Pardon My Take - NBA With Kirk Goldsberry, Final Draft Preview With Daniel Jeremiah & Field Yates, Max's 5 Stages Of Sixers Grief + Guys On Chicks
Episode Date: April 24, 2024The Mavs and Pacers tied up the series and Anthony Edwards is a prophet when it comes to Jaden McDaniels (00:00:00-00:14:55). The Capitals are up 2-0 based on PFT's advanced analytics (00:14:55-00:24:...22). We talk about the crazy Monday in playoffs. Max dealing with his 5 stages of grief after the Sixers loss and the Lakers still can't beat the Nuggets (00:24:22-00:39:03). Hot Seat/Cool Throne including KD back to Oklahoma City, Broncos new uniforms (00:39:03-01:18:10). Kirk Goldsberry joins us to talk NBA playoffs, what the Lakers can do and the Sixers heartbreaking loss (01:18:10-01:39:53). Daniel Jeremiah joins the show to talk NFL Draft, how many players at each position are 2 contract guys, diamonds in the rough and how a war room operates (01:39:53-02:11:48). Field Yates joins us before he hosts on ABC Thursday Night to talk about some of the interesting draft stories and guys, how many mistakes we'll defend him on and more (02:11:48-02:50:04). We finish with guys on chicks (02:50:04-03:01:09).You can find every episode of this show on Apple Podcasts, Spotify or YouTube. Prime Members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. For more, visit barstool.link/PardonMyTake
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The crown is yours. Today is Wednesday, April
24th and PFT in the words of Anthony Edwards, they got KD, but we got Jayden McDaniels.
That's what happened. That's what happened for the Timberwolves. Yeah. He said that on
February 9th, 2023 when the sons traded for Kevin Durant and he was asked
about that trade and what the West is going to look like. And
he said, we got Jay McDaniels and Jay McDaniels was the best
player on the court tonight. He did it. He outscored KD by seven
points. He was awesome. They got Jay McDaniels.
The sons are dead. I proclaimed
it. The sons are dead. Uh they
don't look like they have any
life to them whatsoever. They
look they look at me. Mcbradly
Beal looks pretty bad. Um no
trade clause by the way for
Bradley Beal. So, I think he's
like the six highest player in
the NBA. They're going to be
stuck with that for a little
bit. Um I can't tell the sons.
I don't think the sons were going to do anything in these playoffs anyways But I also think that the Timberwolves might just be good
The Timberwolves are good and they're deep like Jay McDaniels was out was better than Carl Anthony Towns and Anthony Edwards tonight
Mike Conley was incredible just dicing them up pick and roll with Rudy go bear like the the the Timberwolves two stars
Did not play great and the Timberwolves still won easily because they're
just so much better defensively and the Suns play Iso ball
like I it's it's terrible basketball to watch and yeah, I
think the Timberwolves are really really good and I just
love that that that Anthony Edwards quote turned out to be
prophetic with the they got KD, we got
Jay McTainless. Everyone laughed at him. He was dead right.
Yeah, the Suns offense typically looks to be it is actually heliocentric in the words
of our good friend Ryan Russo, but you just you drive to the bucket and then you kick
it out and you panic. So it's like usually Booker, he'll take it towards the hole, defense collapses
on him and then he's like, oh shit, what I do tries to find a guy on the outside, makes
a clumsy pass, ends up with a bad three point opportunity. It's just, it's a tough, tough
offense to watch right now.
Yeah. And Katie just stands around and he, he'll, he gets his points, but he just like,
it, it is very tough to watch. And they, they, you said it on Monday, they, they miss Chris
Paul and I know they don't miss actual Chris Paul
at this age, but they miss a point guard because Devin Booker
is not a point guard.
He's a great player, but he's not a point guard and it's like
their offense just looks like crap and I do think though
they'll still win a game or two here going back to Phoenix,
but the Timberwolves just look younger fresher hungrier better
defensively.
They're ready to go.
I should say, thinking back to the term heliocentric, the way that Ryan uses it.
Yeah, you didn't use it right. That's okay.
No, no, no, but I did in a weird way because they're heliocentric, but with like three
different players.
Three sons. They have three sons.
Three sons. They have three sons and the earth revolves around all three of those sons at the same time.
But whenever those guys get the ball, it's like they're the only guy on the court. There's only one ball.
Also, shout out Frank Vogel. Maybe don't use your last time out with seven minutes or eight minutes left in the game.
That felt like maybe not. Maybe you want to hold on to at least one. Not that I thought the game was going to go different because of that,
but that was a head scratcher. I was like, what is going on?
Like if you need to change anything, if you need this time out later,
you're just fucked.
What's all the all the separate runs that the Timberwolves end up going on?
And Vogel's like, got to stop this run. Got to take the air out of the ball real quick.
But that happened too many times and you didn't have enough timeouts.
I also have a vibe stat for this game and it has nothing. It's based on absolutely nothing. I'm
sure someone will actually give me the stats and say I'm wrong. I don't think Devin Booker is good
when he wears a headband. I don't know why. I think maybe his head is too constricted.
He wears a tight headband. There might be the case. I think it his head is too constricted. I he wears a tight headband There might be the case
I think it has partially do that also partially not having the offense run like a cohesive offense where you have like you said a
Facilitator somebody that's like in charge of what's going on in the court and then he plays off that guy
But the headband also makes a difference. Yeah, and then the Sun's offense is horrific to watch
You know in these last two games makes a difference. Yeah. And then the Sun's offense is horrific to watch. Um, you know,
in these last two games, it also is the Timberwolves defense just being so goddamn good. And they're
so like they're in your face. Just don't. They've just been playing such good basketball.
It's like Rudy Rudy go bear might be Hank's best opportunity for a Yoko stopper. Oh, we're
just finding Yeah, but the matchup and and I came back. I'm doing a lot of I'm doing a lot of matchup research. Okay. Give us your
massive matchup research. Clippers are more physical.
They got the they got the stars in the perimeter physical
front. They also run on offense that can sometimes look very
bogged down and like a bunch of dudes standing in the paint
like what are we doing but yeah, they are physical. Kwai
came back. We We lost our who comes
back first, Giannis or Kwai. And he came back in the in the
best. What did you say? Kwai wasn't come back first? I said
Kwai. I said Kwai can come back any day. Yeah, I mean he
did it in the most Kwai fashion where he just showed up at
practice today like walked in and everyone's like, oh is he
playing? Okay, he's playing and then they lost so they probably need him to get injured again. Yeah, I don't know what that was about because
he's been out what since late March? Yeah, he's been since the end of March. Yeah. Yeah,
the end of March and you would think that if he was good for game two, he would have
been for good for game one, right? Like we're talking about a matter of days here and I
read some there was some report out there,
I forget who actually put it out,
somebody could find it.
But they were saying that Kawhi has been working
his way back and this has been the target timeframe
for a couple weeks now.
But I guess just two days ago, it wasn't right.
It wasn't right, it had to be just perfectly good for him.
Yeah, had to be exactly what he needs.
The Mavs were like, when Kyrie and Luca are both playing
like they did tonight, they are fun to watch,
and Luca is, what was the line from Ion Eagle?
Jake, I'm sure you loved it.
You might've creamed your dockers there.
He said, he is that guy, or something like that.
What do you say?
I think that was it.
Yeah, and it was true. Like Luca, I love Luca just shit talks too. He'll hit a big shot, and he'll just turn around that. What do you say? I think
say, Luca just stares at the ref screams at him or at the very least just like stares daggers at him and mean mugs him. It got so bad tonight actually that he got teed up for
saying the for saying the end word and one. Yeah. And he was right. It wasn't and one
but they gave it a technical foul. And then I think James Harden made a free throw for
the Clippers. Yeah, it wasn't one technically. But it was just the very rare and one for
the team that didn't score. I just like it was the end one technically, but it was just
the very rare end one for the
team that didn't score. I just
like it. I don't know. He's
just got he's got that **** to
him. He also Luca has to lead
the league in in garments worn
during the game. I feel like
he's I feel like we're going to
get to a point where Luca just
where he plays a game and he's
just like there's no skin
showing. Yeah or he what he might do is come out there with like two full sleeves and then they're
like tear away like tear away pants. So like he has way the forearm on one for the first
quarter entire sleeve on another leaves just a wristband behind maybe. But yeah, my take
was that Luca, I think Luca desperately needs therapy. But I also think that it would be
very, very bad for him as a basketball player. I feel like that shit that he has makes him excellent, but he's just, he's always
angry. Yeah, he is. He's always angry. And then the last game we had in the NBA was
Pacers, Bucs. I want to, you know what, I'm gonna put my hand up and retract
what I said on Sunday when I said if the Bucs played the Celtics, Giannis would be
the best player and then the next four best players would be on the Celtics.
A lot of Bucs fans. I heard you. I like that. You're listening. You're mad.
You're angry. I like that. Let's get, let's get the bait going.
I think the second best player in the series would actually be Damien Lillard
in the first half.
And then the eighth best player in the series would be Damien Lillard in the
second half. So that's my correction. Cause he was awesome again in the first half and then he just ran out
of gas. He's their only option right now. He just ran out of gas. I actually have Pat Bev as the
best player and then Giannis and then the Celtics, then Dave. Yeah, that was one of those takes I
just threw as a throwaway and then I heard from a lot of people,
I still think I'd probably take three Celtics, maybe not four,
but three, over Dane.
But we can have that debate.
We can continue to have that debate.
But this was a very classic case of they need Giannis very
badly because Pascal Siakam was incredible.
And they, again, ran out of gas.
Damian Lillard was so good in the first half and in the second half
there were stretches where he wasn't touching the ball. It's like he there the Bucks are an older roster
and the Pacers were like we're just gonna run all over them and it worked. They ran them out of they
they just ran them out of the gym. A few times in the second half the Bucks looked like it was gonna
be a game. They looked like they were getting within that striking distance, and then you'd look up and the Pacers had opened up like a nine point lead within a matter of seconds on him.
Yeah, and Tyrese Halbert is so good. He's so good at making everyone else good. I know that's a very stupid thing to say, but it's like if you watch it, he is just good at making everyone else good.
Yeah, yeah, he's also got a crazy voice, which I had never heard until I listened to his postgame press conference. Have you heard him talk?
I don't know if I have.
He's got a very, it's like a super smooth, unexpected voice.
Okay.
Yeah.
Alright. So shout out, shout out Tyrese Halberton.
One of the better ones in the NBA, I'd say.
Well, and I, the last thing I had on this game is I don't, I don't actually know what
Jay Crowder does, but he's on another team in the playoffs he's got the best career of just being on teams in the
playoffs I don't know I mean Doc Rivers people will blame Doc Rivers because he's
easy foil the Bucs have like major problems when yeah duh major problems
when Yannis is out on the court because they have to play guys that probably
shouldn't be on the court as much as they are and Jay Crowder is I just don't
know what he does. Jay Crowder he'll hit some like unexpected
threes occasionally for you he'll hustle he's physical I think he's a leader I
think his teammates like him a lot but yeah that's the way he bounces around he's
always on a playoff team always finds himself in the conversation sometime in
like mid-May there's always a nice team yeah he seems like a cool guy to be
teammates with so I think that's what his value is
It's like I enjoy hanging out with Jay Crowder. Yeah, but then you can't have Jay Crowder playing 15 minutes in a playoff game
Not I'm down for all that. Yeah, that is that actually is intangibles that you need but
He probably shouldn't be he probably shouldn't be playing in the series. He's like a like a slightly
better you don't as Haslem for the last like four or five Haslem seasons. Yeah, he's just he's he's
cooked. And yeah, I mean, this is gonna be a fun series. I hope he honest comes back. I I still think
like it will be a competitive series even if if he honest comes back. But it just it's like Pascal
Siakam was so good. it's just like yeah you need
yanis to guard him i don't know what else you could do if yanis comes back you also won't be
100% yanis yeah true although i take 75% yanis right beat 75% Embiid.
Oh, well, is Embiid ever at 75%?
No. So he's actually, I'm talking about like 75% of 50%.
Got it. Yes. Yeah, I'd agree with that. We're gonna talk all the Monday night stuff back in studio.
This is just for all the games that finished late.
So don't worry.
We get into all of that.
PFT, would you like to break down advanced analytics
on the Capitals game?
Yeah, I mean, I'll keep it real quick.
It was a tough loss tonight.
But using the proprietary algorithm
that we set forward after game one,
the Capitals actually win this game three goals to two. So the caps take a commanding to nil series lead on
the road and we're coming back to DC Verizon Center on Friday
going to be incredible. Hopefully clinch it at home after
two more home wins. But what I have here I'm going to I'm going
to eliminate three minutes from the game and show how the caps
won. So I think it's 1540 in the second period.
Uh, the caps got called for penalty.
You would think that I would want to keep that on the board, but what actually happened was the Rangers scored a shorthand goal.
They probably should have scored three shorthanded goals tonight.
It was, it was atrocious power play by the caps. Um,
so they got a shorthanded goal.
So I would wipe that off the board entirely. And also during the game,
um, it was pretty obvious that the real score of the game was three
for the caps, three for the Rangers, one for the referees because the refs just absolutely
gave that game to the Rangers.
And also they didn't call an egregious hit on TJ Oshie, which Tom Wilson would have been
thrown into volcano if he had done it.
He would have been kicked out of the league and murdered if that was him throwing that
hit in there.
So I'm taking that one goal, the shorthanded goal off in
the three minutes and then the Capitals then win that game three goals to two goals and
then one goal still for the rest.
Okay. So up to nothing. Now, what would we say to the haters that being like, I wish
this was the Red Wings?
I would probably agree with the haters.
Okay. Give the haters.
Today.
Listen, listen, hey, sometimes the haters.
Sometimes the haters absolutely are correct.
Yeah.
And I think that hats off to the haters.
They call this one.
So you nailed it.
I agree.
I agree with all of them.
You're absolutely right.
And I will admit when I've been bested by you and you guys had
you guys had it right from the start, but it's it's a tough series to watch so far.
Ovi had one shot on goal in this game.
And then at the very end of the game with I think like a second left, maybe half a second left puck on a stick front of the crease and the puck just kind of scoots by him. It's it's been tough to like when Spencer Carberry has the balls to call out Alexander Ovechkin
You know that there's a real problem and having your head coach call you out publicly like that after game probably deserved
He needs to show up. He needs to do something cuz he was great the second half of the season
But he looks like he just doesn't want to be out there
Shit, but we're up to nothing. We're up to nothing right now
The Red Wings are probably have already won the, if they were in it, because they're
way better than the Gaps.
But yeah, we're up by two games right now,
and we'll see what happens on Friday.
And we should just mention, I mean,
that Lightning Panthers game was some of the best
goal-attending ever for like two and a half,
or it was about a period and a half,
because it was like from half, or whatever,
somewhere in the second period till the till
they went to overtime was just insane. It was it should have been like a six six game.
Bob made one of the greatest saves ever diving back across the crease. I it was just it was
awesome playoff hockey and then it was a great goal in overtime. It was like a reverse spin
move that he pulled across the street stuck stuck his hand out there and got, they're calling it the bobbery.
Ooh, I like that. Yeah, that's a great one. I mean, it was just both goalies were just
insane. It was just back and forth and both goalies were just standing on their head.
Yeah, you need to have, if you're going to be an elite goalie, you have to have at least
one save that has a nickname to it. Yeah. And then I saw the memes of Bob the Builder. He's building the wall around the
goal. That's nice. I like that.
Yeah.
Avs tied it up and Predators tied it up. So we got 1-1s everywhere, pretty much. Well,
2-0 capitals.
A lot of good hockey. Yeah, a lot of good hockey. That's the one lopsided series. It
pains me every time they play looking at the odds and the puck line and just how deeply, deeply favored the Rangers are in
this series compared to every other series out there.
Hank, I don't like your face.
No, I mean, I hopped in. I was...
I appreciate that.
PFT kind of, I believed him. I was like 150 to one like that's crazy and hockey.
You get a hot goalie. They're playing well at the end of the year.
And then you just watch the games and okay.
It's fair. It's totally fair. And you guys are absolutely right.
Like the capital is there was such a weird shitty team this year,
but they were kind of fun because they found ways to just pull rabbits out of
their ass every single time. Um,
it's much harder to do against
maybe the best team in hockey. But Hank, I didn't tell you to bet on the captain.
No, no, no, no, no, you didn't know. This was all me. It's the same thing as I'm saying,
I'll say later in the episode about the Leafs where it's like, oh, OV, TJ Oshi championship
experience. They got a hot goalie.
Yeah. Left-handed goalie.
Yeah. Crazy things goalie. Yeah,
left-handed goalie. Yeah,
crazy things have happened.
Yeah. Alright, we're going to
kick it to ourselves. Maybe
not. I don't know. Now that I
think about it, I don't I
don't remember a crazier thing
that's ever happened in sports
than the Capitals beating the
Rangers in the first round of
this playoff series. I don't
think that's happened. Yeah,
sitting it to you. it wouldn't have been the
craziest before the series
started because like who knows
but now I'd say it it would be
pretty crazy. If the Caps come
back and win this that that is
the craziest moment in sports
history. It's bigger than the
miracle on ice. Way bigger
than miracle. Way bigger than
the Ryan Garcia upset. It's
there's there's just a lot of
stuff. Buster Douglas. Yeah. Yeah. All right before so we're going to kick it to ourselves and
talk about everything Monday night and then we have three
great interviews, but I just wanted to because you were
this basically a time travel. We're going to go back to the
afternoon. Max has to go through all the stages of grief.
