact that he remembered that
from that conversation, that only one time
that I had to sit him down and I said that to him
and then wondering like, okay, did I say this right?
Did I make the impact I want to?
And then to hear him repeat that to her
when they were working something like that
and him not to say like, no, Mommy's, Jafers don't give up.
I'll, I'll keep doing it with them.
I was like, oh, huge, like huge dad win.
But it's, it's wild how they choose to pick up the most subtle things.
Sometimes it's like, that's like one time being said to you and it made an impact enough
in his brain that there can come another situation.
And it was, and it's like man how crazy is
that when you think about those all those moments in a child's life that you
have this opportunity to really go one way or the other you know I'm saying on
like it could have went the complete opposite way right like it could have
been reactive in that situation and then who knows like what that would have like
form by the way you know it's messed up about that is you're gonna mess up so I
think people listening right now like you're gonna mess up. So I think people listening right now like,
you're gonna mess up, you're not gonna be perfect.
Sure.
And it's important to know that because,
you know, I could do that, I could look back and be like,
oh man, damn, why did I do that?
Oh, why did I, ugh, I hate that, you know?
There'll be some cringe moments.
Oh yeah, you ever have that moment where your kid like,
you raise your voice or something
and then they get just, they get scared,
you realize how scared they are,
you're like, what am I doing?
You know, I- Terrifying my kid. get scared, you realize how scared they are, and you're like, what am I doing?
Terrifying my kid.
That's something that I think,
obviously so many people tell me, right,
and say like, oh, you're bound to fuck up,
that's part of being a parent.
I think that, of course, now of course,
I approach it with the attitude of like,
I'm not going to, I'm gonna work towards it.
Now, what I realize is that that's probably gonna happen,
and the most important thing is that I'm aware of that,
that when it does happen,
that I have a conversation with them and I admit that.
So that's the part where I, that's the part where-
That changes the story.
That's where parents fuck up.
See, it's okay to have a situation
where you're not perfect as a parent.
That's not the real fuck up.
The real fuck up is to not done the right thing
and then not go back and have a conversation
and say that you were wrong and say,
hey, you know what, daddy didn't handle that right.
I definitely got upset, I shouldn't have said that to you
and I'm sorry and then admit you were wrong
and have that conversation.
That is what, that's the shit that causes
long life trauma for that kid because you fucked up as a parent,
you weren't man enough to admit to your kid
that you made a mistake and you saw it.
And do it relatively soon.
It can't be like, you know, otherwise they got 10 years
of trauma and you're finally admitting you fucked up
10 years ago.
It's like, it's being able to be aware as a parent
when those moments happen of like, ooh,
that probably wasn't the best. You know what's another big one that I know I messed up a lot in the past is not calling things
out and talking about them. Because you think, oh, my kids aren't noticing, like, I think
everything's okay. They're not saying anything. So we're just going to move along. Yeah. But kids
can tell like, like after I got divorced, it was like, we just kind of moved forward and the kids
seemed okay. So I'm not going to like sit them down and talk with them and bring it up,
and I know it's tough right now,
and I know it's weird, and whatever.
I said it a couple times and I left it,
but they notice, they feel, they just kind of like go along,
like I guess we're just moving in this direction.
So it's like if you're tense with your wife,
and you're at home, and the kids are around,
and you're like, you don't say anything to the kids,
you don't have to break it down,
hey, your mom this morning did this or that,
you could literally just say, hey, mom and I are a little tense right now, you don't say anything to the kids, you don't have to break it down, hey, your mom this morning did this or whatever, you could literally just say,
hey, mom and I are a little tense right now,
you probably notice it,
because we had an argument earlier.
Like, if you don't call it out,
the kid is like, what is going on?
This is weird.
Well, a lot of times they will create their own story.
They'll internalize it as their fault.
Or their fault. Yeah, yeah.
Or they're so young, they can't even think about it,
they just know that it's weird.
Right, or worse, it becomes like any sort of bad behaviors, right?
Yelling, fighting, stuff like that becomes, they normalize it and then they think.
Yeah, because nobody said anything the next day.
Yeah, so then they think that that's what their relationship is, so it's fucked, yeah,
no.
You know, speaking of kids, you're not on social media right now, so I get DMs for you.
I have two things for you.
Oh, cool, thank you.
We're taking all your DMs.
Yeah, yeah. I mean, I wasn't on there anyway. It's just more work for me, I have two things for you. Oh cool, thank you. Yeah, we're taking all your DMs.
Yeah, yeah.
I mean, I wasn't on there anyway.
I had more work for me, it was awesome.
I would get it relayed by Chokey.
Yeah, no, I get, now.
I can't believe, by the way,
they kicked me off again for no damn reason.
I cannot believe.
They're not kicking you off.
I don't even operate it.
What's happening is that people are complaining about you.
Somebody doesn't like you.
But what did I do?
All right, somebody doesn't like me
because it was all fitness stuff.
Bro, yeah, it's just like you and I, we were talking about this the other day. Like we have people, there's a lot of people that don't like you, just like a lot of people doesn't like you. But what did I do? It's all right. Somebody doesn't like me.
Bro, yeah, because it's just like you and I, we've talked about this the other day.
Like we have pulled, people don't, there's a lot of people that don't like you.
Just like a lot of people don't like me.
By the way, by the way, more people don't like you.
Did you see the poll that I wrote?
Here we go.
I'm pretty sure I didn't- Did you see the poll?
I'm pretty sure I didn't agree.
I figured this would be a brought up episode.
I figured that I didn't know that I am the least liked.
I'm very aware.
Hey, I beat you by one vote.
Did you know that?
I beat you by one vote.
One vote.
Yeah, it was one vote, bro. Justin, and Justin would just landslide.
Landslide, most likable.
Everybody knew that.
My whole family going, they're going there, vote for me.
I'm actually proud that I was even one within you.
I'm saying I thought it would be like a landslide.
I think early days they were trying to replace me.
That's hilarious.
I was like, fine, replace me.
I'd love to.
Let me do less shit.
I'm all about it.
So what happened?
What'd you get the messages?
What's the rule?
There's two.
I'll remind you the probiotic one, which I want to pull up.
Two, people were asking me, because I
think we must have mentioned something about kids
and vitamins and stuff like that.
What are the things that you tend to use with your kids,
as far as the brands and the supplements and things
that we are partnered with, that we talk about? What are the things that you most consistently use with your kids, as far as the brands, the supplements, the things that we are partnered with, that we talk about,
what are the things that you most consistently use
with your children?
Yeah, so I just started, so we just got,
I'm gonna look this up,
because I wanna make sure I represent this properly.
We just got a new product from Organifi called Protect,
which is, this is an immune supplement
to help bolster the immune system.
And I like it, and the kids like,
I mean the taste
is not bad at all, it's actually really good.
It has acerola cherry, which is high in vitamin C
and antioxidants, astragulus, which has for years
been known to be good to fight off viral infections.
It has elderberry, we know about that for,
and that studies will show that's good for influenza.
Olive leaf, this is an antibiotic, antibacterial,
antiviral, antioxidant, antifungal, natural.