I just want to say my boy Max. I heard reports hit to
dingers tonight and softball. So
that's a positive thing. Two dingers. Nice work. How was what? What was that Hank? No,
I was gonna say I can confirm that. I don't want to confuse the people even more. Um,
but I also heard reports after we recorded what we were about to listen to. Oh yeah.
Oh yeah. TFT and Max were just screaming at each other for like two hours off camera.
But I would like to get some more details on that.
I'll give you some details. It was Max screaming.
That was an overreaction by me.
Max was screaming at PFT. PFT was sitting just kind of lightly trolling.
And then they come out of the, pardon my take, studio.
The entire office was standing up,
looking down the hall, being like, what is going on?
And then Max did a move that,
it was basically like a five-year-old's move.
He sat down at his desk and he pressed his hands
over his ears so hard that I had to like grab him
and be like, dude,
you're going to hurt yourself. He was like this, like that, trying to block out PFT talking.
And meanwhile it was a whole fucking circus. Cause then memes had, he was taking Mr. Pair
for a walk. So it was like, Mr. Pay, like he kept memes kept on screaming. Like max
would get up and pace and be like, Mr. Pair, out for Mr. Bear. And PFT was just like walking the high. It was just a, it was quite something. So you,
I mean, the rest of this episode is quite something as well.
But that led to two diggers. So yeah, yeah, yeah. He had the rage going. Then when the
two hands over the ears didn't work and I was still trying to talk to him, he just got
up, walk, grab some headphones and sat down, put the headphones on at the computer to drown
me out. But the look
on our coworkers faces of genuine concern. I don't know if it was concerned for me or
if it was concerned for Max, but either way there were shocked.
And I did tell him like, it's okay.
A shit upstairs in the bathroom. Yeah.
You can hear Matt screaming.
No, it was a bunch of people who were standing up being like, is part of my take about to
break up and I had to be like, no, no, no, just the NBA pool report came out.
That's what memes was most concerned about was like, he didn't want Mr. Pear to see members
of the family fighting with each other.
His papas?
Yeah, he still has Mr. Pear thinking that we're all one big cohesive loving family.
And that was Mr. Pear's first glimpse into like, whoa, maybe I entered a broken home
right now.
It was also just a funny, like I was trying to be the peacemaker for once.
I was like trying to calm Max down.
So yeah, that's a great what?
The silence was actually a mature move by me because if I wouldn't have kept going.
If I didn't go silent, I would have just started screaming in circles.
And I also am so bad at arguing, that's my worst flaw, is that I am so bad at articulating
my points that I just scream and it just, nothing makes sense, even though I was 1000%
right.
I still disagree that you was 1000% right. I still disagree that you were 1000%.
I will see.
I'll show you.
I'll show you like the ESPN article.
Like you just don't understand that you're the only person on the planet that doesn't
that is reading that report that way.
I mean, I use my own.
The only person on the planet.
The only person on the planet.
I guess he is lying.
I don't get information. I don't get my information
from people that are quote tweeting the release from the NBA refs and then promoting it to
their filly audience. This is going to be confusing for people. Yeah, this is going
to be very confusing. So let's just kick it to ourselves. I just wanted to stir Max up
more. Let's kick it to ourselves. We're going to discuss everything
have Monday night.
We also get the pool report in the middle
of discussing everything.
So it will all make sense once you
listen to the next part of the show.
So let's kick it back to ourselves in studio.
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want to talk about on Monday night? There were a couple of really good ones, but I think
a lot of people want to hear us talk about the Lakers and the
Nuggets. I know that. I know that. Yeah. However, yeah, I think this is one of those cases where we should trust our gut big
cap because we are we're ball watchers. And if we're being quite honest, the middle of that game was not the best
basketball. I think there was a better game on last night. Yeah. So you want to say it one, two, three, and let's talk about the game with the team that
choked.
Well, let's let's do one, two, three, and then we'll say the game that we think was
the most important on Monday night.
Okay.
All right.
One, two, three, Island.
I just Bruins Maple Leafs.
Oh, I said Cavs Magic Bruins Maple Leafs.
Um, or man, we got to we got a whole you know what?
Let's okay.
Since we can't come to decision on any of those ones that
We really want to do let's look at the ones that we didn't say. Yeah, okay
So there's the Lakers and the Nuggets the 76ers and the Knicks. Yeah
So which of those two do you think we should well you did say Lakers Nuggets
But I said that didn't say 76ers Knicks. So I think that's got to be the one that might be the last one
Okay, so let's talk 76ers Knicks. Okay, so big cat cat I didn't get to watch this game. So I have no idea what happened. Okay, so here's what happened
the
Always taking off his headphones
Philadelphia 76ers were up
Four points really with congrats under a minute, but we'll hold on it. I have finished
I was maxed out diarrhea with under a minute. But hold on, I didn't finish. Tyrese Maxey had diarrhea.
Tyrese Maxey had diarrhea.
The 76ers official Twitter account
posted a picture of Tyrese Maxey
looking like he had the flu, hands on his knees.
And Michael Jordan.
From the flu game.
From the flu game.
So if you don't remember, the Bulls did win that game. The Sixers did not win this game. So if those won that game, if you don't remember the bulls did win that game, the
Sixers did not win this game. So the Knicks scored eight points in 27 seconds to win this
game. So boxing out is important. Yep. Actually calling timeouts is important. Getting inbounds
passes just hypothetically getting inbounds passes important hitting free throws is important
Mm-hmm all these things are important to basketball and winning games
I yeah, so I kind of lied a second ago
And I said that I didn't watch this game because I did but then my cable cut out when there are I think like?
14 seconds left on the game. Yeah, so I didn't see the end
So what you're telling me is very, very surprising.
The cable cut out and then I saw that the 76ers were protesting, filing an official
grievance about the end of the game. So I don't know what happened, yada, yada, yada
in those seconds. So, okay. So you know what, PFT, because that does suck that your cable
cut out. I have, I actually have a transcript that I could read for you.
Okay. Yeah. Yeah. I feel like I'm there. We call this the, the five stages of grief. All right. So here it goes. Uh, first, first part of the transcript,
that didn't just fucking happen. Okay. That's denial. How did that three go down? How did that
these are all separate tweets anyway. How did that just happen? How did that just happen?
Those are two different tweets. These are three different tweets. How did that just happen? How did that just happen? Those are two different tweets. These are three different tweets.
How did that just happen? He said this, that I'll just read them all.
That didn't just fucking happen. New tweet. How did that three go down?
New tweet. How did that just happen? How did that just happen?
That's all the same Twitter silence. Be like five times last night.
Lowry has to make that free throw new tweet. I'm'm done with this shit man. New tweet. Absolutely done. I can't keep watching heartbreak like
this. New tweet. I'm absolutely gutted. I can't keep watching losses like this. It just
can't keep happening. New tweet. I'm absolutely devastated. I keep saying I've never felt
this bad and then a new devastating way to lose continues to happen. New tweet. How does that happen?
New tweet or he has to make that fucking free throw. These are all just the same tweet.
He just keeps going repetitively. New tweet. I just need to know how that happens. New
tweet. How do you lose that game? New tweet. In no way can you lose that game. New tweet.
The Kawhi shot in this. Both of those losses have
happened in our lifetime. He's talking about Jalen Brunson hitting the front of the rim,
having it go up like five feet in the air and then go down. New tweet. How do you not
call a timeout? New tweet. He did call a fucking timeout. What the fuck is this? This is the
bargaining phase, I believe. No, so I actually broke it down into five. So there are five
stages of grief that you have. Let me. first is denial Yeah, second is anger third is bargaining
So we've reached the bargaining stage because I had denial being that didn't just fucking happen
What was it that was it that didn't just happen or how did that? No, it's that didn't just fucking happen
Okay, alright, and then anger was he did call a fucking timeout. What the fuck is this? Yes, and then bargaining was I have it
I have it coming up. So he then goes new tweet
I don't know what to do right now new tweet. Here's the bargaining. We will get a better whistle at home
Yep, that's the bargaining and then he goes new tweet. Look this literally has to be one or the other. It's simple basketball
He's talking about the fouls that could have taken place
New tweet I need an explanation on the in-bounds
timeout. Absolutely need it. New tweet, this is depression. Can someone recommend a very
good feel good movie? Like the best feel good movie of all time. New tweet, stop saying
Marley and me. And then the final act. New tweet, Sixers will win this series.
That's acceptance. That's accepting the loss, but moving forward and choosing to try to better yourself in life. So it was healthy to watch
somebody speed run the stages of grief. Yes. And I don't actually, when I printed out that
screenshot here, but I cut out who that was. So I don't know who was making all those posts,
but they sound like they're a real loser. Yeah. So, uh, it was a hell of a game. Shout
out the Knicks. So the Knicks, it is, you
know, Tom Thibodeau, that culture, never giving up, just playing hard all the time, offensive
rebounding, you know, in the inbound play, getting all over Maxey, not having a foul,
not letting Nick Nurse call a timeout, which he might have, he might not have. It was an
all time war.
He did do the Hezzy.
Yeah, he did the Hezzy. And then I think he also tried to call a timeout, which he might have, he might not have. It was an all-time war. He did do the Hezzy. Yeah, he did the Hezzy.
And then I think he also tried to call a timeout after Max had
thrown the ball away, being like, but just kidding.
I want this.
It was an all-time.
No, both of those are actually correct.
Both of those are correct.
As an unbiased watcher of this, I, wait, wait, no, no, no, no.
No, I, I, I, as an unbiased observer of what
happened at the end of the game, I've
seen all the screenshots. I've seen every single angle of this.
I've watched from probably like 10 or 12 different angles and sync them all up.
What happened was Nick nurse thought about calling a timeout as they were in
batting the ball, as the ball was being thrown in. He can say, wait, I,
hold on Max. I'll let you, I'll call on you when,
when PFT is done with his point, let's have some decorum in the courthouse, please Nick nurse considered calling a timeout
He even made the motion his body wanted to call a timeout
But his brain stopped his body at the last second to call the timeout you have to your hand
touches your other hand like that makes
I show I talk show me a timeout
at a timeout. I show I talk show me a timeout. Now show me what Nick nurse did Nick wouldn't like he wouldn't like this on a timeout and even one of his hands was curved. He never
had a timeout never the two shall show me it did not ever touch tuck rule of the timeout
exactly and so that was not a timeout and then when he did call the timeout with authority
the ball was already out of Max's hand. Right. Okay Max, counterpoint?
I want to think about-
And there was a push off to him.
People keep going like this that he tried to take
the time out away.
At what point logically in that play would a coach be like
oh just kidding I'm comfortable with where we are at
right now I don't want the time out.
I'll answer that.
He never caught the ball.
I'll answer that. He was trying, he was about to call a timeout when they couldn't inbound
the ball and then he pulled it away when they inbounded the ball.
Correct. They didn't cleanly inbound the ball.
Yes, but it looked like they were. Yeah.
No it didn't. It never looked like he was clean, that there was going to be a clean
inbound there. It's very clear that he was about to call
a timeout and then they got the ball in. No, he reacted to the play that was going on
at hand. way and that's wrong there's just if we're talking screenshots
he clearly called the time a timeout when maxie actually had the ball okay I'll pull
it up right now I it was an all-time night we talked about it all the time where if you
are a die-hard sports fan you know that at some point your name and number will be called.
It's like the it's like a military draft. You will be called in the screenshot war and
it was Philly and New York just going back and forth in a screenshot war Zapruder film
type shit, breaking it down frame by frame. I love watching all of it. I love watching
all of it. Max, can I
ask you a question that has nothing to do with the timeout? Do you think Joel L.M. Beech
should have boxed out?
Yeah, you also didn't get to my last tweet where it said, I'm done complaining about
the refs. Obviously we're going to get fucked at the garden.
Wait, those are your tweets?
You guys are so annoying.
But wait, that can't be your tweet because you said, or the person in that tweet said they were done complaining about the refs.
And then you just complained about the refs.
I was disputing what you were saying was incorrect.
And I was letting you know that you are incorrect.
But you're done complaining about the refs?
Yeah, well someone has to...
The refs weren't why they lost that game.
There were six 50-50 plays that could have gone the Knicks or the
Sixers way at the end of that game. The Knicks got all six of them. That's just a fact.
They just try harder.
No, I mean, regardless, yes, they try harder. They won the game. They deserved to win that
game. But you are, there's-
Did Joel Embiid have one rebound in the second half?
Joel Embiid scored 36 points on one leg. Joel Embiid and Tyrese Maxx, you have nothing to do with that loss.
I agree with you.
They were the only ones who showed up.
Although he should have boxed out.
How about Nico Batum and Tobias Harris in the last two minutes of that game, they may have
well been sitting on the fucking bench.
Nico Batum was sitting there and watching the last minute and a half doing nothing
Yes, and beat should have boxed out
But if bead was giving everything he had on the 50% leg and no one else was doing anything to help him
I think he's about to cry. Yeah
Isaiah heart and sign who hit the big shots for the Knicks at the end. Oh
Oh, I know that I don't give a fuck I so what I saw Hank what I saw from the transcripts
I know I just fucking experienced one of them
Pussy over you won't talk though. You know that he won't talk if he does that's a thank you remember that guy Dante
Diffin Diffin Shinzo. Oh, yeah, where do you put you come? Oh, no?
No, he won he won an ad you remember that one year where he got just sick
Oh, yeah, we are at the game. No, but the game at Nova. Yeah, did you guys see Villanova's tweet showing out there?
I did know what it said Villanova MBB our guys Jalen Brunson and D. Vincenzo with two huge threes to seal the win and
All of their stat lines and the Philly fans did not like and Josh And Josh Hart was incredible again, who also went to Villanova.
Max, do you think you shouldn't have sent the flu game tweet before the game was over?
Yeah.
Wait, oh, me personally?
Yeah.
Oh, no.
What?
No, the Sixers.
Oh, the Sixers?
Sure, yeah.
They should have waited.
Yeah.
Also, PFT, I would like you to look at this.
Okay, we're looking at this.
Okay, I'm looking at it.
But you're not complaining about ron
No, no but but i just want to make sure that we're not spreading misinformation on this podcast
Okay, i'm gonna i'm gonna lower the shades cuz i can't write go ahead play because right no no that's it
Oh, that's it it's just that it's just screenshot i mean you're in the way
No, what we are looking at is you're is maxi
Holding the basketball and nick nurse behind him calling a timeout press play real quick. Hmm, that could be the parallax effect
Oh, that's it. Okay, press play though. I have to get there is no screenshot
He's been okay because it could be a situation where maxi is losing the ball right at that very moment
Okay, here's here's maxi has the ball. Mm-hmm
Kind of kind of losing the ball.
It's on the ground.
Yeah.
Kind of losing the ball.
Max is the ball.
No Max.
See this is why screenshots are right there.
See the clip.
The full clip.
Okay.
How is it?
It's he has it in.
It's in his left hand.
Okay.
So they are filing a grievance with the NBA which has what happens when he filed a grievance
Adam Silver? Just does he open up the envelope?
Nicks did it in February.
I don't think it led to anything.
Yeah.
I think they, that Adam Silver is just like, okay, they filed a grievance.
No, that's stupid.
Yeah.
Doing that is stupid.
And, and I do agree.
Like the Knicks wanted to win that game at the end of the game more than the Sixers did.
Both of those things, both of those things can be true.
I need you guys to admit that both of those things. Yes. Both those things can be true. Both of those things can be true. I need you guys to admit that both of those things can be true. Yes, both of those things can be true. Joe Embiid did actually, I should say, he did
box out. He just boxed out the wrong guy.
Yeah. I mean, I had three guys boxing out.
Three guys doing nothing.
Yeah, doing nothing. It just feels like the Knicks, I mean, the role players, the Knicks
are stepping up and no one from the Sixers.
What do you say?
Yeah, role players play better at home.
Yeah, role players play better at home. You got to win, but you're going to have to win a game on the road to win this series.
Correct. I might, I might game of the year on the sixers at home. Game three. Max already
did that. Oh, you did? Yeah. I won that. Yeah. No, I thought you did it for series of the
year. Series of the year. Series of the year. Oh no, I'm doing just this game. And I actually
do think the sixers have a good chance to come back
And and win this it's gonna be tough
I think I think I agreed with and gonna have to win on the Kirk
Oldbury said we'll get to it later you're gonna have to win on the road, but I
Love the Sixers in game three love them. Yeah. Yeah, I mean that
They were right there. They were right there The Knicks are just they're just a tough
Fucking team and Jalen Bronson has not played great and Tyrese maxi is incredible. Mm-hmm
He was so good last night. So are these all must wins from here on out?
You got blocked at the end. I think that was the greatest flu game that ended in a loss
Yeah, heart and sign was I mean he's I mean, how about the heart from the logo to put him up?
I mean that was heart and sign just decided for like the last you know hour of the game was just like I'm gonna just get
Everything and just out hustle everyone. No, yeah, that's a guy. That's just like a like a pure
Heart guy that wanted it more than anyone else on the court last night
And that's he's like the reason why the Knicks won because he wanted to win that game
Yeah, no one else wanted to win. He was about he wanted to win
You see a very funny clip on Jalen Brunson's podcast.
I'm sure you listen to Max, because it's,
I think Jalen Brunson and Josh Hart hosted,
both went to Nova.
Isaiah Hart and Son were reminding
Josh Hart of the moment that Josh Hart found out
that he's black.
His dad is black and white.
And so he's like, yeah, I'm actually black.
And Josh Hart was like, yeah, I'm actually black. And Josh Hart was like,
yeah, I do remember that. I was like, you changed everything. Yeah, I did. But yeah,
he's a dog. Like he's a fucking dog. He just, that those type of moments that Mecca was
on fire. Like that is the coolest place in a playoff atmosphere. And the Knicks, I mean,
the Knicks deserve it. Like they're Like they're a long suffering fan base.
I don't think of this, like the series is going,
it's going to look a lot different in Philly.
Like they feed off the energy of that crowd
and that's like very obvious.
Yeah, yeah, so again, again to clarify,
this is game three is must win.
Yes.
No matter what happens, game three, game four
also must win.
Game three's a must win.
Yeah.
Has to be a must win.
If it's two one going into game four, is that a must win. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. They're all must wins. Game five.
Although it is if it weren't the Sixers if it weren't the Sixers like I could see the
Knicks blowing a 3 1 3 1 lead but the Sixers make it you know do you know do you understand
what I'm saying here. Like the Knicks like a team that though that would get really excited and blow a 3-1
team but the Sixers are the antithesis of like the team that would come back
from a 3-1 yeah I got it yeah do you like okay you so your ex was in hell last
night you're thinking about not making game 5 a must-win is what I'm hearing
no yeah yeah they're both must-win okay Max is in hell you know who agreed you, Max, on the end of the play review system, all that stuff, was LeBron James.
In his post-game comments after his game. Well, yeah. He was like, yeah, the Sixers got fucked too.
I mean, Max, he also got fouled four times. Max, he also had quite a shove.
Also, lost in all this, Kyle Lowry's flop was so good, so good. When he dropped to his knees and
then he fully extended his body and just dove to the baseline. They didn't call it, but
I think everyone should go back and watch that clip because it is the absolute best
flop that I've seen from him.
Yeah. Max, so who are you? You're only mad at Hank, I think, right now. What did I do?
Well, I'm so happy I can't see your fucking face from in here.
Yeah.
Max and I were actually commiserating on a side text last night, cause I bet the Sixers money line as well.
And I also, I don't wanna re-litigate anything because-
I didn't text anything, I thought about it.
I've, I've, I've copped to being a bitch for the Wisconsin J.M.U. game, but Max did go through something very similar where a person he has met twice in his life texted him talking shit and it's the worst.
Yeah, no, it just pissed me off a lot.
Friends, fine, but just randoms, bad.
Hank, you are...
Let's go to hockey real quick.
Well, Hank's defense here, Hank wouldn't act like this if it wasn't good for the pod.
He's doing this because of the pod.
Yeah, that's true. He is. He's a that's true not because he's a company man not because he's smug asshole. Are you
worried though that you've you've so you're you're basically beating up the
longtime little brother to you in Philadelphia while the Knicks are kind
of rising are you a little soul? Because like New York fans are fucking crazy. I
don't who cares. Okay. We've played the next in the playoffs
smoke the Celtics would win that in four. Yeah. Oh all right. So the Bruins dominating
the Maple Leafs historically shout out Mr. Pear didn't play Swainman underdog. That was
my key to the game and he didn't play. Dude how about Mr. Pear going to know he picked
double Philadelphia teams and he somehow survived to and oh it's crazy like the Bruins
own the Maple Leafs and the Maple Leafs won that game. Yeah. How to stole that game. They
did steal the game. I don't know how the Maple Leafs again hockey guy but they should be
there stacked. Yeah they always are. Austin Matthews Tavares like they have everyone.
Max Domi. Max Domi was
the other skinny kid. Their goalie kind of stinks. That's the thing. If they can get
a good game. I've watched Sam Sonov a lot over his career. He will show up once every
week and be like, Holy shit, this is the best goalie in the NHL. And then the other games,
he's just letting everything through. Marner, that's what I'm thinking of.
Yeah, I mean, they stole the game.
Bruins had a power play at the end of the game.
I think they got one shot maybe.
That was probably where it went south.
So what's your panic level?
They got to get Swainman back in that.
That was key to the series.
And then game two, he just didn't play.
Yeah, people were like, Hank's key to the series
isn't playing tonight.
Look what happened. Look what happened.
Look what happened, yeah.
And sticking in hockey, memes.
Hello.
The fact that the Sixers, because memes is a Knicks fan,
but he's way more of an Islanders fans than Knicks fan.
The fact that the Sixers happened,
the Booth boys were down tremendously.
Actually, we should have mentioned Jake.
Jake had a great night because yeah Mike Breen double bang
How about all those people saying? Oh, let's cut the mics. No, no, no, no now you're gonna talk about this like pick cut
One side the double bang was good
Yeah, but it's because it's so rare that it happened six six six times
I was got a double bang and this was certainly worthy of a double bang. So I liked it a lot
I appreciate Mike bringing that moment. Yeah, I'm just saying that you know, it's it's the exception that proves the rule. Yeah, just pick a side
Okay, embrace them or hate them
No, I won't pick a side because some announcers I like and then when they say stupid shit
I'm gonna make fun of them. It's pretty simple. You do that for me. Yeah, it's pretty simple
Yeah, it's pretty simple. You do that for me. Yeah it's pretty simple. Yeah. It's pretty simple. When Reggie Miller says something
dumb I'm gonna make fun of him. When Mike Breen does double bang and be like that was
awesome. Yeah. But it would suck if he did double bang all the time. Correct. It would
lose its magic. It would rule if Reggie Miller just. I law. We'll talk about Lakers and Ducks
but when when we get down late in games and Reggie Miller just starts like brainstorming
out loud there's just nothing better. You're like, he's going to just, he's going to say some shit.
I think what happens is he gets high on basketball. Yeah. There's a good basketball game going
on. He's just so excited by it. It amps him up and it, he's just thinking about too much
basketball in his head. There's no room for intelligence. He becomes like a five year
old where you're like, you know what sounded out. Yeah. And he just sounds out all his
thoughts and you're just like no not that one Mm-hmm, Trent Dofer. Yeah, I can't lose football games and still win. Yeah, exactly. So memes so the Booth boys
The Sixers have that horrific loss and then at basically the same time
The New York Islanders who were up three nothing in this game
They are then up three two. The Carolina Hurricanes
pull their goalie. The Carolina Hurricanes tie the game with about two 15 left. They
win the face off and they score maybe eight seconds later and that's it.
Yeah. Nine seconds. Oh, so I was watching the next game. I was like, there's no way. No, that's got to be the worst, worst loss and anything
could go through. And then 30 seconds later, no. So you were like, you had a moment of
sympathy for Max and then it just smacked you right in the face. Yeah. The end of the
next game was kind of almost like Reggie Miller. Yeah. Yeah. They just get it. Shoot it. It
was like, holy shit. I can't believe this is happening and
Then the Hurricanes immediately tipped one in and then nine seconds later
They scored again, and I was just laying on my beanbag chair in my apartment
Just speechless and then they scored again, so it's three goals in 90 seconds, and then we just
Silence yeah
Yeah
How do you think most most people who are fans of the Knicks
and the Islanders woke up this morning?
Was it the Alonzo morning gif where it was really sad,
but OK?
It was the bus.
Yeah.
The bright side Knicks 2 and 0, dark side Islanders.
Yeah.
Yeah.
But for you, you woke up more negatively than positively.
I understand that about you. And if you watch watch the if you look at the part of my take Twitter account
You can see very clearly the bias show through where something bad happens to the islanders
Everything's in lowercase letters. Yeah, and usually just a sentence stating fact when something bad happens to the Rangers
It's always like uppercase letters. Holy shit. Yeah, yeah, I like that though
I like that we you know memes tweet you think eight points in in 23 seconds or 20 goals
I can eight points in 27 seconds or two goals in nine. What's worse? I think two goals in nine
Yeah, it's pretty bad memes. I were both texting like even though. He's the next fan. We were just like sports
Uh it was a good we were we were in lockstep.
Yeah, Max was like, I hope he's sweeping.
I was like, I don't care.
Man, I bet most of the people that are Sixers fans
didn't even watch the first half of the Lakers Nuggets game,
even if they're a diehard NBA fan,
because they were too busy with the screen shot.
Yeah, you had to get on the front lines.
Yeah, your second screen was completely
devoted to grainy screen shots. Yeah, your number was called completely devoted to grainy screenshots.
Yeah, your number was called.
Okay, so the Lakers Nuggets, I mean it was an incredible night of sports.
Lakers Nuggets, we set it on Monday's show.
Every single game goes the same.
Anthony Davis and LeBron James play out of their mind.
The Lakers get a lead.
Jokic somehow has like a quiet to the national media, quiet triple double.
Everyone in the national media says, watch out for the Lakers.
They're so dangerous.
Jason McIntyre, Nick Wright come out of the world would work being like, this is the team.
This is the team.
Nuggets win.
LeBron has some career defining highlight plays.
LeBron was incredible.
The block dunk on Jamal Murray was awesome.
It was incredible. The fast break dunk that LeBron had at the end of the game, also amazing.
He was playing out of his mind. He was hitting big shots down the stretch and then he misses
one and that gives the, uh, the nuggets the opportunity to go down and win. He, LeBron
was so, so good. That block dunk, he, it reminded me of the splitter block dunk in the NBA finals,
which was 10 years ago.
And he's still doing that.
And then also the steal of Jamal Murray and then dunking on Jamal Murray like LeBron emptied
the clip.
He was so good.
Anthony Davis emptied the clip and it's just right back to nuggets.
When it's like, I don't know.
I don't know.
I know that the Sixers had a probably a more actually, I don't know.
I think the Lakers might have a more, actually I don't know, I think the Lakers
might have a more demoralizing loss.
That series is definitely over.
Well, what's going to happen is the Lakers are going to play great in some more games
that they're also going to lose.
That's what's going to happen.
And it must be so frustrating if you're on that team or if you're a Lakers fan.
And every single time they go out there, they play their balls off.
They play incredibly. And then something happens and the nuggets end up winning and
they're, I mean, they're coming off what 10 games in a row that they've lost to the nuggets
in the playoffs or is it just a overall? It's 10 games overall. It's actually overall and
it's LeBron's ninth in a row. Yeah. Fun fact. Uh, so ever since LeBron's ninth in a row. Yeah. Fun fact. So ever since LeBron picked
Jokic last in the in the All-Star game, the Lakers are 0 and 10 against the Nuggets.
Interesting. Interesting. Another interesting stat. Jokic had another
2020 10 game. Yeah. There have been eight players, eight times that's happened in playoff
history. Jokic has four of those already. It's crazy.
He's insane.
Jamal Murray stunk, but then he was good.
Michael Porter Jr. was awesome last night too.
Well, that was the craziest play.
Jamal Murray was, he was so bad for, I don't know, 46 minutes.
Then he ended up scoring the last six points,
which is also a credit to like, keep going to this guy.
But the play that was like, that got him to that point was Michael
Porter Jr.'s three, which was off of Jokic doing the move where he was trying to get
a foul when he wasn't really ready set to shoot.
It was a heave. It was a three-point shot. It wasn't from the logo or from three-quarters
of the court like he does sometimes, but it was an off-balance, very awkward attempt at
a three. I don't know if it got deflected or if it was just a bad shot in general,
but he did get fouled on the attempt. They didn't give it to him. Austin Reeves gets
out muscled for the ball, pass back to Aaron Gordon was all hustle wide open three.
Yeah, it was, it was a crazy game. And I do, uh, you know, LeB, LeBron, it's nuts that he's doing this at age 39,
but it's also got to be so demoralizing because they have emptied the clip.
Like D'Angelo Russell even was playing well and scored 23.
They have done everything.
They are essentially playing a team that they have to play A plus and the other team has
to play like a D plus to have a chance of winning because the the nuggets were playing
Like a c plus last night and they still won the game
Yeah, I think it was like five minutes of game time
Maybe six where the lakers didn't score in the third quarter because they do the thing where they just stop running plays the lakers were up
20 points and their game plan just became either chuck a three
Yeah, or take a weird off-balance shot that's heavily guarded in the paint. Seven-foot jumpers they probably missed like five or six
seven-foot jumpers. It was just bad. The Lakers came out of halftime. I think they
ran three or four plays scored on all of them then they just stopped running
plays and and stopped scoring. It's crazy. Yeah. And I like people are saying you
know Polinka and Polinka didn't have the roster set because
Jokic anytime Anthony Davis comes out, Jokic just dominates.
He dominates anyway.
You know, Ham is not a good coach.
I they just the nuggets are just better than the Lakers and it just had it's every game
is so funny.
It's like I kept on just betting the nuggets live.
Yeah.
All night.
Like I was just like nine and a half, seven and a half, five and a half.
Okay. They're going to be in this game and the way they lost at the very, very end with Anthony Davis
falling into the nuggets bench after it was all over, and having them all celebrate around him
like he was on the team. It's gonna be tough to come back. Also, crowd shots, buzzer beater,
crowd shots. There's something like it gives me a little tingle in my balls. I was just watching
all the crowd shots. They're so fucking cool. Speaking of crowd shots, there was another video that
came out from after the gas. The Yolkich brothers got active and I think it was
Trahinja. Yeah, I think that the big guy, the big Yolkich brother with the Mohawk,
that dude threw a punch at a Lakers fan or another fan. I don't know what he was
wearing nomination. I'm going to assume that it was a Lakers fan. Yeah.
Guy got punched in the face by what
appears to be a 270 pound, very, very active Serbian guy.
Yeah.
Chewed the punch.
Credit to the guy that got punched in the face,
because I think anybody else would just crumpled
into the fourth dimension at that point.
But that guy, he stood up to it.
People are wondering if the Jokic brothers are washed.
They got to knock someone out. Yeah. They They gotta do some kind of feats of strength.
They gotta lift up a building or something. Just do an Instagram video where they lift up a car.
Yeah. Do the Magnus von Magnussen. Get like a big rock that's shaped like the continent of Africa
and put it over your head. I liked one of their girlfriends or wives when the punch happened right
before they got into the actual fight. The lady was walking away. It looked like with a baby just rolling her eyes being like, oh no, he's about to fight again
Yeah, this is bad
Kawai, I know some good news for max the the last two minute report came out for the okay
Oh, so the grievance worked they won the game the NBA finds that Brunson did pull on Max's jersey
It should have been called. Maxie's push off on Hart was marginal and should not have been
called and Nick Nurse should have gotten a timeout. And Josh Hart did foul Tyrese Maxie
on the inbound. So does that mean the Sixers won the game? No, but that means I deserve
an apology. Nick Nurse did call the timeout. Do you want it from me too? I didn't really
call. No, I'm looking at Mr. Sunglasses. Oh mr. Sunglasses
I know what I know what I saw well they the official league report saw differently, buddy
I'm looking at it right now. Oh, you got buddy. I'm looking at right now pal
Okay, look at it Maxie brings his hand towards heart marginal contact. That's that's how I know it's bullshit
That was definitely pushed off by Maxie. Okay, they should have called it, but it was well if we're calling fouls
Are you meeting called it? Are you admitting you might be wrong or no?
No, I'm admitting that that the the timeout when Maxie quote still had the ball. I
Dispute the fact that he you want to read it again
I dispute the fact that he had possession of the ball when that timeout was called
Do you want do you want me to read it to you again read it to me again?
Nick nurse should have gotten a timeout.
I dispute the fact that Maxi had possession.
So you're filing a grievance.
Yeah, no, I'm disputing.
You're disputing the grievance.
I'm disputing the grievance.
You're disputing the league report?
I'm disputing the findings of the grievance.
Okay.
Okay.
It's under protest.
So to be continued on the apology.
You're not getting one today, pal.
PFT, I have some good news for you about
the Lakers. Okay.
So you might, if you're in the media and you're like, I have a show every day, I got to figure
out how to talk about the Lakers. They're down 2-0, they've lost 10 in a row to the
Nuggets. How are we going to possibly talk about how the Lakers are really, really good?
We have a solution given to us
by your good friend Mike Greenberg. Okay. Mike Greenberg did an entire segment on Get
Up Today where he talked about how dangerous are the Lakers to every other team in the
playoffs. Besides the Nuggets. Besides the Nuggets who are down 0-2-2. He would pick
the Lakers against any other team in the West. Unfortunately, they're playing the Nuggets
down 0-2. So really the Lakers, if they lose this, let's keep track.
It's crazy.
Let's keep track of this because I think Queenie's onto something here.
The Lakers should be able to hang a banner for Western Conference finalists.
It's also just so wildly disrespectful to the teams that played so much better than
the Lakers all season long.
Yeah.