Then there's propolis, which has also been shown
to help boost the immune system or its function.
More orange juice for the vitamin C, acacia fiber,
which supports good gut bacteria, vitamin D3 and zinc.
So this is an immune product.
Is this like an immune boosting product for kids?
Yep.
So if your kid starts getting a little,
oh, oh, looks like you're getting sick.
That's actually really cool because I just,
I mean, the green juice was like just the go-to
just in general, and my kids would actually drink it,
so we would supplement with that.
Well, this is cool because I was just talking to you
recently about, you know, this was been,
ever since we met, I've been better about myself
when I'm around people that are sick,
and I've noticed a massive difference in,
not that whether I get sick or not,
but how bad it is.
Like it's like, I feel like it's 50% less,
like as far as the symptoms.
Yeah, like all these herbs and stuff that I just listed
have been used either in certain traditions,
Ayurvedic medicine, Chinese medicine,
for a long time, hundreds of years,
some of them for thousands of years, for illness.
Some of them have studies to support them,
elderberry for example, some of them, maybe it's mixed,
but they've been used traditionally for these reasons,
but they're not gonna stop you necessarily
from getting sick.
What they will do in the studies show,
like elderberry for example,
is it reduces the severity and the duration.
So you'll get the flu, but it'll last two days less and you won't be as
severe. That's and that's what I noticed personally for myself from doing that. So
I love this because you know you always know at this like back to school we know
when this stuff is going around right? Right now it's like inevitable yeah. Yeah and so if I can be proactive about having him add this to his drink
This is the powder form just like the green juice. Yeah, this tastes this one's really good. Okay, that's you know kids
You gotta have it taste good. Good luck. You know what that the other supplement that I use
This no no partner involvement or whatever my daughter is she can't eat eggs if she eats eggs
She starts to get a little bit of like eczema
And that sucks because egg yolks in particular
are so nutrient dense, and they're very high in choline,
and choline is really important for brain development.
So I just recently started giving my daughter a baby
choline supplement, because we read that,
what was that study that you brought up,
or I brought up, Adam, because you wanted me to talk about it, that showed that kids who consumed eggs regularly,
their IQ is so much higher than kids who didn't. And I'm like, it's got to be the choline.
It's got to be the choline. Choline is very important for brain function.
So you just reminded me of something and I should, I feel so bad. I don't have the person.
I wanted to shout the person out and give them the love for doing this. But we talked about that. So they actually posted a recipe for French
toast that they use to boost the eggs in it. And so I'll give it to the audience so they can have
it. So whisk together one egg per slice of bread. She uses two eggs, she says. Splash of milk dash
of cinnamon. Hello.
When a skillet is heated up, dip the whole grain bread
both sides.
Once in the pan, pour the remaining egg mixture
over the bread.
Get all that egg in there.
When it's ready, cube it up and toss it
in a teaspoon of organic pure maple syrup,
or just put a little bit of fruit.
We actually even sprinkled a little bit of powdered sugar on it with some fruit for him and cut him up
in squares and now he's getting like two eggs in this French toast recipe and he
absolutely you know my son my three-year-old will eat between okay
because we only give him yolks because the whites he started he was getting a
reaction although I think now we're probably outgrown it. He'll eat between two, to no joke, six egg yolks a day. Wow. Now breakfast is two
yolks, but sometimes the other day, throughout the day, you know,
Papa, can you make me eggs and toast? Sure. Papa, can you make me, it's like three times he had it.
So he's having all this, these egg yolks with all this incredible nutrients.
Which by the way, another study came out showing that they're not bad for you. I
hate it when people talk about how eggs can be bad for you or whatever such a crazy ridiculous. No, not true
They're very very very healthy
Unless you have eggs have been targeted more than anything else because they're high cholesterol bad
Dietary cholesterol doesn't raise cholesterol. We know that so old news
Yeah, how I mean look there may be some morphologies where you know
You're you have an interesting way of producing
cholesterol and have an asphyxia and of course it's in the context of your total diet and
all that stuff.
But for most people, this is like, it's one of the, it's like nature's multivitamin is
an egg.
Yeah, the other DM that I had got was, you called it the GLP-1-
Supplement.
Probiotics.
I told you guys.
Yeah.
So it's already going like crazy.
I'm telling you guys, these GLP-1 agonists are going,
they're gonna be so impactful, it's going to mold society.
And there's gonna be so many people misusing it.
Like, I guarantee it.
I would've probably.
It's gonna change markets, it's gonna mold society.
There's gonna be, it's gonna be like birth control.
Yeah.
Remember when birth control, okay, that's a great example.
Birth control shifted society.
You can literally look at society before birth control,
society after birth control.
That's how much of a groundbreaking
medical intervention that was.
The GLP-1s, I believe, we're gonna look back in 20 years
and we're gonna say pre and post GLP-1 agonists.
So this is the normal time when I insert myself and argue with you about something? We're gonna look back in 20 years and we're gonna say pre and post GOP one agonist.
So this is the normal time when I insert myself
and argue with you about something,
but going through it, I do not disagree at all.
I mean, it's, there's nothing like it, dude.
There is nothing that we have ever seen before
that has this kind of power to it.
And I was hearing all the rumors from clients, friends, people
that I know that have taken it and everything like that. But not realizing how crazy until I did it,
until I got it, you started using it. And it's, it's wild, dude. It's, um, there's a lot of things
I don't like though. You know, like I miss, I actually, how funny is this? I miss the hedonistic desires for food. I do.
There's a, I like, I miss.
So this is interesting. It's interesting you say that.
I miss that mean it means that fucking food sucks. Well,
what I mean is my favorite foods are just the high highs.
You used to know it means something more.
It means something more than that. So whatever you got from that, now,
I wonder if that's gonna open anything else up for you.
Okay, what was that satisfying?
Why do I miss that?
So that's interesting.
I wonder, right?
That's an interesting thing to speculate on.
So far, and of course you know me,
I'll tell you guys everything.
Or as I go through this,
I don't have a desire to reach or do,
or it's not like my smoking weed consumption went up or I'm like
gravitating so like I need this other hedonistic desire like nothing else is like in fact if
anything all those hedonistic things are tamped way down or less in my life right there's no
Do you think the GOP one affected those too? It's like a dietary antidepressant or something. Less than you would think.
So I didn't feel, I'm not, I almost feel turned off by food.
I'm not turned off by smoking weed.
That's still a nice thing that I enjoy occasionally, right?
But the enjoyment of a meal is gone.
I don't enjoy, we went out to this,
we went out to Telefairic, is that how I say it?
Telefairic?
Telefairic, yeah.
Telefairic.
Oh, that's the topest place.
Yeah, the topest place we really like.
So we took Katrina's mom for her birthday this weekend there
and big, huge family style thing.
Because you know, enjoyment of food is not a bad thing.
It's just when it gets abused or it gets prioritized wrong. But you know, enjoying a food is not a bad thing. No. It's just when it gets abused or gets prioritized wrong.
But you know how weird it was?
We were there for three hours.