Thunder, the T-Wolves, the Clippers, the Mavs, the
Suns. Like I, but the Lakers, they are the, honestly they should have won, they actually
should, they win the title. If you could do the bet, like, you know, title winner with
excluding, so title winner excluding Nuggets, it's the Lakers. So in the finals, Lakers
versus Celtics, who do you got? Nuggets. No but you
can't do the Nuggets. Okay all right. I actually think. Wait are the Celtics wearing Nuggets
jerseys? No I think that the Lakers will beat the Celtics in the finals. Yeah. If they're
allowed to play. They're the most dangerous team. But there might be some antiquated NBA
rules that say if you lose in the first round you're not allowed to play in the finals.
Greeny just did an entire segment being like I didn didn't, but I would have. Yeah. I get it. Like you're lucky that I got held back there and didn't
have to play any of the other teams. The crazy thing is he might not be wrong when it comes
to talking about matchups. No, I think he's wrong. I think, I think there's other teams
that are better than the Lakers. That match, not better, but matchup better. I think they,
I think they would, no, no, no. Against the nuggets you're saying? Yeah. Like I think they would. No, no, no. Against the Nuggets, you're saying? Yeah. Like I think
the Lakers match up against the Nuggets as good, if not better, than any other team in
the West. Oh, I don't agree with that because they haven't won a game in 10 games. I know,
but that's what's crazy. Yeah. No, his argument was the Lakers match up better against everyone
else in the West. He would pick the Lakers against everyone else in the West, but unfortunately
they're playing the Nuggets. Okay. So essentially like, they're so good this is bullshit they have to play the Nuggets.
It's like saying the Bills unfortunately have to go through Mahomes.
Yeah, the Bills, the 49ers, and the Ravens are really really good if they don't have
to play Patrick Mahomes.
That's exactly what it is.
All right, Cav's magic all I had is that the Magic are still going with their strategy
of not scoring the basketball.
It hasn't worked through two games.
They have shot 34% from the field in two games.
They've shot 23% from three.
They have not had a lead for a single second.
Let's see how game three goes.
Maybe they'll try to score the basketball.
All I have in this game, in this series, and Max, this applies to you too.
The series doesn't actually start
until the home team loses a game.
Yeah.
I mean, Cleveland's playing great defensively
and the Magic have Palo
and then a bunch of guys who are missing shots.
That's essentially what's happening.
Stars, Nights was awesome.
That was a great game.
I also have made a bet on the
Knights at 13 to 1 to win the Stanley Cup based on one period. Okay so I like the
Stars. It might be in my running for period of the week because as soon as
the Knights went up too well I was like this team's good. So for my period of the
week I actually liked the third period of the Hurricanes-Islanders game. Yeah
that was in the running. That's more of like a 10 seconds of the week. Yeah
that's definitely in the running.
But it was just, it was one of those nights you sit back and you're like, could you imagine
not watching sports?
No, they're great.
They're absolutely wonderful.
It's, it was so-
How lucky are we to live in an age where we can watch all these sports?
And how lucky are we that Max is with us?
So it's just-
So very lucky.
He-
It's a generational run.
He can't
He can't get
anything Anything going can you imagine how bad it would suck to watch sports in like the 80s?
When you had to you didn't you wouldn't even know what happened in most of these games
You'd have to call a phone number in the morning max
You should try just being a loser like us. It's insane how
Good my teams are at being bad when it matters.
Yeah, you need...
Your only fault is that you should take a page out of our playbook and just be bad from
the start.
Every team is the same.
The Eagles, the Phillies, and the Sixers are all the same team.
I'm absolutely devastated.
I keep saying I've never felt this bad,
and then a new devastating way to lose continues to happen.
I got silenced by Twitter, too.
I tried to tweet so many things that they were like,
you've already tweeted this before.
You've already tweeted this before.
Did Twitter ever ask you if you were emotionally okay?
No, I wish they did. I would have said no.
I think Elon put a stop to that, but they used to be like,
are you sure you want to tweet this?
I you seem sad we also had a great moment when Max treated our role players will play better at home
their role players will play worse and he spelled the role R O L L and then Jake tried to
Lightly tell him that he spelled it wrong and Max in the nicest way But I know what he was thinking when he was sitting in his house. I don't give a fuck Jake
Yeah, but I'm I wanted to do it over text and not publicly shame. Yeah. Yes. Hey, yeah Max
I noticed that you tweeted the word roll a lot or OLL. Didn't you mean to put hoagie? Oh
You get any of that? I'm done with you today
Max I was I was with you. I was in the I was in the
The the Fox all with you last night. We were I was fighting for you. I was in the Foxhole with you last night. I was fighting for you. That
was devastating. Okay. Anything else before we get to Hot Seat Cool Throne? We got some
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My hot seat is the Broncos.
Oh, I had this as well
Yeah, they released their new jerseys and they are ass. Okay, so they look like a spring football team
I actually had a different take on it. Not the jerseys the jerseys are ass
I actually think the hot seat is every all the 31 teams PR teams
In the league because the Broncos did a master class on Monday
If you see it, they released terrible jerseys, which it's hard to do most jerseys are like, oh fire flame fire flame fire flame
I disagree because any New Jersey that gets released everybody's like this looks like an XFL team
Yeah until they get used to it
Yeah, and then and then they kind of gradually warm up to it because what we like as fans is nostalgia.
Yeah.
Right.
We want we want the old orange crush blue helmet with the D on the side and the horse and all that stuff because that we associate that with like our childhood.
Yeah.
So to us, the old jerseys are always better than the new ones.
And the new ones will always get roasted until they become like a little bit less new.
Yeah.
So anyway, they released the jersey.
This is why they're a PR masterclass.
And I was thinking about this.
It was like the jerseys got absolutely roasted.
They look like people were saying they look like UTEP or UTSA.
Sorry.
But they actually are really smart with what they did because they released bad jerseys
and then they traded for Zach Wilson. All in the same day,
and you don't know which one to be mad at.
They just split the vote.
Like that was so smart of them to do those
in basically a matter of hours with each other,
where they're like, which one you wanna choose?
We'll take some heat here, we'll take some heat there.
None of the heat will feel too hot.
Well the good news for Broncos fans,
and for one Billy football as well,
is that now that Zach Wilson gets to play against Patrick Mahomes twice a year will finally get
to determine who is better Zach Wilson or Patrick Mahomes. I actually don't hate
it for the Broncos like take a shot. He's got a big arm the altitude out so the
ball like 75 yards. Yeah he played an altitude of college. Yeah. But yeah the Broncos I
thought it was genius for them to do those two moves at the same time. I did
like the the retro look that they're bringing back, too. That is a good look.
And it feels like it's been jersey season,
like redesign season, uniform redesigns,
because we had the Jets.
The Jets were asked, too, right?
No, they were fine.
They just kind of look a little like they didn't really
do much.
They were getting closer to looking
like the Eagles every day.
Yeah, they didn't do much in their redesign.
Then the Texans dropped their new ones today.
Yeah.
I like the helmets with the big H, the calligraphy H on the side of it. But yeah, just the Lions had some new ones. Oh, I actually like those because they brought back the black uniforms because Dan Campbell won the division and the owner said you can wear those. You can have your Metallica jerseys if you win the division, which he did. I like that. All right. Cool. Throne. My cool throw is Paul Pierce. Yep. Also add this the truth
The NBA pulled a hundred thirty three players active players. They asked who the greatest player of all time was Michael Jordan was first
LeBron James was second Kobe was third Seth Curry was fourth and then Paul Pierce was tied with Magic Johnson for fifth
How many votes?
point eight percent point8 percent all Pierce figured
out a way to vote for yes but it's definitely Paul Pierce any vote is a
like he's on the list yes on according to current NBA players he's top five
NBA player of all time I love the anonymous polls I saw the other one that
was you know stuck out was that Tom Thibodeau one coach you'd least want to
play for it forty six 46.8%. Josh Hart
did have his back. He's like, everyone's soft now, which I agree with. Tom Thibodeau's made
average players great throughout his entire career. I don't know why you'd not want to
be an average player and become great with him.
And then the best though was they graded the refs and 3% gave it an A, 27% B, 47.8% C, and then 8.3%
F. And they talked to some of the anonymous players for quotes and so they talked to the
player who voted in F and he said, shit, they don't know if they want us to play or not
play, but they good people.
It's a perfect quote.
Yeah, I like that because that grievance isn't so much with the referees themselves.
It's with the system and being told how to officiate different players on different nights
sometimes.
Yeah.
No, no consistency, but they're good people.
Yeah, they, they good people.
They good people.
Good people.
We just got to start using that all the time when we insult someone like they good people bless their heart
Yeah, bless their heart. All right, PFT your hot sequel to them
My hot seat is non-compete clauses. Hmm, cuz they just got ruled to be inadmissible so you can go ahead and compete now as employers and
To tie that in with sports
Hank you just gave me a look
So if you have some sign a non-compete, that just doesn't matter.
Apparently it doesn't matter anymore. Apparently they threw them all out.
So that's Tom Brady is on deck to now be like in regular jobs.
Yeah. Who did this?
Was it the FTC federal trade commission? Love it. Power to the people, I guess.
But, but Tom Brady is now going to be voted on to partially
own the Las Vegas Raiders.
As early as, I think, next week, they've
ruled that the admission has gone far enough where they can
actually put pen to paper and determine whether or not
he can own the team, which they always approve.
You never hear of any owner getting rejected by the NFL.
So Tom Brady is going to own the Las Vegas
Raiders or at least a big part of it or play for the Patriots. Well that's what
he said he could do both now because the non-compete. Nice. He could play for the Patriots
and also well I guess he technically has owned the Raiders since the Tuck rule
game. Yeah. But he could officially own them now. Yes. So congrats. Congrats Hank.
It's awesome. Yeah then my cool throw is gonna be uniform redesigns because
everyone's doing uniform redesigns right now. Yeah, then my cool throw is going to be uniform redesigns because everyone's doing uniform
redesigns right now.
Yeah.
I was just thinking, what team do you think is the most current?
Not current.
Hasn't changed their uniforms a very long time.
I mean, the Patriots haven't.
Packers and the Bears.
No, the Patriots did a few years ago.
Yeah, they changed their color scheme.
They're fine.
It got slightly worse.
Yeah, Packers, Bears.
Packers, Bears.
Vikings feel like they've been around forever too. Yeah.
Yeah. Vikings been around for a really long time. A lot of them just cycle through.
Giants, although they changed their helmet. But yeah, there's a, some of the franchise don't.
Raiders. Yeah, Raiders. Raiders is classic. Yeah, classic.
Okay. My hot seat was all of Hank's hot seat. So I'll go to my cool throne.
My cool throne is the Oklahoma City thunder because Kevin
Duran is 100% going back to the thunder. You think so? Yes. They're doing some trial balloons.
Did you see Chet Holmgren's new shoe? I did not see his new shoe. It is, it was, I think
it's under the KD line and it was a video narrated by KD talking about Chet Holmgren and the city of Oklahoma City.
And Oklahoma City Thunder have, I'm just looking right now, like they have every
single draft they have four or five picks. If they're one player away, this is
the only place that Kevin Durant can go win a championship and everyone would be
like your whole career has been perfectly
book ended and you're not a bad guy.
Katie's probably thought about it for a couple of years and then they went ahead and had
such a good record this year.
Yeah.
It's like, you know what?
This is kind of my thing.
It all makes sense.
It all kind of comes together where it's like, Katie, like there, can you pull up the Chet
Holmgren new shoe ad narrated by Katie? Because there's also a very funny moment where I think Katie says
like, can you handle the whole city on your shoulders? And they show a picture of Oklahoma
city and no offense to our listeners who are from Oklahoma city, but don't do a skyline
pick if you have two and a half buildings. They have two and a half buildings. It literally
was like two and a half buildings. But that's a half yeah it literally was like two and
a half buildings but that's just so you can see the sky but it was I think you
got to do or maybe do a night skyline or do like a close-up of like the arena so
here it is you play the video but I think Katie's going back you think you
could do it I'm not just talking ball you think you could put the whole city
on your shoulders there it it is. Step up there
I know I can do go back a whole city. Well, I don't know my drive to be fair
I know the whole city on your show. There it is. Yeah, that's
Oklahoma City, that's a city that count two and a half building that is a city that we fit on Chet Holmgren shoulders. That's
You got you got it. You got to do a different angle.
I don't know what the angle is, but you can't do this angle.
Maybe bird's eye so you don't see how big the buildings are?
This is like half of Atlantic City.
I don't know.
Or maybe just Worms Eye View.
Yeah, Worms Eye View.
I like that.
But yeah, I think KD is going to go back to the Oklahoma City Thunder, and I'm absolutely
for it because I think that would be a very cool like if he won wins a title with the Thunder
Kind of everything's forgiven. I know not everything's forgiven, but it would be
Like that that oh my god. I finally we did it in this city. I ended my career here nice
There will be people that say oh you went back to them when they finished first in the world
Oh, yes, that will be the yeah He would not go back to the Thunder if they weren't a good team
They were as they are a good team and they have so many draft picks. It's actually insane
They don't have they have too many draft picks for players that they can rock
Yeah, they don't have they don't have enough spots, right?
So that's gonna happen get excited for that and then probably a sick will probably see the skyline again
We just I'm coming home video.
Make it nighttime. Show me that black ass guy.
This is nighttime and maybe an arena shot and like a fountain shot, but don't do this angle on your own.
I need to make sure to annunciate when I say black ass guy.
Yeah.
Black ass sky.
This depressed me. Sorry Oklahoma City.
I'm sure it's a nice, actually I've been. Remember? We went, oh no.
We went through Oklahoma City. I'm sure it's a nice actually I've been remember we went oh no We went through Oklahoma City. Yeah Raven. Yeah, we had a waitress at a chain restaurant
We won't name because she offered us mushrooms
It sounds about right. It was cool. I've enjoyed my time in Oklahoma City. Yeah, I spent two nights there and
I had a perfectly fine time. Yeah, I had but we had a great time in Oklahoma City
And also lead the league in wearing the free shirts.
Shout out to that.
I also think they might have just
got a bid to build the largest skyscraper in the country.
Good.
They did.
I saw that, Hank.
The skyscraper, it's actually going
to make the city look worse because it's so much taller.
Oh, no.
If you need like seven skyscrapers. Yeah, you can't put like one
giant building in Oklahoma City because then everyone's like what the fuck are
those other buildings. Yeah, yeah. Okay. Yeah. It's not good. We'll figure it out. Maybe do the shot from the top of the
skyscraper. Or just do the big hole that they're gonna have to build, dig for the
skyscraper. Be like look we're up and and coming you have to add at least 50 to 75 percent on top of all the other
buildings if you want to put another giant building yes yes okay Jake finish
off my hot seats MLB umpires yeah the air is becoming a weekly segment on this
show because we've talked about Angel Hernandez but the Aaron Boone situation
on Monday afternoon was one of the most jaw-dropping like there there's not a two-sided story to this one. They ruled he got ejected for something a fan said
Correct and the umpire then he literally said I don't care who said it you're gone. I love that
Why that's I love it when I love it when umpires double down on something that's so insane like that goes on these guys
It's so good. I love it. So you know, I do not love it, Jake.
It was awesome.
For umpire to be so set in their ways,
to be like, yeah, I don't care.
You're still gone.
It's fucking hilarious.
That's something that a parent would
say when they know that they're wrong,
but they don't care anyway.
Right.
You can't, if you're an ump, you can't
admit that you were wrong.
Yeah, so what I would, then they'll take advantage of you.
People would appreciate you.
Would they?
Yeah.
Fans would be like, thank you would appreciate you No, yeah
I appreciate you for like admitting you're wrong. I can't take accountability. You can't show weakness
Yeah, I don't that's beta male. I appreciate it more to just be like I was wrong, but I'm not gonna say it like a Ft
with Max
Yeah, so or like when the NBA admits that they're wrong about like a last-minute call where somebody should get a timeout
Nobody respects them more for doing that. Yeah. Just a crazy situation for the ejection and the umpire probably won't
face any consequences. Yeah. He shouldn't. He should be. He should get a fucking hero's
welcome that it was a hilarious clip. Are you saying that because there's the like if
it happened to the Cubs, it would still be hilarious. I mean, it's hilarious, but it's
also it's hilariously bad. It's very funny that it's very funny that it happened right now
If it happened in a playoff game or a world series game, then fans would be irate
Yeah, but it happened probably deserve. Yeah on Monday afternoon game, right?
Yeah, no it that video was so fucking funny and it's also like the managers don't even do anything anymore
They do the computers tell them what to do
It's true. Like the computers tell them what to do
So if I was really good at impressions, I would learn how to do. It's true. The computers tell them what to do. So it's-
If I was really good at impressions, I would learn how to do the different manager's voices
and then go to the game, sit behind them in the dugout, and try to get them kicked out.
It ruled.
That fan has a story for life.
Yeah.
Yeah.
All right.
Your cool throne?
My cool throne's Andy Reid.
He got a new contract.
Oh, nice.
Deserved.
Well deserved.
Well deserved.
12 million a year, I think. Big red big red good for him a lot of cheeseburgers
He's definitely gonna do a press conference where he's like, what are you gonna buy Andy cheeseburger?
He's probably gonna buy McDonald's. He's 66. How long do you think he's gonna stick around?
So long as Patrick Holmes keeps slinging it. Why would you ever retire? He's got a pretty good gig right now
Yeah, and unless Travis Kelsey kills him on the side of the game. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
Shout out Andy. Gotta get him on the show. Come on, Chiefs. It's really nice things about
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This is really the Kirk Goldsberry preview.
It's the preview, but we watched such incredible games on Monday night.
We wanted to have someone who's smarter than us to talk a little basketball for our listeners. So Kirk, thank you for joining us. Let's talk about it. The Nuggets Lakers series,
the greatest series, the greatest, most lopsided series of all time going back to last year and
this year. So I guess my question to you is what the hell do the Lakers have to do to beat the
Nuggets? I mean, the same thing the rest of the league does. have to do to beat the Nuggets?
I mean the same thing the rest of the league does. A lot of us think the Nuggets are the
best team in the NBA and we've thought that for a while now. A lot of people think Nikola
Jokic is the best player in the world, something we would describe LeBron James as for a vast
majority of the 2010s, but this decade appears to belong to Nikola Jokic and the Nuggets.
And I think it's telling, it's sort of a handing of the torch.
It's very painful one.
But this is LeBron James's longest losing streak against any single opponent
in his entire 21 year career guys.
He's lost nine straight games to Jokic and the Nuggets now.
What do they have to do?
They have to get more support from their role players.
I think one of the themes of our conversation from these two great series that we watched
with Philly, New York, and this Denver Lakers series is the old cliche, the role players
play better at home.
The Lakers need that to happen in game three if they're going to get back in the series.
Simply put, Anthony Davis has been pretty good.
LeBron's been great.
The rest of the team has not been good enough to even come close to really beating the Nuggets in a series.
Yeah.
Yeah, they were so close.
It felt like last night.
Obviously, they just lost by 2.
Or was it 1 point?
No, 2.
2 point loss.
2 points.
They were up by 20.
They were winning by 20 in the third quarter.
What percentage of blame would you
put on the Lakers versus credit to the Denver Nuggets
for winning that game?
Yeah. I'm going to give credit to my friend, Mike Malone, who you guys have had on this Michael podcast. Michael, apparently you're really good friends with him if you call him Mike.
Yeah. Well, I remember you brought up my paper where I was very critical of Jokic's defense and
that's relevant to you because like PFT, because I think one of the things we saw last night was Michael Malone made the adjustment.
The regular season is checkers, playoffs are chess.
What happened last night in my opinion was our first real chess move of this series.
Anthony Davis was absolutely cooking Nicole Jokic guys in the first half, just cooking
him.
I think he was eight for eight against him in the first half. In the third quarter, Michael
Malone puts Aaron Gordon on Nicole Jokic and moves Jokic over.
On Anthony Davis, yeah.
Yeah, yeah, that's sorry. Let me start over. So he puts Aaron Gordon on Anthony Davis and puts
Jokic on to Hashimura and the whole game changed. And the Lakers scored 40 points in the whole second half.
Anthony Davis had a bunch of touches
in the first quarter of the second quarter.
By the fourth quarter, he had one shot, no points.
Aaron Gordon and Michael Malone deserve credit for that win.
In my opinion, that was a gritty adjustment
and defensive breakout for Aaron Gordon,
who's one of the few athletes in the
NBA that can put up a physical sort of defense that can deal with Anthony Davis. So PFT,
my answer to that question goes to Michael Malone deserves credit with Aaron Gordon.
Now the other part of it is, uh, so Anthony Davis was in foul trouble as well for parts
of the second half. It does feel like the Lakers roster is a big issue and I don't want to
take blame away from players, but like every time Anthony Davis comes out of the game,
Jokic does literally whatever he can do, whatever he wants. Most of the time he does whatever
he wants to the 10th power. When he come, when Anthony Davis comes out of the game,
is that, is that fair to just be like the Lakers just, they just don't have enough dudes.
They just don't have enough bodies to be able to compete with a team like this. I
Mean, it's not a sexy talking point big cap
But one of the big differences between good NBA teams and great NBA teams are simply depth
Yeah
And when you talk about dynasties where you have like Sean Livingston or Manu
Genoble coming off the bench for these teams that win multiple championships. This Lakers bench is short.
Uh, no offense to my, my fellow Longhorn Jackson Hayes, but he just, he just isn't
going to be able to defend, uh, Nicole Jokic in a big playoff moment.
Um, and I think, like I said earlier, the fatal flaw with this LeBron era Lakers
team is often not, not, not LeBron or AD.
It's the supporting cast.
And when you look at this losing streak against the Nuggets, DeAngelo Russell
hasn't been good enough in a lot of these games.
He was pretty good in game two, especially in the early, but Rui
Hachimora Spencer, Dinwiddie, Vincent, these are the dudes that weren't good
enough in Denver, and if the Lakers want to climb back in this series, it's that
thing again, it's can the role players get us a game at home? And they haven't been good enough in Denver
so far. But yeah.
What's the other chess move that now Ham can can counter with? Because it is that that
is my favorite part of the NBA playoffs is you see one team will say, all right, we're
going to adjust here. And then the next game, it's like, all right, well, we're going to
counter adjust. So what can they do, knowing that they might put Aaron Gordon back on Anthony Davis and make his
life miserable?
Yeah, I think they can use switches maybe. And I you know, Yoke is the best player in
the world, not throwing shade at him. But Anthony Davis showed last night, one of the
only weaknesses in this dude's whole game is defending athletic players. And the Lakers have two options.
Obviously, they're going to, I think, stick with this Gordon matchup on Anthony Davis. But can Lebron
James attack Nikola Jokic and pick and rolls? Can they get Jokic exposed in the paint and really
just start to attack him with their incredible rim attacking athleticism? Because that's what
they had success with in the first half
last night was Anthony Davis in the paint.
You mentioned the role players stepping up.
It would be nice to get an Austin Reeves game.
That would take a little bit of the pressure off
AD and LeBron James.
We haven't had that yet.
But it also feels like, Kirk, are you
making excuses for LeBron?
He missed that big three down the stretch.
I want to know what this I want to know
what the nuggets being LeBron James' kryptonite have. What effect does that have on LeBron's legacy? Because he yeah, he made two
great shots down the stretch. He didn't make the third. And so we can point out the third and be
like, LeBron can't get it done. At age 39, LeBron gave you exactly what the Lakers fans could hope
for. He I mean, I know you're joking, but dude, LeBron was incredible last night.
And then we consider his age. He wasn't the reason. Again, if there's a legacy flaw here,
it's his choice to move to Los Angeles and play these Western Conference teams. Remember,
this is a dude who went to the finals eight years in a row, in part because he was playing,
you know, no offense to Hank, a relatively easy Eastern Conference playoff bracket each
year compared to the West. So, hey, welcome to the West LeBron Denver in the first round,
the defending champs get used to it. I think they just need more depth and better performance
from their PFT. Their bench scored six points last night. That's not going to get it done
against the world champs.
Yeah, I also and LeBron was incredible. And I'm not, I don't want to be a LeBron hater. I just, maybe it's more
just defensive philosophy. We would never be for the Lakers. I thought that, I thought
that last defensive possession, like I understand switching everything, but like at least make
a guy actually set a pick before you switch. A lot of times the NBA, it's like a guy just
has to just stand somewhere and you'd be like, all right, switch. Like they're not, there's
very little like fighting through screens and like forcing the other team to actually like
commit to a, to a pick. Like it was some, I can't remember who flashed up and then LeBron
just passed them off to AD, you know, Jamal Murray to AD. And it's just like, I don't
know. Maybe I'm just being a hater. Hey, you want to get super nerdy with me? If we look at the shot quality models for those
last two shots, the one that went in Jamal Murray's history making shot, one of the best
buzzer beaters I've seen in the playoffs in a long time. You know, the nerds give that about a 33%
chance of going in. I mean, he is, but Anthony Davis is one of the best defenders in the league.
You could have defending that exact shot.
So smart.
Yeah.
And then, but LeBron shot too, it was like, that was a clean look from downtown.
It just didn't fall.
Yeah.
Oh, and LeBron is a much better three-point shooter than we're used to seeing from him.
You know, if we play that out a hundred times, I bet that LeBron shot goes in and
the Murray shot doesn't a few of those times.
And that's what we're talking about. The difference between a 1-1 and a 2-0 series.
And also Jamal Murray did, I mean, he was so bad in the first three quarters, his shots were so
off and then all you got to, you know, just let a guy keep shooting. And he was incredible in the
fourth quarter. Yeah. And I think that's one of the themes with this other series. Like if you want
bad news from the Lakers perspective, Jamal Murray, aside from a few
of those shots, has been ice cold.
He's one of the coldest jump shooters in this whole playoff so far.
And Denver's up 2-0, despite this dude being really cold.
Now obviously he has the shot of the playoff so far.
But they've done a good job containing Murray, and they're still down 0-2.
It stands within reason.
Big cat that Jamal Murray is not going to have a couple more stinkers like this in games
three and four. So they're going to have to find some offense from somebody else other
than LeBron and an AD in Los Angeles. Yeah. It's the way that the Lakers are losing too.
You just mentioned like LeBron shot was a much better shot than Jamal's at the end and they,
they just happened to lose another one
of these close games.
I was saying last night that I actually,
I kind of respect the Lakers for taking
all these really tough losses in games
where a lot of the times they play really well
and then coming back and playing good enough to win,
but then also losing again.
Like it's a vicious cycle that they're trapped into,
but it'd be very easy for a team like that
to just kind of give up and to not give the Nuggets all that they could the next game.
But it's the gift that keeps on giving.
I mean, they're a great team and it goes to show, I mean, one of the big themes for this
playoffs, PFT for me is five of the top six teams arguing in the NBA on one side of the
bracket.
The West is loaded.
And one of the things the Lakers and the Warriors did, they get a lot of attention, but they
dug holes earlier in the season.
And they get a seven seed
and you have to play the defending champs.
If they were on the other side of the bracket,
they would have a much easier first round opponent,
but that's not the world we're living in.
They dug a hole earlier in the season,
now they have to play a very, very good team
in the first round.
The narrative is never gonna catch up to that.
But they're a good team.
The Lakers are a good team. They're probably, in most years, not a first round exit, but
it sure looks like that's where we're heading unless something changes.
Yeah. Yeah. I just want to give you something to think on because I would like to discuss
this in person. I'd like you to really nerd out on it for me. It feels like the last 25
years of the NBA, give or take, the West has been dominant over the East in terms of
depth, in terms of talent.
There's certainly a couple of years where you can make the argument that maybe the East
had it for a little bit, but the West has just been so much better than the East.
I'd like to know the reasons why.
If you look at the data, what are the driving forces behind the West just consistently beating
the shit out of the East in terms of quality
teams. Can you do that? Yeah, I'll write that up and when I'm there
in a couple of weeks, we'll go through my findings.
Yeah. Probably there's probably Golden State Warriors.
That and I would say like I was going to say seven year stretch where it's Kirk Goldsberry
working for the San Antonio Spurs. Yeah. Yeah. Really took the balance of power.
That's right. That's what it is. Okay. So the other game that we watched in the other series, the Knicks Sixers also two very close games that now have the Knicks
up two Oh, and also a game where you can watch it and be like, uh, the old dad sitting on,
on the couch being like, this is why you got a box out because the, the, the, the last possession,
uh, there was a ton of maybe borderline fouls, whatever, timeouts,
all this stuff. But at the end of the day, it felt like it was just a Knicks team that,
and it's probably because their coach is the way he is, that was just fighting for those
loose balls that can win you a game versus lose you a game. And what is the fix though
for the Sixers going forward to even the series up? There's some parallels here. I mean, I think like Jamal Murray, Jalen Brunson has been
ice cold. He's one of the coldest shooters in the playoffs. He's even colder than Jamal
Murray. And the Knicks fans should be excited and the Sixers fans should be a little scared
of that because obviously the Knicks have won these two games and Brunson, I'm sorry,
should have had, has had two of his worst
games of the entire season.
Um, and you're right about the rebounding.
I mean, the Knicks are just dominating the offensive boards.
That, that, that last sequence I thought epitomized a bunch of the narratives
here in this series, the Knicks out hustling, out harding, making the bigger
plays, making the bigger shots
Say what you want about the Sixers It just feels like they lose those types of games and say what you want about this next teams. They're tough
They make those kinds of plays and they make the dads on the couch is proud because they are the ones on the floor
They are the ones boxing out into the classic Tibbs team and maybe his best team
He's had in a decade
But the Sixers like the Los Angeles Lakers need to get more.
I heard you guys talking about this the other day.
Buddy Heald, hello, are you there?
You're here to shoot shots.
You're here to shoot threes.
Tobias Harris, have you seen his paycheck?
He needs to be better.
Like the Lakers, they need to get more because Embiid and Maxey have done enough.
If you look at the plus minus, with Embiid on the court, the Philadelphia 76ers are winning
this series.
When he goes to the bench, it's a tire fire.
The Sixers fall apart, and that's where the Knicks have stolen both of those games.
So they need, like the Lakers, those role players to show up at home to turn the series
around.
What would you say to the haters, one of which might be sitting behind the glass right now listening to this, that say,
Jalen Brunson's not playing well because the Sixers defense is doing a good job?
Look, Nick Nurse is a big upgrade over Doc Rivers, and I credit the game plan.
I know you guys were joking about some tricks, but Nick Nurse knows how to make life hard on a guard. He won his only NBA championship by really making
life hard on Stephen Curry in the 2019 finals. I think there might be some truth
to that, but Nick Nurse has also left Josh Hart wide open. This dude is 8 of 15
on threes and the average defender distance PFT is over nine feet away.
Those are practice shots and NBA players are too good.
Josh Hart's threes have sort of been the deodorant to cover up
for his teammates stink as a jump shooter.
Jalen Brunson's and Dante DiVincenzo has also been hot.
So look.
He has done a good job on Brunson, but he has to find a better way to cool off
the other three-point shooters in New York.
I think there is some truth to that, but ultimately, I would say to the Philly fans, the one behind
the glass, we need to get more from the south end of our rotation if we're going to save
this series.
Yeah, I have another assignment for you when you come here in a couple weeks. Could you track the amount of minutes in a game
that Joel Embiid physically looks tired?
He doesn't even jog up the court in playoff games sometimes.
Yeah.
He looks tired.
He perspires at a high rate.
He lumbers.
Any old guy who plays pickup knows
exactly what that feels like. I saw a couple of minutes, he's not any old guy who plays pickup knows exactly what that feels like.
I saw a couple of minutes.
He's not even running up the floor.
He's playing on one leg.
I just would like to see the amount of time.
Like you, it wouldn't shock me if you're like, all right, I've tracked the data
60% of the time and beat is trying to let us know that he's tired.
Well, one of the things we do track is who's the last guy across half court
in the player tracking area. he's tired. Well, one of the things we do track is who's the last guy across half court in
the player tracking area. I think that would expose that,
that he is not in fact running up and down. And to Max's point, he is,
he's got a giant knee brace on. He's,
he's a massive human being recovering from a knee injury, uh, cut him some slack,
but dude, the playoffs are unforgiving Max.
We need Joel and be to play like an MVP if we we're gonna beat the two seed in the first round.
So, can you track that data retroactively?
Can you go back and find out, guys,
or is that something that's just all new age?
Because I would love to see late Patrick Ewing.
Because there were times when he would like,
it would be like eight seconds left in the shot clock,
and then you'd see him coming into the frame,
and you're like, whoa! There you go, I'm talking like magic, Patrick Ewing. It would be like eight seconds left in the shot clock and then you'd see him coming into the frame. Whoa
There you I'm talking like magic Patrick Ewing. No, we can only go back to 2013 Okay, I don't even think Patrick was playing for the magic. No, maybe some late-era Shaq. Yeah
Definitely later a Shaq we can get I'm trying to think of who would be the all-tenth man across half court
George Mirosan was pretty slow. Yeah, big George
It only took him
like three steps to get there. But he was just he had the two big knee braces on. He looked like
Mega Man. Yeah. Another superstar who's 10th man across a lot of the time is Luka Doncic. But
yeah, not because he just enjoys he enjoys some some some some drinking sometimes too. But it's
mostly because he's yelling at Scott Foster. Yeah. Referees.
He has to settle some scores before he plays defense.
Yeah.
All right.
Looking ahead in this series, which team would give the Celtics a better matchup?
Dude, if they're healthy, it's the Sixers.
I mean, they were 31 and eight, dude, when Embiid played this year.
They were on pace to win about 65 games.
The statistical markers with Embiid on the court scream, we're a contender.
Now you have to look at the playoff version of this team.
And so I am not mad at the Knicks.
And if they win this series in five or six games, I'm happy to change my answer.
But coming into this series, PFT, the clear answer was the Sixers if and B was healthy.
And I think that's a good answer,
but looks like Knicks are about to run them out of the gym,
unless Philly changes something.
OK, so similar last question for me.
And again, we're going to do an extended NBA playoff talk when
you get here.