Her family eats, drinks, they're crazy.
So it was like we were literally there for three.
Even the flavors and everything, they don't like pop out at you?
None, dude.
And it really hit home for me for this dinner.
So we got the whole family there, big old table reserved out. We did the family style too. So they, you know, three 40 ounce tomahawks. We had the paella,
three big paellas, all, I mean, they just, food was coming the whole time for three hours,
food and drink. And one, I had to be, the tomahawk didn't come out till later, which is the only
thing I was really like, I need to eat that because I need to get my protein.
All this other stuff is just like filler stuff.
So one, I was already like picky and choosy
because I'm like, I don't want to get filled up on some,
you know, some bread and then I can't even eat meat.
I know I got to do that.
So, you know, I had a few things, just I'm sitting there.
I'm the only one just sitting there,
like sitting at the table, not drinking alcohol.
I'm not eating anything.
And we're at this, of course I'm talking with my wives
with that, but there's a lot of moments
where people are like enjoying their food.
Oh, try this, this, that.
And I'm just like, dut, dut, dut,
sitting at the end of the table.
Like, you know what I felt like?
I felt like the person who was like choosing not to do.
So you know what it was like, really annoying.
Everyone's just like, Adam, try this.
You just there folding your arms, just I was I was just and they're
like you'll have some of this or here you want another one of these. I'm like no
it's like I want to I want to make sure I can eat some of the tomahawk when it
comes in but it just. So I had so this makes me speculate on some interesting
stuff. So using the birth control example we separated the risk or the potential of
having a child with the act of intercourse.
We didn't really think that through in the sense of we just thought, oh cool, we're going
to have less unwanted births or whatever, so this should be a good thing.
But separating sex from the potential, actually there's a lot more ramifications societally
and just how we are behaviorally. And we know this
now looking back. Like it's had some, it's done some, there's some good stuff
and then there's some bad stuff that we didn't really see through, understand
because it was too complicated. I wonder if, you know, separating the pleasure of
eating from food, what could that potentially, is that going to change the
way people connect? What's that gonna do?
You know what I mean?
It was a very, it was a very.
Is it gonna be like a, I mean,
will it be a net positive, net negative?
I mean, a net positive for somebody
who has a very dysfunctional relationship with it, right?
Like if you have a very dysfunctional relationship
with food and it very much so is your drug
and you use it as a coping,
it's gonna do wonders for that person. I'm not that person, right? I don't have this weird, awkward relationship with food and I don't use it
to suppress my feelings. And I don't even really drink and really indulge in that type of food,
except for in an environment like that. My whole family's there and everyone's picking and enjoying
and I'm not really enjoying the food. And so it's kind of a bummer.
I didn't have the cake, the cake comes out for,
it was a shoot by my sister-in-law,
went to a fucking real Italian bakery
and had like a, and my type of cake too,
real light, like no desire for it, dude.
Didn't even want to taste it.
It's fucking light.
Well, when you have the average,
you look at America, right?
The average American is overweight,
so it's like 60%, I think, is overweight.
Yeah.
And then 40% is obese.
Yes.
But let's just look at the 60% overweight.
That's 170 or 100 something million people potentially.
What if, and it's so, this peptide has so low side effects
that we know of, like, could you imagine where it's like,
well, you know, everybody's gonna go on this,
because everybody just overeats.
And what could that, like, I'm trying to think
of the potential unknowns.
Behavioral unknowns, cultural unknowns.
For sure, net positive in my opinion.
Initially it's gonna be a big positive.
Yeah, I think it's gonna be net positive.
You have to always remember, right,
so this is the, you know, fitness fanatic weightlifting muscle
trainer guy sharing his story.
I'm not the candidate for this.
I'm really not.
I'm not the 60%.
But for those people, I think it can be life changing.
But then the thing that I'm not sure about yet,
and the verdict's still out, is that,
and the same reason why I told my, my three family members,
why I don't want them to take it yet is I know where they're at
metabolically and is it really going to serve them to eat less
when they're already-
So I'm not even thinking of the physiological stuff.
Cause we talked about that.
I'm on board with that.
I'm talking about the behavioral, cultural, like, you know,
how many cultures revolve around or have been created around eating all traditions
and get together my culture, my family's culture, I should say, right? You know, like where
they come together, they cook together, they do these things together, they, they, is it
going to change that? I was sending everybody's like, I don't want to eat. I, I, so we had,
I wonder, you know, it's.
I'm telling you, this is a good shit society.
I've had, so on Friday, no excuse me, Saturday,
we had Vicky and my cousin come over for the fights.
And you know, again, I had eaten all day long again,
and I'm thinking like, man, you know what would be great
is if I wanted to have fucking pizza or something right now.
Like I wanted to want to do that.
Yeah.
But it didn't even sound good.
And so there's this like bummer of, and I like, and I had, so I had to tell them when
they came over my house, say, Hey, just want to let you guys know, like if, and when you
get hungry, like let Katrina know, because you're not going to hear anything from me.
Like I'm not going to normally, I'm the one who like takes charge and be like, I'm hungry.
You guys want this, you want that.
And like, I'm doing all the, all that stuff.
And I like have to tell people like,
hey, I could easily go all day today and not eat.
And so if you guys were wanting to do like a food
and snack and this, please don't not do it
because I'm not saying anything or I'm not like,
so just weird and a bummer,
a bummer to watch these great fights
and not get to indulge a little bit
and even want to indulge.
So weird.
So it's really.
I mean, it's all speculation I'm doing right now, right?
But I definitely think it's gonna shift society.
That's how powerful these things are.
Yeah, I mean I miss liking those things.
It's a truth.
I will say this, and I don't know,
did you put caldera on your face
before we started podcasting?
Yeah, yeah.
Okay, okay.
I'm like your skin looks.
Shiny, well.
So it's gotta be the reduction in calorie,
but then you put caldera on, which always makes you look.
I mean, Caldera is, I mean, that's become,
I don't know if I miss a day, I'd be honest with you.
That's become a staple.
I always see you put it on.
Yeah, it's become a staple that I utilize their stuff.
That and their soap, I absolutely love.
I haven't used a soap yet.
I know, I can't believe it, but you're not a soap guy.
But I absolutely love their soap.
You said, you were saying it lathers really well?
Who is that, Doug said that?
No, I said that.
It's like the best lathering bar soap I've ever had in my life.
It's like bar none.
Nobody's ever, I've never used a bar soap
that lathers so well.
So it's really, and it doesn't have,
so I'm really particular about the hippie dippy smell.
I don't like that.
Oh, and they're all natural.
Yes.
They smell like a processor.
Pichuli, thanks.
Yes, dude, I don't like that.
It bothers me.
I don't know what it is.
Pichuli?
Justin hates that.
Oh, yeah.
It makes me angry.
I don't like it either.
I really don't like that.
And I know, I mean, I'm sure the person who does smell like that's
more natural. You're so used to all the chemicals. I'm full of the cancer. I am, I mean, I'm sure the person who does smell like that's like, oh, that's more natural. You're so used to all the chemicals.
I am, I am. Okay. I'll admit that. Whatever. I don't like, I don't like this.
So I don't get that from that, which I like that.
So it makes me happy that I don't have to smell like a,
like a hippie and actually use,
feel like I'm using something that's good for my skin.
But back to what you notice with probably also my skin,
my psoriasis with the low.
Your guts getting a big break.
Bro.
You're eating so little.
It's been, it's never been this damped down.
Like I ain't have to use my cream.
This is nothing on your head.
There's nothing going on anymore.
Yeah, it's the best it's ever been, dude.
Which that led me to what I told you earlier about like, you know, why, because,
you know who's having the hardest time with this?
My wife.
My wife.
She, every day, dude.
So, you know, wins big at it.
So what is it you like about this?
I'm like, oh my God.
So I don't know if she's challenging you.
Oh, she's fucking challenging me every day.
Like, I'm like, hon, I'm like, I'm not,
she's like, so would you do this if you didn't,
if you didn't, if you, if you didn't get it for free, would you like, would you actually pay for it? I'm like, hon'm not, she's like, so would you do this if you didn't get it for free?
Would you actually pay for it?
I'm like, hun, this whole thing for me is a project
so I can communicate to our audience and our clients
and help other people out.
And of course, while I'm going through it, I'm speculating,
I'm being introspective on myself, I'm trying to learn.
And so I don't have these feelings that you're searching for me to have.
I'm not pro it anti it. I'm like experiencing it.
And so when you hear me talk about it, that's what you hear. But she's like,
she's wanting definitive answers. Like she wants to walk.
And I know that she's heard me say that now, right?
So she's trying to be all better about it, but it. But she's like, I could tell she's struggling with it
more than I'm struggling.
She grabbing your butt less often.
Oh, man.
I'm all in.
I'm like embracing.
And I'm like, maybe I was supposed to be that skinny guy.
Thank God I'm beyond all that stuff.
Maybe that's where I'm supposed to be.
And really, the break on the gut, like you're saying,
is like, and what's happening with my psoriasis right now,
I'm like, God, was that, is that the answer?
Was I just overeating?
Well, maybe until you heal your gut.
Yeah.
I mean, I'm very excited about coming off.
I can't wait, because I'm just getting leaner and leaner
right now, right?
So I'm just getting shredded as a byproduct of all this.
It's like, man, I can't wait to come off,
and then the appetite come back.
Cause for me, that's what I'm.
And then do it right.
Yeah, I mean, and I'll be good about that.
Like I'll just, you know, I'm not gonna push it.
I'll just let the, like enjoying food again
and eating a little bit more
and the energy from that to fuel the better workouts.
And so I'm, and this is where,
this is also what's motivating this conversation
that I'm having on air,
but really want to have with you guys off air
about like really wrapping our brains around
with our experience and knowledge.
And now me kind of going through it firsthand
on like how I would structure this,
like optimally for somebody.
And I'm actually-
I have some ideas.
I'm actually really surprised
that somebody hasn't done this yet. And that we're just telling
people, oh yeah, go lift weights, eat lots of proteins
like, ah, this is a little bit more difficult than you think it
is. And everybody is just celebrating it because
everybody's losing all this body fat. But I'm hearing I'm getting
lots of DMS, by the way, with the more I have this
conversation from trainers that are like, needing, they're like
seeking advice, like, what do I tell my clients, they're like seeking advice. Like,
what do I tell my clients because they're all having the same issue. I've had
people, in fact, I was reading a DM right before we got on of people that have
had clients that have lost 30, 40 pounds with their body fat percentages gone up.
Yeah. Cause I lost too much muscle. Yep. And I bet what's also happening,
which is why I'm again, I'm trying to really listen to my body.
I'm barely training. I bet if I was with as low as calories I'm again, I'm trying to really listen to my body. I'm barely training. I bet if I was with as lowest calories
I'm having if I was just pushing my body to train easily
I would overtrain and actually just make it work. I was not a bad I would lose muscle
So I really think there's gonna be a very sweet
I bet maps 15 would be the perfect program for someone on on a glp one to me
That's if I was like any of our other To me that's, if I was to-
Like any of our other programs-
Oh definitely.
If I were to construct something,
it would look similar to Maps 15
because everything else is way too much.
Way too much volume for how low a calorie that I am.
That I would just, I'd be spinning my wheels.
It would make no sense.
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Our first caller is Haley from California.
Hi, Haley. How can we help you?
Hi.
Good morning.
Doing great. So nice to meet you guys. I actually started listening just about a month ago.
Oh, wow.
And I've been listening a ton. It's like so great. I wish I found it earlier. But you guys have really balanced ago and I've been yeah I've been listening a ton it's like so great
I wish I found it earlier but you guys have really balanced content and it's been super helpful so
far and I appreciate you thank you what can we do yeah so this is I'm gonna read it just so I don't
forget anything um all right so uh my lifting journey started after a car accident. I broke my femur and my pelvis,
and it took me about a year to learn to walk again.
Losing all mobility and strength
lit a fire in me to move again.
Since that time, I've been lifting seriously
for about three years.
I started lifting with my sister,
who's a personal trainer, Amy.
She taught me how to strength train
and that I could lift more than I thought I could.
I really love to lift.
It makes me feel powerful.
So right now I weigh 133 pounds.
I'm 5'5".
I can do 12 full range chin ups and 10 full range pull ups.
I do traditional dead lifts 5 times 205.
I can do about 20 pushups and bench 95 for eight.
I don't squat very much because it causes knee pain,
I think because of the rod in my femur
that I got placed after my accident.
And I think it may have some imbalance,
or maybe it's like with the torque, I'm not sure.
But I like doing split squats and lunges
and leg press to work my legs.
But I'm emailing because I've been struggling to put on muscle this past year. I do put in a lot
of effort in the gym, but I'm getting married in three months and I want to gain some muscle in my
legs. So how can I increase muscle mass and strength in that short timeframe? And then
just for reference, I'm a registered nurse. So I work 12 hour days,
three times a week. And then I'm on my feet most of those days. And then days off I walk about six K steps. I don't do cardio.
And then I, um,
I lift weights about four times a week, like two upper body and two lower body
days.
Awesome. You look incredible. You look incredible. Really, really strong.
Phenomenal, you know, at some point, uh, progress does slow down, especially when you're
doing as well as you are.
I mean, um, I don't know very many, uh, young ladies that could do 12 chin ups
or 10 pull ups.
Stoked on that.
Yeah.
So you're, you're super strong.
Um, the advice we would give you to, to gain more muscle would be kind of
general advice that would give most people.
First off, we would look at your programming. And if you've been doing the same kind of split or workout now for a while,
moving it into something different tends to spark new gain.
So you just said four days a week, it sounds like a push pull type of split
or upper lower, you said.
A three day a week full body workout would probably be a good switch.
So you would hit the whole body three days a week.
We have a great program called MAPS Antibolic,
which I think would do that for you.
And then the other part of it would be to
increase your calories and go in a calorie
surplus of probably about 300, maybe 350 calories
above maintenance.