But biggest threat to the Celtics in the East,
maybe it is just the Sixers, but I
don't know if maybe there was another team in a different series and biggest threat to the Nuggets in the West
The biggest threat is the winner of this series. It's not a cop-out
I have a lot to learn this two seven series the rivals the East Coast rivals the Knicks could play themselves man when the Knicks look
Good, they look good. So I think the winner of this series and that might be the Knicks obviously I just don't see Janis coming back into shape if Janis comes back at a hundred percent
Maybe you could argue it's the Bucks
But I have to see that first in the West. I
Think the number one threat to the Denver Nuggets is the injury bug. I know they're that good
Yeah, I really do. I think Jokic is just, they
deserve that kind of dodgy, cute answer, big cat. If I have to answer, I'll give the thunder the
answer right now because they have home court. But dude, if they're whole, I just don't see anybody
taking out Jokic in seven games, beating them four times in seven games. It just looks like
they're the best team in the league right now. Yeah all right so I'm going to give you a chance to look stupid when we talk to you in a couple
weeks here. What percentage do the Sixers have to win the series? 32% chance and if they win game
three that goes up to 40 but if they lose it as you know it goes to zero. So I think this is what
you guys might call a must-win game, game three for the Philadelphia 76ers.
Because a stat that we like to say is that no team has ever come back from 03.
And I don't think that's going to be a sixers team.
So this isn't the first to do it is a must win officially a must win.
Yeah, this is a must win and play it back to me when I'm there in two weeks.
And following up on that is game five.
Is it how what percentage pivotal is game five. Is it how, what percentage pivotal is game five?
Is it a hundred percent pivotal?
A hundred percent pivotal without a doubt.
I mean, the, the analytics leave little doubt PFT,
especially if it's three one and the team up three one wins
game five. That's very pivotal.
Yep.
Pivotable, pivotal for the, for that series.
Okay. All right. Good to know.
Okay. Well, Kirk, thank you
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Okay, we now welcome on our good friend, recurring guest.
It is an annual tradition.
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Jeremiah, NFL Network. You can see him on draft night. Also the Move the Sticks podcast,
Chargers Radio. Actually, let me start there real quick before we get to draft. How pumped
are you to be able to call some Jim Harbaugh coach games coming up? Because I think he's
one of the best coaches. I don't know if you've been
able to sit down with him. How excited are you for that part of your job?
Dude, I'm super excited. I mean, he's won everywhere he's been and he kind of brings
an identity with him. And on top of that, I'm just looking forward to my own Jim Harbaugh
stories because everybody has theirs. I met him for the first time. I popped up there
to Joe Ortiz, his press conference when he was announced as a GM because I had known Joe forever
so I get there kind of late and and Harbaugh is gonna be walking in with a couple other guys I know from the
Organization and they're like hey Jim
I don't know if you know this is the annual Jeremiah NFL Network
But he calls our games for the radio and he like kind of pauses and looks at me goes, I think I've heard of you fist bump and then gone. So I'm looking forward
to my collection of hardball stories to add to the archives. Yeah, he's an honest guy. That's
what I love about him. You'll never get bullshit out of him. Yes. Yes. 100%. Yeah. All right. I'm
looking forward to it, man. It's gonna be fun. Like when that
hire happened, I was driving up to the network and there's like billboards, like the charges
that billboards like Jim Harbaugh's face on. I was trying to think of how many, how many
coaches can you sell? Like, yeah, like this is the draw. It's the coach. Like that's pretty
nuts. It's absolutely true. All right. So it is draft time. You are, you are deep into
the draft. Like I said, you can see on NFL network on Thursday night, uh, for the draft. So, uh,
let's start here with the draft. What, as of this week, have you heard anything, uh,
in terms of teams moving up, who you would see as a potential, like watch out for these
guys. They love this position. They love this player. What's the latest, the latest is like,
I don't know how much movement we're going to see. Like as of
last night and talking to a couple of different GMs,
the expectation was sticking and picking one, two, three. So sticking and that,
and that ends up being, you know, Jayden going to Drake going three.
And then you have, uh, at four, it sounded like the Cardinals were gonna,
we're going to stay there and take Marvin Harrison. And then, you know, I know the charges would like to get out of five, but the sense that I get, at least as of, you know, last night was that Minnesota would come up for Drake may, but they weren't going to come up for anybody else.
That was, I mean, that's what it was last night.
So, so now you're thinking Minnesota could just sit there at 11.
And I don't know who else, I don't think the Giants are taking JJ McCarthy. So now I think Minnesota might just kind of roll the dice a little bit,
hang at 11 and see if he's there when they pick. How much panic happens on draft night inside the
draft rooms? I know that every team's got their board. They say that they're confident in it.
And every year after the draft, every team acts like, you know, we had a plan and we stuck with
the plan. But in reality, how often does a team just break out in a cold sweat? They're afraid
they're going to miss out on their guy, whether it's a quarterback or a high level prospect
somewhere else. And they just throw all their prep out the window and move up and do something
reckless.
Well, I usually it's like they have their group of guys. So say if you're picking 15
and you're like, well, surely
one of these four players is going to be there. We love these four guys. One of the four is going
to get there. Then all of a sudden you get to like pick 11 and three of the four gone. And then it's
like, Oh crap. Like we got it. We, you know, all of a sudden we weren't planning on being aggressive.
We were planning on sitting here, but now we literally only have one more of our cluster of
guys that we really liked. So then that's when you see teams do stuff that as of like 24 hours ago, they had no intentions of doing.
Yeah. All right. So wait, I want to go back real quick to what you just said about the
moving around and maybe everyone's staying put, which would be very funny because we
had a lot of talk. Uh, it always happens, but you know, Oh, the Patriots want to move
out. The Cardinals are definitely going to move out. The Chargers want to move out. All
these teams move around. So how far could J.J. McCarthy fall if everyone
sticks to their pick and essentially the Vikings are saying, we'll wait this out and just take
them at 11. Would that be where it goes? Yeah. I don't think he gets, I mean that little
quarterback alley, like 11, 12, 13. I don't think he would go beyond that. I don't think
it'll be like a 11 situation where he dropped, you know, all the way to the second round.
But I was sniffing around this morning because I had, there's so much stuff flying around
and like one of the teams had told me like, Hey, I wouldn't be surprised if when it was
all said and done, if Pennex like went over McCarthy, like if, if the Minnesota Vikings
just held their ground and said, we're comfortable with either one of these guys.
And they're like, I wouldn't even rule out the fact that they might take, you know, Pennex
over McCarthy.
I don't think that's going to happen. I still think that would be the McCarthy spot.
But if he gets by the Giants, then I know Denver, Zach Wilson thing, I don't think that changes much
there, but everything I got from them was they were more likely to move back than to trade up.
So yeah, maybe we don't get as much movement as we thought. There's always teams willing to trade
down, but if you can't find a partner to come up, I mean, you got to stick and pick.
Yeah.
Yeah. What's interesting to me about this draft is there's not a lot of buzz around
the defense side of the ball. There are a few talented players that are in that top
10 conversation. Dallas Turner's won. I know that the Falcons are interested in, but if
there's a comparison you can make, Dallas Turner this year, how does he stack up against
some of the other edge rushers that we've seen get drafted in the top five over the
last 10 years?
Yeah, he's not in that group.
I mean, he's, I mean, just go with his teammate like him and Will Anderson.
I think Will Anderson was on another level as a player.
I think I ended up with Dallas is like 13 on my list overall.
So that's, I mean, he's a good player.
He's got, he's got some intriguing tools to work with, but he's not a, you know,
a dominant edge player.
I don't think we have one of those.
Um, that's why, like you could, you could scrimmage it out and you can come away
with scenarios where we could have like all offense in the top 10, like that
wouldn't, you know, it wouldn't totally shock me because like some, some of the
points that I'm curious about that I'm most fascinated about, like I was told that Atlanta at
eight was going to be, you know, that would be the edge rusher spot and it
would be Dallas Turner versus lots who, you know, it's like the, he's the most
natural edge rusher, but then I'm looking at it and I'm looking at the connections.
And I'm like, okay, well, the defensive coordinator, the Atlanta Falcons was
his head coach at Washington who, and Jimmy Lake, who they literally retired him.
He went and saw five doctors and they medically said, you can't play.
He goes to UCLA and takes off.
So I'm going, well, I know he must like the kid because he recruited him and he coached
him.
But then he's also keenly aware of some of the risks medically there.
So those are the puzzle pieces trying to put together.
And then with nine, I've been thinking, everybody's telling me edge rusher, edge rusher with the Bears at nine.
And I'm going, man, when you take the quarterback number one, like every decision is about making sure that pick looks right.
I'd rather have one too many studs on offense and worry about fixing, you know, maybe some of the other holes on defense.
But when their defense was good, after the sweat trade last year, I mean, what would you rather do? To
me, I'd rather just, I'm going to go get a tackle or I'm going to go get Roma Dunze.
Yeah. I think for the bears at nine, it's very simple. It's like, if you have one of
the three receivers, you can take them. If you have one of the two or three tackles,
which one, one of those will be available, you take him and then if someone offers you a
crazy deal because the Bears like they have one in nine, they only have four picks in
the whole draft. So if someone offers you something crazy to then get a maybe a second
this year and a second next year, you listen. But I agree. Like this is, this is, this is
all about Caleb Williams. Now just set him up more offensive line, better, more wide
receivers, better worry about the defense later in the draft and maybe next year.
Yeah, that's what I think. And then on the Washington side of things, I've been beating
the drum of, okay, if you're going to take Jayden at two, are you really comfortable
with your tackle situation that you're going to wait it out till 36 and 40 for a tackle?
They almost feel like they have to come back in to the first round and get one of those tackles.
I think we just found the trade. Give us 36 and 40. You can get nine.
Get up to nine? Deal?
Yeah. I mean, I'd be curious to see what those numbers look like. I haven't looked at the
trade chart, but I would think that's, if I'm the Bears, I think I would.
I think I'd do that. So maybe a third round or next year.
How about this? How about this? We'll do that, but then you have to give us the Montez Sweat pick back. No, no. No deal? No, that is, no. Yeah. Yeah. That is the pick,
right? That is the pick. It is? Yeah, that's the pick. That's why we have, that's why it
would be that. I don't like that. The boomerang. Yeah. I don't like the boomerang back. That
just feels insulting to me to stack L on top of L, but I'll consider it. If I start to
panic during draft night, I might give you a call. Okay. So I hit you up last night Daniel about this because I wanted you to I didn't want to put you on the spot. I
always like to contextualize the entirety of the draft. So I asked you for people like
I asked you the question if you ranked each position how deep does it go in terms of second
contract starter guys. So like and you don't have to do like
each offensive lineman. It could be offensive lineman in general, but I'm always just wondering
in terms of the depth of the draft, especially when people are watching the draft on day
two, day three, where they're like, okay, we know we can get, we don't know all these
names, but you know where the deep positions are in this year's draft.
Yeah. So I was very strict with how I did
this homework assignment. First of all, like look at the professionalism on the, I mean,
this is really, I mean, this is on the Detroit foundation hotel official stationary here,
but I was strict with it. So you can, you can extrapolate this, be honest, but like
a comp, like my confidence level is high. So it'll tell you this will give you a feel of the
strength of the positions. Yeah. So like, wide receivers 10 to 12
of them. Wow. Like there's 10 to 12 that I feel pretty confident
they're gonna their second contract same team commit to
them type players. That's the that was the deepest. Next up
would have been offensive tackles at eight to 10, which
is a it's actually a really big number for offensive tackles compared to most years so that would be number two
number three you kick over to the defensive side of the ball will be
corners and that you're talking like seven to eight you know of those
corners so those are the three deepest position that you know running backs for
obvious reasons I would like zero to two you know like there's not gonna be it's
not a great running back class this has nothing to do with the the value in the position all that
It's just not a it's just not a great running back class. It is not a good tight end class
Why put one to two on there?
Interior offensive lines pretty solid like five to six
So that would be you know, when you combine the interior offensive line in the tackle group, it's a really really good
Offensive line draft. And then, so you
go to the, and like safety's not great, four to five defensive tackles, edge rushers, those
are both four to five, four to six. So linebackers not good three to four. So it's, it's literally
receivers tackles corners. Those, that's the strength of the drug.
I love it though. Cause that's, that's the kind of stuff that I love knowing going in
that like, all right, if there's 10 to 12 receivers that you confidently feel, obviously draft is hard to predict.
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But these, we're talking about guys that are going to get their
second contract that you, because that's really the goal here. When you draft the player,
it's really, you're drafting them to try to get to a second contract, because that means
they were good enough to be on your team for five to seven, eight years. So if you're a
team looking for a receiver, you don't have
to panic. You know that in the second round, there's going to be a lot of guys out there
that you can pick up that could be part of your team for the next five, seven years.
Yeah. And that's, and that's one of the reasons too, like when you just boil it down to individual
decisions and if the bears don't trade out at nine and they're sitting there and you've
got the tackle versus the receiver, um, even though I've said it's a deep top group, the tackles are going to be
gone. Like those eight, 10 guys are going to fly. So the receiver, you still get a chance
to get a really good receiver with your next, you know, they don't have a two, but you know,
you get the gist of it. The depth is going to run a little bit longer at the receiver
position than any of these other spots. Yeah. One of my favorite stories in each draft is there's always seems to be like one or
two really good office of tackles. Maybe a left tackle in college,
maybe a right tackle in college, but there's a team that loves their talent,
but they just don't have a need at that side of the line.
So they draft a guy and then they're like, well,
he can learn how to play right tackle or he can shift them over to the left.
Are there any guys in this draft right now that jump off the charts in terms of
their ability where a team might say, okay,
we're going to have this guy switch sides? Well, I mean, look,
you can start right with five with the chargers because you know, I, I'm,
it's an interesting decision. I was having to talk with,
with a guy last night about this, uh, with a general manager. We were saying,
all was, you know, he's played left.
If he goes to the chargers and they're not going to move Rashawn Slater, about this with the general manager. We were saying, Alt was, you know, he's played left.
If he goes to the Chargers, they're not going to move Rashawn Slayer. The guy's an all-pro
left tackle. So, and then some people would voice concern to me of like, wow, you're going
to ask Alt to switch positions. He's a left. He's never played on the right side. And this
GM was like, you really, I mean, he's played offensive tackle, left tackle for two years.
This kid was a tight end who converted to left tackle. Within two years of playing a
position he's never played in his life, he's a top 10 pick. You don't think it's, I think it would be a lot
easier to move from left tackle to right tackle than move from tight end to left tackle. So he's
like that they'll figure it out. He'll be fine. So some people don't like it of moving a guy from
one side to the other. Others have more concern, but like a guy like Fuaga from Oregon State who's a really good tackle, a right
tackle, I know teams like with him specifically who have an aging tackle and they're like, look,
the thing I like about him, he's our right guard year one. And then once our tackle ages out,
we can kick him out and do that. So, you know, I think there's different ways of looking at it,
but there are some teams that are more strict, like, Hey, he's been in a left handed stance
his whole life. I'm not going to ask him to, you know, I don't want to draft him and move
him over to the other side. Yeah. Can you give us your top three freaks in this draft?
Athletic freaks. Ooh, yeah. Um, I would say, I mean, Brian Thomas is, is way up there.
Um, you go Brian Thomas, the receivers are going to be the easy ones.
And and Adonai Mitchell, both those guys, LSU in Texas,
like total, total freak show dudes.
And then I would say, if I want to get somebody on the defensive side of the ball,
absolute freak.
Well, I mean, I think in his own way, I think Byron Murphy's got some freak to him.
Defensive tackle from from Texas.
He's not a huge dude, but just super, super twitched up and explosive.
What about what about a freak who's going to go late in the draft that is like raw where
you're like, all right, he's not he hasn't played enough football or he hasn't been coached
enough.
But everything that he has size wise speed wise, if he puts it all together, he will be a real gem.
Yeah, I'll give you this name. It's kind of a fun one. It was Travis Clayton. This dude,
so this dude's 6'7", he's 301 pounds, he's a tackle, he ran 4'8". I say he's a tackle,
he's from England. So he hasn't played. He's played soccer. He's been a boxer and he's been a rower.
I don't have any idea how any of that translates to the NFL, but I did spend 15 minutes of a Saturday
watching a workout and I've convinced myself that in the sixth round, this guy's getting to be an
unbelievable player. I put college, like I have my Excel sheet, you know, like the position, the name,
like the height, weight, speed, the grade, and then the ranking.
And I have the college in there.
I put college like England.
I don't know.
I don't know how I, what do I do with that?
I love those guys though.
The project guys.
That would be awesome.
He dude, I'm telling you, like I've never given somebody so much credit for running
over a bag, but I was like, this is graceful.
Look at this guy move.
This is beautiful.
Yeah. What if he was, yeah, he could be, he could be like a Kyle Brady type
where it's like, he's just another offensive lineman. He also can, can run and catch balls.