And those two things alone should start to spark
some more gains.
And when are you getting married?
How long do we have?
Um, in June.
Okay.
Yeah.
So I have about six months.
Yeah.
So you, you, you can put on some good lean body mass in that period of time.
And don't be afraid to run a bulk right now because you're plenty lean that we
could run a bulk and wait till the last, say three, four weeks before your wedding to lean back out.
So you're-
Okay.
And that just the surplus in calories
with the program switch,
that in itself should stimulate some new growth.
If you, and if you just did one or the other,
you might not see as much results in that short period of
time, but if you do both,
if you do a calorie bump with the process,
now the challenge we'll have is, if you're going to put her on maps
and a ball, pull the squats out.
That's right.
I didn't think of that.
Well, uh, do you have access to a sled by chance?
Yeah.
Okay.
Yeah.
It's just a great way to add excess volume.
And that's something I would probably, you know, just throw in there, even
if it's at the end of the workout and it's just something continually, you're getting stimulus for your legs.
Haley, when you, okay.
So you said you do leg press and that doesn't, that doesn't seem to bother you.
Um, have you tried a hack squat machine?
Does that, is that okay?
Or does that bother your knee as well?
Um, I, I feel like I feel a little unstable when I try, I tried to do it
for, um, one of my training, training, like, things that I was doing,
but I felt like a little funky in my knee and a little unstable. So I just kind of shied away
from it after that. Okay. Being that you had a rod put in your femur, there probably is something
that's going on there. This would be one of the rare instances where I would tell someone,
okay, avoid that exercise. Yeah, we would just do Bulgarians instead. I mean, you could build her legs doing Bulgarians.
Oh yeah, totally.
For sure. I actually might suggest with her experience, how strong she is already,
she could probably handle MAPS' aesthetic and put the emphasis on her legs, make her, you know,
glutes, hamstrings or glutes, quads or hamstrings, quads as her focus days,
use the sled to your point as the volume
builders on the focus days and I think she'd see huge results.
So what you would do is if we did maps aesthetic, it's more volume than maps anabolic, you would
replace the barbell squats with a lower body exercise of your choice is what we would have
you do.
So that would be the one replacement.
It's a three day a week routine, but you're also in the gym two additional
days for kind of a short workout.
So you'd be working out about five days a week.
Does that work with your schedule or is that, uh, is that too much?
That would be great.
I love going, um, I would probably do the shorter days on days when I have my
shifts cause I, I leave early, um, to go to the hospital, but I could totally do
that for sure.
That would be ideal.
I say we send Maps Aesthetic.
And then if for some reason you feel like it's taxing you,
you're overly sore, you're not recovering,
you feel like you're not getting good rest,
then we might be doing too much.
And then I would go back to Maps Anabolic
and just switch out squats for that.
So I think we send you aesthetic and you had that direction.
And then you'll see on focus days, you have the, you have the opportunity to
pick one or two muscle groups that you want to focus on since legs are your
primary focus and I've seen your upper body looks incredible.
I would put all my focus on, you know, quads and hamstrings or
hamstrings and glutes or something.
So pick two muscle groups like that.
And then, and then in there, we teach you like how to, what
exercises to pick on those days.
And it's just lower intensity workouts. The focus sessions are lower intensity than the
foundational workouts. So we'll send that to you if you don't have it, Haley. And then
bump the calories. Listen to your body. If you start to feel like it's too much volume,
cut the volume down by a good third. So do maybe, you know, a third less sets per
exercise. Don't wait until you burn out because then we'd have to backtrack.
Okay.
Does Amy listen to the podcast?
Yeah, I think, I think she will. Yeah. I shared it with my family.
You guys, I heard you guys are in Gilroy. Is that right?
Yeah.
If you and Amy want to come down and watch a live recording, let me know. Send back the same
place you emailed before and I'll have them arrange it to where you guys can come in and watch a live
recording. Oh, that would be so fun. She would love that too. That would be great. Very cool.
And then we can talk more about how your journey's going and good luck with the wedding coming up.
Yeah. Oh, awesome. Yeah. Thank you so much. You got it. Thanks for calling in.
Yeah. Nice to meet you guys. Thank you. Yeah. So, you know, for people listening, there are exceptions to the rules that we tend to make, you know, when someone says, oh, I can't squat
because it bothers me. Um, we tend to say, well, we're going to figure out how to squat, but
you have a rod in your leg. Yeah. So there are, it's a very good exception. Yeah, exactly. I mean,
I've worked with people like this
where there was something surgical.
They like to have metal put on their body
and they're limited.
Or I had people with ankle procedures done
where they had a replacement.
They just had a limited range of motion.
And you just literally have to work around it.
Totally.
Yeah, I think our messaging around squatting
and deadlifting the big lifts is primarily,
and the reason why I think we drive so hard
is because so many people miss that
and it's the biggest bang for your buck movement.
It doesn't mean that I can't build a program
and show somebody incredible results and not use them.
I will say this, you know,
and I think we really gotta kind of celebrate
the shift in the industry.
I mean, did you guys ever hear a young
woman ask you how to gain muscle? I know. Now we're getting questions like that
all the time. Well, and they're already strong. For my wedding, for my wedding. I never
heard that before. Yeah, and she's deadlifting 200 pounds for five. Yeah. 20
bodyweight push-ups, benching 95, pulling up 12 times. I mean, that's incredible.
Yeah, that's great. So it's awesome.
Our next caller is Madison from Minnesota.
Hi Madison.
How can we help you?
Hey guys, how's it going?
Good.
Pretty good.
Good.
So recently, I guess I'll just get right to my question.
I don't think it really needs any background,
but I recently picked up your maps anabolic program.
And I was listening to a different episode the other day where you told
the caller if they planned on doing the advanced three day schedule or whatever.
To, uh, not worry about the trigger sessions.
And I guess my question is, is, was that more specific towards his situation?
Should I be doing the trigger sessions?
If I'm doing the three day version?
I do.
And this is a confusion.
There's a confusion here.
So we have two programs.
There's maps anabolic and then there's maps and a bullet advanced.
Now maps anabolic, the original one within that there's two ways to do it.
One is a two day a week and then the other is a three day a week version.
And we, we call the three day a week version on there and we need to make sure we
change this, the more advanced version.
The caller was asking about the other program, Maps Anabolic Advanced,
I think, which is different.
So, yeah.
So you're following the original Maps Anabolic, the three day a week version.
Yeah.
Still do the trigger sessions.
Yes.
The other, the other program, the Maps Anabolic Advanced program doesn't have trigger sessions in it. It's a totally different. Yes. Yeah the the other the other program the maps anabolic advanced program doesn't have trigger sessions in it
It's a totally different. Yeah, it's a totally different program
Yeah, since we got since we got you on the phone and we are talking about this
It's it I always like to clarify the trigger sessions to when you do them
It's not like the rest of your your training and your workout there. It's really light. It's really easy
It should not be something that just getting a little pump. You shouldn't break a sweat. It shouldn't.
You shouldn't be struggling to finish the reps. You're literally just kind of pumping
blood in the muscles. That's it. It's supposed to be, it should be feel more rejuvenating.
You should do it and feel energy energized afterwards and not like you did a workout.
So the one mistake people make when they do trigger sessions is they overdo them. They're
designed to like facilitate recovery.
And so it's more about just sending a signal real light and easy.
Just keep that in mind.
Did you just start the program?
Oh, no.
So I currently have about six weeks left in my current program with a local trainer and
I just happened to pick it up because it was on sale for half off.
So thank you guys.
Yeah, you got it.
I can't wait to hear about how it goes for you.
Yeah, especially somebody who's got experience.
Thank you. Well, thank you guys so much.
You got it. Thanks for calling in.
Yeah, no problem.
Yeah, we need to change how we refer to that. I just realized that's pretty confusing to somebody who doesn't know.
Yeah, right.
Because in the...
We'll just refer to it as a three-day version, I guess.
somebody who doesn't know. Yeah, I do.
Right?
We'll just refer to it as a three day version, I guess.
Because we have a specific program
that's called Maps Antibolic Advanced,
which is totally different programming.
It is not the same programming.
It's a different program.
No, it was just on the anniversary of Antibolic
and it was just.
Yeah, it's a mistake you and Doug made.
Yeah.
Yeah.
That was before.
And then I followed it up with performance advanced.
That was pre-Justin and Adam, you know what I know I'm saying yeah we would have caught that top selling program
Yeah, it all started before
before my
Then Justin I arrived
Critically claimed
You're welcome our next caller is Chris from California, What's up, Chris? How can we help you?
What up Chris? Fitness saviors. What is up?
Put that in my bio.
So as expected little starstruck, little nervous.
So can I start off with a little trivia?
Let's hear it. You need some music. Just to kind of break the ice. All right. Let's hear it. You need some music?
Just to kind of break the ice.
All right.
Okay.
Let's hear it.
All right.
So first off, Sal, I was trying to find something,
but I didn't think I'd be able to stump you.
Oh wow.
Or impress you.
Okay.
So I'm gonna move on to Adam.
Low hanging fruit.
He's like seven plus 12.
Disregard, Sal., how many acids are there? This is not going well for you
so far. Let's see how this goes. Well, this is going to be oh for two. So I'm going to
start this off with go Kings. Go Kings. All right, let's go. Let's hear that. Let's hear
the trivia. What'd you got for me? Well, I was hoping to come across something where the Kings would be better than the Warriors, but unfortunately I couldn't find it.
So I got nothing.
I mean, your record this year.
How about that? You guys are doing better than us right now.
So we got you this year, but I was hoping for an for an all time Kings were going to have the better record.
But that ain't the case.
Yeah, no, that's not it.
All right. What you got? Justin? Okay. Justin.
I'm on Justin. You and I connect brother.
Kind of look at you. Yeah. You kind of look like you guys. You're like my
doppelganger.
You can come sit here for me. Sometimes I loved your story a couple of episodes ago. So I got some timely stuff for you here. You ready? Okay. Yeah, let's get it
water beds water beds
Right
The first water bed was invented in 1833 by Scottish physician Neil Arnott
They were invented to prevent bed sores
and were placed in hospitals around the world.
Oh, that's an interesting fact.
Okay.
Now the modern water bed,
aptly named the pleasure bed,
the pleasure bed,
were made mainstream by Charles C. Hall
and helped conceive an entire generation.
Some of you know what I'm talking about.
Yeah.
Oh yeah. And he was Scottish. I like it, I like it, Chris. What of you know what I'm talking about. Yeah.
Any Scottish.
I like it. I like it, Chris.
What do you got for us?
What can we do for you, buddy?
Let me start with all the thank yous and appreciation.
You guys are the best.
Uh, I truly mean it when I say, um, sorry, a little starstruck again, but you guys are putting us trainers, trainers
like myself on the right path when we've been kind of guided down the wrong path for a while
now.
So I appreciate that.
On a personal note, when it comes to this, I got this email yesterday and I got so anxious
and so excited at the same time. And I almost said no, because of that anxiety.
But I just want to express that this is just another example and another way that you're
helping somebody who got into the fitness industry to help people, but has never really
been in front of a camera or done things like this and it's not comfortable.
So this is just another way to get me out of my comfort zone and to grow.
Awesome.
So I truly, truly appreciate it.
He is like Justin.
You like cheese too or what?
I do like cheese. You're right. Okay.
So my,
my inexperience in this industry kind of led to this question is more of a
journal entry, but, uh,
but it turned out to be an email on a question
that you guys get to answer.
So I appreciate your help with this.
But I have a couple of clients that I was transitioning
out of a maps anabolic type program.
There are athletes, hockey players, recreational sports,
golf, things like that.
And so I wanted to get them into a program that I loved,
which is performance. Now the problem I wanted to get them into a program that I loved, which is performance.
Now the problem I was kind of running into is that there are only two day a week clients. So I know
when you get a program like performance, how much dedication that is with either five days a week
with the mobility sessions and everything else. So my question is kind of two parts on a business side, but then also
here with programming is as I was trying to draw up these programs a few months ago when I did this, I was trying to figure out how to include the mobility, but also the great foundation
workouts into one for a two day a week session. Now is that only because of financial reasons
that they're coming to see you at that
or is that because they can only come to the gym
that many days?
Cause that would determine how to answer this.
Well I love that you said that
because I meant to tell you that but I forgot.
So with this, with the majority of them, it's a time thing.
Okay.
Okay.
So a couple ways I would approach this and you said that they played sports on their
own or some recreational activities.
There's two approaches that I would have with this.
The first approach would be, and you have to know your client to know whether or not
this would be an option, but I did have some clients that I could teach 10 to 15 minute mobility type drills to, that
I could trust that they would do on their own before they went out to do their runs
or their swims or whatever that they were involved in.
So that would handle a nice chunk of the mobility.
Now there are other clients that I had where I knew that they just wouldn't be consistent
with that or I felt like I'd have to monitor them when they would do those the drills because otherwise it
wouldn't really reap value. So the way that I would approach either one is the
people who I trusted could do the mobility stuff on their own. I would do
traditional you know appropriate strength training on those two days. The
ones who I felt you know probably needed some guidance it'd be 50-50. One day
would be strength training, another day would be mobility focused,
or both workouts would be 50-50,
mobility and then strength training.
So it really depends on who, you know, your client
and what you know about them.
Yeah, I think for me, like, if I'm looking at it
as building a ritual, like kind of to Sal's point of like,
limiting it down to just a few very impactful mobility drills,
uh, that I could either use as a primer before the workout. Um,
or like in between on days where they have like,
even if it's before their sport, like athletes are very ritualistic. And so to,
to build that in is like their warmup and you get real specific with that in
terms of
like if they have any kind of shoulder restriction or hip type of a restriction there that we
can address before they get into their, you know, fast paced like sports explosive movement,
that would be ideal.
And really that's in there just to kind of reinforce better movement patterns on these
mobility days.
It does take a while.