No one can tackle him. Yeah. Yeah. No. What was the guy? Why am I a George fan was another one who
was like, remember Seattle just used him as like the sixth offensive lineman for like 40% of the
snaps one year. Yeah. I think that was at the time cable years where he was just like, I'll take anybody
that's big and I'll teach them how to play offensive line. Yeah. Yeah. That's it. And
we're going to play all of them. Yeah. What about the S2 cognition test? We're big fans
of it. We think that it was a, it's a very valuable tool that can be used to determine
which quarterback should drop to number two. So are they, are teams still using it or is
there, I guess maybe
a more interesting way to ask would be like what's what's the new s2 cognition test this year where
there's a there's like an edge that teams are trying to get with some sort of new technology
that's very important to them. In post are you going to put like some Sarah McLaughlin music
underneath this this conversation with it in memory.
Yeah. I mean, I look, I know a bunch, I know like athletes first is a huge agency and
they had Stroud and like none of their guys took it, um, this year, like they,
and I think that it's not just them.
I think there's other people that their players aren't going to take it anymore.
Uh, after all that information got out, I think everybody's always trying to
find like the cheat code of, of doing this, of evaluating quarterbacks.
And I'm like, I don't think there is one.
There's no test, there's no stat,
there's no like the old Parcells formula
if you drop them through that formula
and the number starts and graduated
and all it happened and all that stuff.
There is no cheat code.
And it's like, I don't wanna,
it sounds weird to say it because I
can disqualify myself here, but at the end of the day, it almost feels more like a coin
flip on these quarterbacks and more so than anybody has the exact answer of how to figure
it out.
Alex, to give you a cheat code, I think we know what the new science is going to be to
determine whether or not a quarterback will be successful. It's you take themgolf and then you have them compete against each other in Topgolf.
And then that's a great way to figure out how you're definitely not going to draft a
bust.
Yeah.
I mean, but I see this is, I think of being the scout in this situation.
Like if I was in the room and they're like, guys, like we're at Topgolf.
If I have a big grade on the quarterback and he's just crushing it, right?
Crushing drives at Topgolf.
I'm like, this guy's so athletic,
literally any sport he can do it,
like he's a natural competitor,
like he's great at everything.
If he goes out there and he literally is shanking everything,
he can't hit the ball straight.
Like this guy's so obsessed with football.
Like you think he has time to go golf?
Like this guy is just grinding tape.
Like he's not out there on his free time
hitting the golf ball.
Like this is the guy you want.
So I could swing it either way.
Yeah, you can.
It's always fun to do that.
Just whatever, like it's the J.J. McCarthy conundrum where you're like, oh, he didn't
play a lot.
He didn't throw a lot, but when he did throw, it was awesome.
You can just convince yourself one way or the other on the argument.
Yeah, 100%.
On the McCarthy thing, one of my favorite stories with him through this draft process
is he's watching tape with somebody and they're going through his tape and kind of he's answering like
what he sees all this kind of stuff and they're in the end. I don't remember what game it was.
He's like they get to the 20, it going in, get to the 20 and JJ goes like you can fast forward it.
And he's like, well, no, I want to see like your reads and what he's like, it's Michigan football.
Like we're going to run it six times in the score. Like you can fast forward. And he's like, look, we did all this
stuff and practice every day. But in, and I don't know how you argue with Michigan. Like
their philosophy was like, we don't have to, like we can beat all of these teams by just
doing this. Why would we do anything else? Yeah, I agree. All right. Uh, another question,
this is, this is real nitty gritty stuff that I know that you can answer. I love to think ahead. What does next year's draft look like and what are teams
thinking in relation to next year's draft where they're like, this position is going
to suck next year. We got to get it this year.
Well, I know I was talking to a GM who had this conversation with his owner because the
owner wanted to say what's coming down the line at the quarterback position. And the
GM was like, well, right now, it doesn't look great. But like
last year at this time, we wouldn't have been talking about
Jay Daniels, the Joe Burrow year, we wouldn't have been
talking about Joe Burrow. Like, these guys, every year, these
guys come out of the woodwork and you see guys improve,
they'll transfer, get in the right spot. I mean, but looking
ahead, it doesn't look great at that position right now. But
the, you know, like his message to his owner was like, there's always going to be, right?
There's always going to be quarterbacks. So even though we don't know who they are at
this point in time, I don't think you can panic this year and say, Oh, but correct.
We trade everything. Let's go up and get one of these guys we don't love, but we don't
know what's coming next year. You kind of just got to have some faith that those guys
all emerge. Yeah. Yeah. It's kind of pointless to look that far in the future because I love doing anything happen. Yeah
Yeah, just being like well, we got to get it now
You can convince it's similar the JJ McCarthy or top golf and just convince yourself one way or the other
And then if there's like a quarterback you project already as being really high next year
And he doesn't quite live up to those expectations next year
You still kind of have that high grade on him because you're like, yeah
Well, you know, he had that body of evidence in the past. You can never really be wrong about
it. Yeah, right. It's great. It's good. What mock draft are you on right now? Is this mock
4.0? I thought I think I've done four. I've got my last one. I got to turn it in today
as we're recording this and then that'll come out tomorrow night. So I used to like push,
push back on it because I'm like, dude, if you just let me get like to Thursday because
you'll hear more stuff and blah, blah, blah. And then I realized two things. Number one, stop
taking this so seriously. It's a mock draft. And number two, the information that you get
in the last 24 hours tends to be like the worst information in the entire process. So
just turn it in Tuesday morning and be done with it.
Yeah.
So what would you grade yourself for? What's it, what does success look like for your most
recent mock draft?
If you get six, seven guys in the right spot, what is it?
I don't think it's more than 10, honestly.
I really don't.
But to me, I always kind of look at it and see of the 32 players,
how many of the 32 players that went in the first round
did you have in the first round?
Hopefully it's at least like 25, you know, 26 of those guys.
So we're talking about the right people basically.
But you know, one trade and the whole thing's, you know,
it's all screwed once you get one of those trades
that happens and there's no way to predict that stuff.
So I used to like, oh man,
what like talk to 90 people and then stress over this stuff.
And I'm like, they just kind of use some logic,
common sense, look at how they've done things
and throw it in there and move on.
What's your worst miss when it comes to a mock draft?
Oh, I mean, like there's misses like this every year.
Like last year, I was told that Indy was either Levis
or Richardson, like it was that was still,
it was those two guys, one of those two guys.
So I'm like, well, flip a coin. I'll go with, I'll go with Levis. And then he doesn't, you know, he doesn't
go, he not only doesn't go there, he drops out of the whole, whole first round. So there's
guys, there's stuff like that, that happens all the time.
What, so you were obviously, you know, a scout, you're in war rooms. Whenever a draft completes,
I know personally, I'm just like,
yeah, the Bears nailed it because you have, you know, between the draft and when they
start playing football, you can just convince yourself that yeah, we got every great pick.
This is awesome. A plus. Was there ever a draft where you guys were like, we actually
didn't do that great? Or is it like everyone we love? Like you're like, maybe like, oh,
we really wanted this guy and we weren't able to get him.
We just don't feel that great about the draft
we just submitted.
Yeah, I mean, I've had a draft in Cleveland.
We didn't pick the fourth round.
I mean, so it was like, that was brutal.
I ate a lot of cookies in the draft room that year,
just poured out of my mind.
But yeah, that one, I mean, you didn't know what,
and it ended up not being very good,
but you didn't know what you had ended up not being very good. But we,
you didn't know what you had at that point in time with that group. But I know before I got to the
Ravens, I know that they, you know, like, I think it was Ed, it had been the Ed Reed draft or the
Ray Lewis draft, one of those hall of famers where they had targeted another player who didn't end up
being great. And they were kind of, you know, let down and bummed about that a little bit. And then
after like one mini rookie, many camps like, holy crap, like, yeah, this worked out. This worked out
quite well for us.
Yeah. It is so funny because it's just like, I just never even thought a draft room could
just walk out and be like, damn, we kind of blew that. Because you'd think that no matter
what, you'd just be like, all right, whatever we got, we have some time to work with these
guys. You don't know what, that's the beauty of a draft pick. You don't know what you can always just think
of their ceiling, not their floor, but just walking out of a draft and being like, fuck,
we kind of fucked that up. There's been, I mean, there's been times for sure. I had no
one year I was in Philadelphia where there was a player we took in the second or third
round that just individually I had a very low grade on and it's like, it's the weirdest feeling in the world, man, because you're like, for
my livelihood, I need this to be a really good player and hopefully we win and we all
get playoff bonuses. But there's also the part of like, I didn't think this guy was
very good. Yeah. And so it's like, is this this reflecting on me as an, you know, as
an evaluator? And it was one of those deals where I think we kind of went off of more of like, you know, closer, somebody had a close relationship
with the coach, the college coach and kind of was kind of word over, over what you've
seen and he didn't, he did not end up being a good player, but that's a, that's a weird,
it's a weird vibe when you're like individually, like I don't really like this dude, but now
I'm, I hope he's great. Yeah. It's a tough victory lap to take too. If you were like, I don't like this guy, they drafted him and then he told you guys. Yeah wrong. Yeah, it would be tough victory lap to take too if you were like
I don't like this guy they drafted him and then told you guys yeah
And then yeah, like he misses he misses a tackle in a game that costs us the playoffs
I'm like I told you guys yeah, right you guys were wrong
Yeah, but by the way it is I know it's a weird feeling for guys who are doing it is their job in the scouting rooms
But it's actually a very relatable feeling to all of us because I don't think I've ever done a fantasy football draft where I'm like, I love my
team. I literally submit it and I'm like, what the fuck? That was a terrible, I
hate my team. I despise my team already. I'm a bad drafter.
Yeah. Do you read the...
No, I think that's real.
Yeah. Do you read the grades for the drafts?
I know. I've fortunately have been out of the grade business. I had to do that in my first couple of years at NFL Network.
I don't push back on much stuff, but that one was like, can we just please find somebody
else to do that?
I have no interest in it.
I think it's the silliest thing, but obviously it gets a lot of attention and people read
it and all that, but I just think it's like, do it in two it in two years. And then it's like, then it's a real exercise. But this is kind of silly. All you're doing is reinforcing
whatever your own opinion was before the drafts. There's no facts. There's no facts involved
in any of it.
Yeah. You're mad at teams for not doing what you would have done in that draft. And you're
like, F. My favorite is always the, the Seahawks draft from 2012 where they drafted Russell
Wilson, Bobby Wagner. I think Bruce Irvin as well. And then I think
Bleacher Report gave him an F and said, none of these picks made any sense whatsoever,
which actually now that I'm thinking about, they might've been Bleacher Report might've
been right about Russell Wilson. Yeah. Yeah. 10 years. Super bowl. Yeah. They're correct.
Two Superbowl parents. Now I'm the idiot for mocking the guy that gave the bad grade on
draft night. So hand up. I'll do when I'm wrong. Yeah, it's true.
Yeah, I mean, I don't know what the,
people read it though, so people care.
Oh, I read every single one.
The funny thing is you'll be shocked how many teams,
like GMs that get pissed at these grades.
Yeah.
I'm like, who do you care?
Like, who cares, man?
Like, you like him, hopefully he's a good player,
but like, this doesn't mean anything
coming from anybody out here. Yeah, I also just seek out whoever gives the Bears the highest grade
I'm just like I'll just find an a somewhere
Someone gave us an a somewhere and then I'll just like that guy fuck. He's does anybody go lower than a C
Yes. Yes, sometimes sometimes they'll do like I think when the with the Lions pick Gibbs in the first round
I think a lot of a lot of yeah had them as like D minus D plus because they're like that
was a reach for running back that that is what really sets off the the draft
graders is if you reach for a running back they'll be like F yeah yeah yeah
the red pen comes out yeah exactly all right so I got one last question DJ
this has been awesome we love having you on every year
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by that team.
Oh that's a good one. Let me see. Late first round, early second round.
You know who I really like, teams are kind of split on, but I really like him is NS
Rake Straw, the corner from Missouri.
He didn't run great.
He ran like four or five one, but like he's so fun to watch.
Like he's so tough.
Like you'll see pulling guards, like he'll he'll go right. He'll go attack him like
he just plays way bigger than his size. And he went up
against a lot of the top dudes in the SEC and held up really
well. So he's one I think will slide a little bit just because
he ran like 451 and he's 183 pounds. But like I think you'll
be watching games on Sunday next year and be like, dude, this
guy's this guy's making plays pretty good. He's like a he's
like a little bit like a Kirkland brand witherspoon frompoon from, uh, from last year. Like just kind of
like the, like the knockoff. All right. So when we see the name, Ennis Rake straw come
through, we're going to be like, that's a great pick Costco. Yeah. Yeah. Costco. Although
that's, I mean, Kirkland brand is awesome. Their hot dogs are still cheap as hell. Yeah.
Is it still a buck 50? I have not been in a while. Yeah. They're never going to change
it. It's fantastic. It's the best deal. Yeah. I feel like every time I would go there too,
I feel like the churro got longer. Like they just keep giving you more churro. They're pranking us.
Yeah. And then watching the pizza sauce, the pizza machine. My kids like to watch the pizza
machine where they do the sauce and the, and the, that's pretty cool. Yeah. I think their vodka was
ranked best vodka in America. Like it tastes better than right now. We're just doing a commercial
for Costco. But yeah, what about, what about the golf balls? Because I feel like
every time I'm trying to find my ball, I find like four Kirkland balls. Yeah. Those are
the most lost golf balls. Yeah. You're absolutely right. Cause I think people that buy their
golf balls from Costco are the ones that are spraying with the tree. Yeah. That's the spray
chart for Kirkland brand is just the woods. Yes. And I think there's also, obviously you get him in bulk.
I would imagine it's a very good deal, which would leave you less likely to want
to hunt that thing down. You're like, ah, let's forget it.
Yeah. Just keep going.
It's a fascinating study. My last question is how,
how deep into the second round can a team delude themselves and be like, well,
our early second round pick is that's basically a first rounder.
Is it like the top five picks in the second round?
You can say, essentially a first round pick.
I think if you're taking a wide receiver
and in the top of the second round,
you can be like, I got a first round player
just because maybe they get pushed down a little bit
because of the depth there.
I think for the most part, the defensive side of the ball,
I don't think you're getting a,
you're not gonna get a first round player
in the top of the second round in this draft.
So I would say if your team drafted a whiteout
in the second round, you can, you know,
bump your chest a little bit and say,
dude, we just got a first round type player
with a first round grade here in the second round.
How many first round grades do you have in this draft?
Well, it's kind of, you know, the way that,
the way that it is, it wouldn't say like,
just like first round grade second round grade
I would say like where the falloff point is I
Think you get to I can probably go like 20 22 deep is around where that spot would be
Okay, and then I think it starts to starts to drift off a little bit. I like that. I love the falloff points
Yeah, 22 first round picks but 32 32 picks. Oh, cool. Yeah.
Those other guys shouldn't even be there.
Well, to that point, like 24 and 34,
I don't know that it's that.
You're not getting that different of a player.
OK, that's good to know.
All right, well, DJ, thank you as always.
Best of luck.
We'll be watching.
You're the best.
And yeah, good luck on the draft on Thursday night.
I appreciate it. Congratulations
to both your teams. I'm looking forward to seeing that NFC championship game next year.
Yeah, we're yeah next year. Think about it this way next year. This time we're going to be having
you on and we're going to be like, so the Bears pick 32, the commanders pick 30. We beat them in
the NFC championship game. This is crazy. Yeah, we're not actually, we probably won't have you
on next year because we won't care about the draft
We're drafting so late in the first round
Yeah, you can go on Max's podcast that he does with the Eagles drafting numbers. You guys yeah, you guys are talking baseball
All right, thanks so much DJ all right guys
And now for something completely different. Okay we now welcome on our very good friend, recurring guest.
It is Field Yates from ESPN and he will be on your television on draft night.
Let's start there Field before we get into maybe some draft intel that you have for us.
How are we feeling about draft night?
What is your exact role and are you, like this is your first time doing like the whole thing, right?
Yeah, this is my first time doing it in this capacity. So on Thursday and Friday I'll be
part of the ABC broadcast. So ESPN has the traditional ESPN broadcasts, which will be
Kiper and Greeny and Booger and Lewis Riddick on the primary sets with Molly McGrath doing
the player interviews. And there might be a couple others that I'm missing there, but
that'll be sort of the people that you'll be hearing the most from on ESPN.
And then on ABC, it'll have a little bit of a different feel to it.
It's called sort of the storytelling broadcast.
So you might hear a bit more about the players, about the humans, excuse me,
on top of the players.
But it'll be a lot of familiar faces to college football people.
It will be Reese Davis hosting with Kirk Herbstree,
Desmond Howard, and then Nick Saban making his ESPN slash ABC debuts. That'd be sweet.
Pete Thamel myself and then Laura Rutledge will be doing the player interviews on the
ABC side. And then on a Saturday we've got the full rounds four through seven. I'll be
back over on the ESPN set as we reduced down to just one broadcast. So you're doing the
tragedy broadcast.
I hope it's not too much tragedy, but I've thought about that.
Yeah, I was reading through.
So I've been spending, uh, you know, at some point you kind of have to turn the page on,
uh, like, you know, all the film study and all like the various notes you've been taking
on players and just kind of remind yourself about the things that you've, you've seen
or things that you've tracked over the past 11 or so months.
And I was looking for a few more uplifting stories because I am mindful of the people that feel
like the draft, which is supposed to be this very celebratory night, can turn a bit somber
sometimes.