So it's like, I mean, half an hour or 45 minutes of just doing that.
So to add that in front of your workouts on the foundation days might be a bit much.
So you know, reducing it down, just the most impactful exercise you could find for that
very individual client.
I think that would be the way I'd handle it.
There's also one more variable that you need to consider too, Chris, that we haven't talked
about these clients is how many days a week are they doing these recreational sports?
Because if they're doing, if they're like, let's say bat, whatever sport it is, let's
say it's basketball and they're already playing three to four days a week, then what I do
on the two days that I see them in the gym is different than what if they're playing
basketball once or twice a week.
So that needs to be accounted for too. in the gym is different than what if they're playing basketball once or twice a week. So
that needs to be accounted for too. So if you have somebody who is playing recreational sports,
but pretty high volume, which would be any more than three days a week, then I'm only
going to strength train them one day a week and then the other day is skills or mobility
type stuff to compliment their sport or the thing they like doing. So that's an important
variable that it may be different for each one of these
clients that we would dictate what I do on those two days also.
And you could pull from, uh, and I don't know,
I don't know if you have our math performance advanced program, uh,
but that one has the skills training in it. And so, you know,
if you have someone who's doing a lot of recreational stuff outside, I might,
one of my days might be just a skills.
Honestly, I think that's a great, like it, it already is just two days
structurally. Um, and it's advanced, but at the same time too, if you're,
if you're coaching somebody through it, yeah, you can regress it.
You could adjust things super easy.
I think that's an even better program for you to, uh, mirror off of.
Well, do you have that? If you don't have that, we'll send that to you.
Do you have it?
Yeah, I did get it. Um, I've, I've kind of, uh, do you have that? If you don't have that, we'll send that to you. Do you have it? Yeah, I did get it.
I've kind of looked through it a little bit.
I haven't looked through it in depth, though.
Yeah, that would serve.
By the way, do you have our coaching certification course?
So I did your free three-day seminar,
and then at the time I just couldn't financially afford to get into it.
Okay. All right. There's a monthly option, by the way. You could pay monthly on it as well,
but nonetheless, how did you like the three-day course? Did it help you at all?
Yeah, it was great. I have a lot of information saved from whether it was Adam pitching on how
to close clients and pay scale and that interview with the client. Yeah. I loved it. Awesome. Good.
I'm glad you, I'm glad you got value at it. It's, it's up now. Um,
and you can watch it over and over again, if you want.
We have it at mind pump trainer course.com and uh, you know,
we train trainers for a long time. So
I would love to see you in there, bro, cause that's an ongoing program.
When you get inside the program, it's not just what we create in there.
There's also like, uh, just yesterday was Steve hosted a live, ongoing training,
yeah, alive, how to get, how to generate leads, you know, for an hour and a half,
he was talking to everybody in there on ways for trainers to generate leads.
And so, I mean, our goal was when you invest in it, I know it can be, it can be
pricing, especially for a trainer, trying to build their, their business.
Uh, most people are seeing the return within the first
30 to 60 days on selling either a bigger package,
generating more leads, so it kind of pays for itself.
So if you can get in there, it'd be great.
Love to see you in there.
But at the very least, just to save that sight
and go through the course and practice
makes a really big difference for most trainers
in terms of building their business.
Good question when it comes to training active clients and, you know,
how you're going to train them. I mean, look, to be quite frank and honest,
I, the vast, vast, vast majority of my clients,
I trained two days a week.
Very rarely did I have a client come more than two days a week.
And I'm even talking about clients that were pretty advanced.
There's a lot you could do.
You get real far with just two days a week.
Very far with just two days a week.
I mean, Doug trained with me for two days a week for years
and hit some crazy lifts and.
I actually trained most of my clients
three to four days a week, but at also at the same time
didn't need to when I think about it.
When I go back and go like, you know,
what I know now and how I would coach.
Well, you went into training trainers afterwards for a while.
And so it was different.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So, uh, but yeah, no, what I know now is I would have done it.
And I also probably approached this the wrong way with a lot of athletes, right?
Like, uh, the way I decided on how, how hard or how many days of the training
was based off of their availability.
Not, I was never taking an account like, Oh, you're playing
basketball four days a week.
The rest of the week.
And yeah, I looked at the two days. You know, that was like're playing basketball four days a week. Yeah, the rest of the week and adding up that stress.
I looked at the two days.
That was like what I'd made a mistake as a trainer,
as a young trainer training somebody like this.
And so that's why that's so important.
We didn't talk about that variable,
but if that person's only playing
pickup basketball once a week,
the programming looks completely different
than the guy who's playing basketball
three to four days a week
on what you're doing with them on those two days.
Totally, and the beauty who's playing basketball three to four days a week on what you're doing with them on those two days. Totally. And the beauty of strength training is you don't need much at all, uh,
to reap the benefits. And in many cases,
people who are very active doing recreational sports or even just, you know,
playing on a team, very little strength training is needed.
And more than that is often too much.
Our next question is from Amber from Nevada.
Hi Amber. How you doing Amber?
How can we help you?
Hey guys.
What's happening?
Great.
I'm so obsessed with y'all.
I started listening to you guys in May of 2021.
And that's because during the pandemic, my show in Las Vegas closed as well as I
was teaching at SoulCycle also closed.
So I launched a gym out of my garage
and started training clients.
And I had all this knowledge because from like 20 years ago
when I entered a bodybuilding contest in college.
And so I had some knowledge and then as a dancer
and then a SoulCycle instructor,
but I just was so kind of out of date with programming
and what is current these days.
And so thankfully I stumbled upon you guys.
So thank you. Awesome. So you're in the coaching program too? Are you in the mind pump coaching?
I am in the coaching program. I sure am. How's that going so far? You know, if I'm being
honest, I haven't really tapped into that yet. I've just been, so I still dance. I'm
43 years old.
I still dance in a Vegas show, it's called Purple Rain.
It's a Prince tribute show at Planet Hollywood.
And then I also direct and choreograph
for a minor league basketball team
called the San Diego Sharks.
And so I'm doing that.
And then I was teaching at SoulCycle 10 classes a week
but we just closed in January.
So a little bit more breathing room
and then I just do extra getting extra. So I haven't,
plus I'm training clients. So I haven't really had a moment to like,
Yeah, you sound lazy Amber.
Okay.
But I will have some time because kind of around my question is, I do have breast implants and I
have clients with breast implants. And I wanted to know if there is certain training that would be more beneficial or that I should focus on and make
sure that is in every program. I mean a certain exercise, reps and sets or if there's also
exercises that I should avoid. And then secondly, I am getting my breast implants out because I'm
dealing with capsular contracture
for the third time.
And I'll be getting those out in two weeks.
So how to go about navigating,
getting slowly back into the training,
especially because I'm down for six weeks of healing
because my pectoralis muscle is being reattached.
So when you do some muscular implantation, they cut some of the pectoralis muscles. So my doctor's reattached. So when you do some muscular, uh, implantation, they cut some of the pectoralis muscle.
So my doctor's reattaching. So I have to be down for six weeks.
So what are some great exercises or ways to ease back in post
explant surgery?
Yeah. Great, great question. Okay. So,
and two questions really in there.
Yeah. So difference between recovery and training somebody who's had them for a
while or totally different majority of people who get implants do
it under the muscle and so you want to be careful with heavy strength training
in the pec area because it can cause the implant to shift and it can cause the
capsule that contains the implant to move and so you can start to get some
movement underneath.
And so typically the advice is when they're fully healed
and everything works good, you know, everything's good,
is to go light with chest exercises
and not overemphasize on heavy presses.
But you can do overhead presses
and you can work on shoulder mobility
and strengthening the upper back.
Now for you, when you are cleared to exercise,
the important thing is to avoid frozen shoulder,
which can sometimes happen with a procedure like that.
So what you wanna really work on is shoulder mobility
and scapular mobility to prevent any kind of frozen shoulder
or shoulder mobility issues that can sometimes happen
post surgery.
And then just a little side note, there are also, and you may be aware of this and maybe your surgeon knows
this already, but there are peptides that you can use post-surgery that accelerate
healing and also help prevent scar tissue from developing. And you're seeing
now some doctors use these peptides post-surgery with scar formation
or just any kind of healing post-surgery.
I believe thymus and beta and BPC157 are the two that they'll use.
Don't quote me on that.
We have doctors that we work with at mphormones.com and you could ask them and say, hey, look,
post-surgery, I'd like to avoid developing scar tissue. I'd like for my skin, my muscle, everything to heal
uniformly, what are the best peptides to use? And they can advise you on that. But as far as
workouts are concerned, shoulder and scapular mobility is what you want to work on because
you'll be limited for a bit in this kind of forward shoulder position. And sometimes I'm sure you've experienced this with either clients or you said you had previous procedures yourself.
Getting out of that, you start to lose shoulder mobility and in bad cases you get frozen shoulder and that's a pain to get out of.
Yeah, I'd say the most common thing I saw with all my clients that had breast implants was just the forward head and rounded shoulders.
And so just putting a lot of emphasis on the posterior chain. So rear delt flies, anything, rhomboids, traps,
I'm going to focus a lot on that.
And then when I do train chest, it's going to be moderate intensity.
So I'm going to do a lot of incline presses.
If I'm doing flies and exercise like that, I'm just going to really moderate.
I'm not pushing heavy weight.
I'm not trying to hit PRs with my clients that have that.
And I'm focusing more on the shoulder mobility and training the upper back.
Those exercises are where I'm going to focus most of my time.
Yeah.
Now, some good news around this, Amber, is that if you were to avoid any upper body heavy
strength training, that would be where I would choose.
Because if you were to avoid really strength training
in the back, you could cause some problems.
If you were really avoiding strength training
with overhead exercises, you could cause some problems.
But heavy horizontal pressing, bench pressing, heavy flies,
like if you were to avoid those for the rest of your life,
you'd be perfectly fine.
In fact, old time strength athletes
didn't even do horizontal pressing, they didn't even have benches.
Benches didn't get used till the forties and fifties.
And a lot of that is because we're so anteriorly driven.
We do everything in front of us in that position anyway.
So it's not like the body's not getting any activity in that position.
It's getting tons of activity in that position.
So it is an area where you can skip or just train very light.
So, and you're not going to lose much of anything at all.
Okay, great.
Now there is post-explantation, there is a fluffing stage, nine to 12 months,
where the breast tissue finally starts to settle down to kind of, I don't have
children and I've always been really lean.
And so I'm hoping to avoid a breast lift.
avoid a breast lift? And so what would be some ways to help maybe organically work a breast lift through strength training so that I don't have to go under the knife? Would
there be specific exercises and stuff?
Upper chest.
Incline presses.
Yeah.
That's why I made that. Yeah. Incline pressing. That's primarily what I would do. I wouldn't
even do honestly flat horizontal pressing or flies. pressing or flies. If I trained chest at all for my clients that had breast implants, it
was all incline. It was all for that exact reason.
Okay.
Yeah.
Great.
Yeah, that's pretty much it. But the peptides, I'd really look into Amber because I actually
know people now that are using peptides with augmentation to prevent even capsular contraction with people
because it helps prevent scar tissue buildup.
Really interesting stuff.
I'd look into it if I were you.
Just to kind of see.
If she goes to MP Hormones,
can she get a consultation, just ask that?
That's 100%.
Okay, yeah. Yeah, 100%.
And I would say, hey, I'm gonna get this procedure.
What are the best peptides to help with the healing process?
Cause they've got some interesting data
on how collagen heals using peptides versus not.
And you're seeing like less instances of scar tissue.
You know, some people will develop
when they get a cut of keloid,
they're using it for that type of stuff as well.
So it's really interesting stuff.
Great, I am working with a functional medicine practitioner, pre and post.
And then I've even with this last set of implants, I have stratus, which is a,
you can use a pig tissue or a cadaver tissue around the implant to prevent
the capsular contracture, but after eight years it's happened again.
So I'm just getting the, unfortunately.
Yeah.
It's interesting.
Cause, you know, um,
people who tend to get that are more likely to get it again for some reason.
And I know, and I know, um, I actually trained a surgeon, uh,
one of the top surgeons in the, in Silicon Valley. And she would, uh, she was,
she had a really, really interesting way of trying to prevent that.
Cause she thought it had to do with bacteria that would enter into the area.
She had a better success rate, but even she told me if people have had it before, they're
much more likely to get it again and they're not 100% sure on why that tends to happen.
But the peptides are very interesting.
Like I said, some functional medicine practitioners work with them, but like I said, the doctors
that we have that we work with, this is what they do. They work with peptides and yeah.
And you could, I mean, anybody can use peptides. So.
Okay, great. I appreciate your time. Thanks so much guys.
No problem. And Amber, we hope to see you in that forum with the trainers.
Yeah, I will. I'll let you know what? I have six weeks of recovery.
So I will definitely tap into that. That all the time.
Yeah. Oh, thanks again.
The cool chair. I do. Yeah. She was sitting in. What room is that?
I was like, I'm a,
did you see if she has her own podcast or does something that I imagine she
probably has a mic. Yeah, she has a mic and has a setup like that.
She probably creates content. Yeah.
I mean speaking of these peptides for this kind of stuff,
I didn't know there was something like that. Oh yeah.
What is it?
Do you know what it is?
I think it's, gosh, I think it's thymus and beta.
I'm really upset because I don't know for sure.
But use, like some people develop more, some people are more prone to scar tissue
than others.
Post-surgery?
Yeah, dude.
And these peptides, like if you look at scar tissue and how the collagen
comes together and heals, there's a different layering process versus when there is no scar tissue.
And I believe it's thymus and beta. Again, don't quote me on this,
but it encourages more of a natural healing process or healing process,
I should say, that doesn't produce scar tissue.
And so my prediction is you're going to see these kind of forward,
you know, leaning these, these know, leaning these clinics that are really
on the cutting edge, they're gonna start using peptides
with their procedures because the outcomes are gonna be,
you know, much better.
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