Yeah.
That's smart.
How many names do you know right now?
Ooh.
Ooh.
Good question.
There are probably upwards of... Yeah.
ESPN asked me how many I wanted to have ranked.
Actually, Kuiper gave me a little hint here, but I thought it was a useful one.
So I ended up ranking 200 for ESPN.com.
Probably had closer to 330 or 340 players ranked.
The reason why we cut it off though is,
I think this is probably logical to you guys,
but people who watch the draft broadcasts
or a little bit less football guys
may not necessarily think of it this way,
is as you get further and further away from player number one the difference between like player 150 and
190 is pretty negligible right it's a lot of times as simple as like preference
maybe the system you're playing and etc but it even gets you know more and and
more difficult to sort of figure out the difference between 220 and 250 so Kuiper
said hey cut it off at 200, at least in year one,
because the last thing you want is player 325 in your board
to be drafted at 110th.
And people saying, why the heck did whatever this team reach
by 200 plus slots according to your big board,
when the reality is it might be that player 110 and player
320 aren't that dissimilar of players,
even if the rankings suggest just a huge gap.
Are you taking them at the end of the draft because you want to control where he's going
to go and you think, oh, there's another team that's closer to him geographically that he
might end up going to as a free agent.
So let's just use our pick to get that guy in camp.
Yeah, that's sort of the mentality.
Yeah, I mean, I think the reality of rounds four through seven, two guys, as you guys
I'm sure know this, but like it's just so much of it is much more like beauty
in the eye of the beholder, right?
There are certain teams who their offensive line preferences
more athletic guys, some teams prefer size,
some teams prefer corners that maybe don't necessarily
have great size but have great speed.
Other teams can compromise speed for size.
So, well, I think the first 20, 25, 30 players on the board are probably
going to be named at the league evaluates pretty closely and certainly in the first,
you know, 10 picks, that's going to be the case.
But the further we get from pick number one, the more and more likely we are to have
some curveballs.
And as a result of that, those rankings can become at least in my mind, a bit more
difficult to accurately pinpoint when you're scouting for 32 teams as scouting, as opposed to just scouting for one team.
Yeah. The first two rounds are for criticizing all the other teams. And then rounds like
three through seven are basically selling yourself on whoever your team picks, being
like, this is actually a steal. We got diamond. I can't believe we got this guy. Yeah. Yeah.
100%. Yeah. Like there's, there's a couple of kids, uh, there's a handful of players from both North Dakota and South Dakota, North
Dakota states, South Dakota state and university of South Dakota, who are all good players,
but I really can't wait for people to say like with absolute conviction, like we got
that guy in the fourth, like we got him in the fourth. You're kidding me? That corner
from, from South Dakota, like most people had them, you know, in the third round, we
got him in the fourth, like imagine like, you know, we just,
you might as well book the playoff tickets now.
Yeah.
It's a part of the exercise for sure.
All right, so I just looked up your top 200.
Thank you for ranking Caleb Williams number one.
But I, so you have Caleb Williams number one.
You have Marvin Harrison third.
I feel like everyone has said that Marvin Harrison is,
if you just went best player, like best pro on the board,
Marvin Harrison would be number one. So why do you have two quarterbacks? You have Caleb
Williams won, Jaden Daniels too. Why do you have them ahead of Marvin Harrison?
Yeah, part of it's the positional value. Just because if Jaden Daniels and Caleb Williams
become top 15 players at their position, which, you know, obviously both the Bears and the commanders are hopeful that it's,
you know, top five players, their respective positions, a top 15
quarterback is going to get paid way more than the number one wide
receiver in the NFL. And I think you would argue that a top 15 ish
quarterback can tilt the fortunes of a team a lot more than the number
one wide receiver in the NFL. So at the very top, it feels a little bit sort of like, it just feels kind of weird when you're talking about players saying Marvin Harrison isn't the best in the NFL draft feels like kind of a shot at him, but it's a bit of just like baking in the value of those guys being quarterbacks. And I do feel as though, you know, this is sort of a two quarterback tier at the top of the board. I've got a lot of love for Drake May, who's
fifth on the board as well.
But I do see a gap between Caleb Williams and Jaden Daniels
and Drake May.
So I thought that sort of having that quarterback, quarterback,
then wide receiver, wide receiver run at the very top
did reflect how I view this sort of draft class at the very top.
I would personally take Marvin Harrison, Jr.
But we do need a quarterback in DC.
So I'm happy to take quarterback for the record.
Marvin Harrison is an AWL, listens to every podcast.
I have your son ranked number one, sir.
So don't come at us with anything like that.
That's the respect he deserves.
Yeah, I mean, he's and like Marvin Harrison, Jr.
It's really there's like not a single thing in his game
that you can point to that isn't at an above average or excellent level. That's kind of one of
the cool things about this draft class and you got three receivers at the very
top, him and Malik neighbors and also Martin then also Roma Dunze where one of
them is gonna have to be the third receiver taken and it might not be until
the seventh eighth or ninth pick and in a different drafts like all three of
those guys could easily be the number one wide receiver taken and maybe even the top three selections.
So it's going to sound to one of these teams like they're getting the third best wide receiver, I guess, in the fan bases of these teams.
But the reality is there's a very, very small difference at the very top between Marvin Harrison Jr., Malik neighbors and Roman Dunes.
All three of those guys are part of the blue chip group that we have in this year's class. I would say along with, you know, three of the quarterbacks plus Brock Bowers, like it's pretty special
seven or eight players at the very top of the board.
I don't know if you're looking for tips for Thursday night, but here's the tip. Yeah.
Okay. I, I really wish Roma Dunze's name was Romeo and Dunze.
That is a good one. Did you hear the reason why his name is Rome? His dad was infatuated
with the Roman Empire. So that's how they land. I like that. That's a good one. Did you hear the reason why his name is Rome? His dad was infatuated with the Roman Empire
So that's how they like it about Roman Empire. That's a that's a football guy move right there
But wouldn't it be cold Romeo plus move Romeo and doomsday? Yeah, Romeo do it would be a great NBA prospect
Yeah, true. Yeah
Yeah, I don't know if he has any basketball in his background, but if he does might make more sense
Oh since you know all the stories who's the best athlete in another sport in the draft?
Well, J.J. McCarthy was an awesome hockey player and the cross player growing up. So,
he's a three-sport athlete. He's certainly up there. Keon Coleman played. Keon Coleman,
the Florida State wide receiver, began his career at Michigan State. He was on the basketball team
for a year. So, he was a sick athlete as well, which kind of shows up. I
feel like sometimes we do that too often. We try to you know,
like DJ Burns, we tried to make that an NFL thing for a minute
during North Carolina State's run to the to the Final Four.
But the key on Colvin, like the basketball stuff does kind of
show up like he plays above the rim and the red zones like
constantly making catches over defenders and going up for
catches with one hand and somehow
bringing them down. He certainly would be on the short list as well. There's always
a handful of basketball guys, it feels like, in every class. I'm trying to think of anybody
else that has an obvious multi-sport background that I'm forgetting off the top of my head,
but those two came to mind.
I love whenever that's a story just because it's like, man, these guys just have it all
where it's like, yeah, did you know that this guy who's getting drafted in the top ten could could throw 99 miles an hour?
This guy's good at sports
Athlete is really athletic crazy how that works right is there any play that you're looking at that's going to
Either give Roger Goodell a giant giant giant hug or maybe a very confusing
Handshake that Roger Goodell won't be able to keep up with. Ooh, good one. I got to shoot. There's only 13 players going to the draft this year. Do you
guys see how small that list is? It's crazy. Oh, people are getting scared, huh?
They don't want the green room. I don't know what's going on. Yeah, I don't know if that's
because, I don't know if it's just because there's a little bit more uncertainty in terms of who's
going to go there. I don't know if players are wary of being the guy left in the green room,
potentially overnight. I feel like all 13 guys that are going,
I feel pretty good about them being taken in the first round.
So I have to go back and look at the list.
But this offensive line class is full of absolutely massive
humans.
If Marius Mims went, he's from Georgia,
if he is going to the draft and I don't believe he was invited,
he would be a leader in the clubhouse.
I saw this note, ESPN Stats and Information Group
does a great job of pulling together notes
on like the top 200 prospects.
And I know you guys love like talk of wingspan
and hand size and things like that
during the pre-draft process.
And they dropped in there that Marius Mim's wingspan
is a quarter of an inch shorter than Yannis'.
So just to give you some perspective
in terms of how big this human is. So I feel like if he goes to the draft and I don't think
he was on that list, but if he did go, if he decided to make a last minute call and
fly to Detroit, I feel like a Marius Mitz would swallow Roger Goodell.
It'd be very funny if as the first zoom or quarterback, Caleb Williams just gave him
a big kiss on the lip. Oh, I love it. Just like made out with the cadet. Maybe cupped his balls. Yeah. What? Wait, who's got the biggest hands?
I believe it's Patrick Paul, whose older brother, Chris Paul, not to be confused with
Rossella's Chris Paul plays for the commanders who actually took over as a starter second half of
last season. I think he's at like 10 and a half inch hands. A Penex has huge hands as well.
You know, it's weird. I feel like there's been less talk about hand size this year
with the quarterbacks, which is good.
I don't know if I've seen this,
and I haven't been doing this nearly as long as Kiper,
but I ran it off him and he did not have a great recall
of a player with this kind of measurement.
But Oldu Fashanu, the left tackle from Penn State,
who could be a top 10 pick,
certainly a top 15 or 18 pick,
guys to stud.
He was actually Caleb Williams' teammate in high school. So he protected for him for a few years there and then went to
Penn State. He has, I think someone saw this, like one of the smallest hands on record at
the combine, eight and a half inches for an offense. So you would just think that an offensive
lineman just based off of the position they play and their overall size would have bare
cloths, but he's got eight and a half inch hands. So that's an important stat that people need to be aware of for Thursday night. I'm not
sure what it means, but it's important. That's really tiny. Like that's a good star for human
being. I liked that a lot too. Have any teams taken our advice and started measuring quarterbacks
to the eyeball and not to the top of the head? I've seen, well, do we have any quarterbacks
this year that have a, like a hairstyle that would make the top of the head a little bit like trickier?
Bo Nix has done the spiky hair.
Bo Nix has done the spiky hair.
Oh yeah.
Yeah.
Well, I was kind of surprised.
I saw Bo at the senior bowl and then I went to Oregon Pro Day.
He was bigger than I realized.
Maybe I just, I don't know why I assumed that he wasn't like all of six, two, six, two and
a half, but Bo kind of surprised me with this size.
All right.
So, uh, let's talk real
quick about like some of the scuttlebutt that's going on right now. I saw a report that the
Patriots are trying to trade out a three. So how much is that reality and what would
be their plan there? They're now saying we don't want a quarterback. Yeah so first of
all I had to stop listening to McShea with you guys on Monday about 15 minutes in because
I was starting to realize that Todd and I had heard some
Similar thing. I love Todd obviously he's awesome and and he was great on he's great with you guys from the part that I heard
But I was realizing we were starting to hear the same things and I was like, you know what?
I don't want to come on the show and simply regurgitate what I think Todd had said a lot of it sounded pretty good to me
So I had to cut myself off. So if this some of this sounds like repeat from for McShay
I don't want people to think that it's just because I heard McShay, but rather
to sort of support that, like maybe there's some validity to some of the things that we
are hearing.
I like this. You did, you did, you did your due diligence. We're, we are going to need
you to after the draft, finish that episode for the numbers.
Oh no, I'll, I'll, I'll do it. I'll do it after we finished today. I still want to hear
what Todd had to say. Yeah, yeah, no doubt. That's loyalty. But, um, so the Patri no, I'll do it. I'll do it after we finish today. I still want to hear what Todd had to say. Got it, got it, got it.
That's loyalty. But so the Patriots, I think they would be, I think they would listen.
I think they'll listen to an offer at pick three only because, you know, obviously if their board
is Caleb Williams, Jaden Daniels, and Drake May slash JJ McCarthy in terms of the third and fourth
quarterbacks, then you're getting at best your third or fourth quarterback and QBs can kind of be like real estate, right? Like there
might be whatever a few houses on the market for the same price and you see one differently
than the other and reasonable minds can agree on things and reasonable minds can disagree
on things. That being said, the Patriots need a quarterback so bad right now.
Right.
They're roster, and obviously they have so many holes.
But I would be surprised if the Patriots ended up
trading out of pick three.
What I don't know for sure right now,
and I suppose this could change with one tweet from Schefter
or a big insider that suggests where the Patriots could turn,
I think it would end up being Drake-May.
I don't think J.J. McCarthy should be totally ruled out,
but I do lean towards Drake in that scenario.
But the problem with trading down,
I've talked about this throughout the process
for the Patriots or anybody else that's sort of been rumored
as a potential trade-down candidate
that needs a quarterback is while the Patriots could trade down
and maybe get the Vikings 11th overall pick,
23rd overall pick, and then a pick next year, whether it's a first round pick or something
else significant, is the Patriots wouldn't have a quarterback in that scenario. And then a year
from now, the Patriots could find their way to six or seven wins. I don't know that I view them
right now as a team that's going to be very good. That being said, it's the NFL, right? The Giants
this past season are a good example of this. If the Giants had finished with the fourth worst record
in the NFL and had the fourth pick, we might all be talking about four quarterbacks going off the
board to begin the draft without any trades whatsoever. But instead, the Giants might not
draft a quarterback in part because in order to get up to pick four, they might have to move maybe a first round pick in 2025 along with pick six. So you might get a bunch of assets when
you trade down, but you might just need to repurpose them a year from now to get back up to take one of
those quarterbacks. And while anything can happen and Chedur Sanders and Quinn Newers and a handful
of other quarterbacks certainly are going to be talked about a lot going into the 2025 draft cycle. You just don't know until those guys go through their final
season. Jayden Daniels is a good example of how a player can certainly rise way up. And
then Drake may is an example of a guy who, uh, you know, coming into the season, people
would have thought there was no way anybody could challenge Caleb Williams except for
Drake may. And now Drake could, we'll see, but could be the third quarterback off the
board.
Yeah. All right. So when it comes to the quarterbacks, Caleb Williams, he's going to Chicago. We've
established that the Bears are all in on him. He's gonna be awesome. He's gonna be awesome.
He's gonna be awesome. One of the best quarterbacks that we've ever seen. Ever.
I always like when teams are like leading up to the draft, you'll talk about the presumptive
number one pick quarterback and then compare them like to quarterbacks from 10 years ago. Right now, that guy I feel
like is still Andrew Luck where they say is the most surefire prospect since it's always
Andrew Luck right now if you have a really good quarterback. But if you were to compare
Caleb with the number one quarterbacks that have been drafted in say the last five years
as prospects, where would, no, I last five years as prospects? This is mean.
No, I'm just curious.
Where would you rank Caleb in terms of all the top prospects?
This is mean, because I know the answer.
I would think, and let me just make sure.
So five years would be 2018 to 2022, right?
Yeah.
Going into the process.
Going into, like not based off what we know now, right?
Because over the last five years.
But we do know what we know now.
Yeah, OK. Josh and Lamar have raised the bar, right? Because for the last five years. But we do know what we know now, yeah, okay.
Yeah, Josh and Lamar have raised,
you know, have raised the bar, right?
I mean, those guys from the 2018 draft class
are certainly at a different level.
But I would say going into the draft,
it would be Caleb and Trevor,
sort of in tier one by themselves.
And, you know, we'll see with Trevor.
I still have a lot of optimism on what he can become.
It's been kind of a weird start
through the first three years.
But I would say that Caleb is sort of right there with Trevor
in terms of tier one quarterbacks going
into the process.
Obviously, what they become after they get drafted
is a whole different part of the conversation.
But that's where I would view him as, at least.
I mean, Jaden Daniels had one of the best college
seasons we've seen, maybe ever.
He won the Heisman Trophy, which already puts him
on the short list.
And that wasn't enough to overtake Caleb Williams.
So I think that sort of suggests just how much
of a shirt thing is not the word I like to use,
but how strong of a prospect Caleb Williams is
and why that number one pick was so valuable for the Bears.
When you were asking me for like a comparison, you know,
we always do this thing where we compare guys
from like the last 10 years or so.
My favorite thing with working with Kuiper is, you know, Kuiper will be like, he'll be talking about some
wide receiver like, you know, Malachi Corley, who might go in the second round. He'll be
like, feel, you know, doesn't he remind you of like Al Toon who got drafted in like 1974?
And I'm like, maybe that's possible. Right. But, but Mel, you know, obviously when you
got a 46 year roll the decks of prospects to work off of his comparisons date a little bit further back than I do but I don't recall quite what
the players were like back in 1976.
Yeah all right so we had another one I'm curious about with JJ McCarthy. There's now I'm here
this is all hearing internally literally in our office there's debates that he is going
to be like Will Levis in that he will fall and this is all just fodder and people are pumping him up. What's the reality?
I don't think he'll fall. I don't know that he'll go third overall, which I mentioned
earlier is like, I would say there's a chance. I don't know if it's a great chance. I wouldn't
totally dismiss it, but he's not going to fall too far. I would think the floor for
JJ McCarthy, the absolute floor would be 11th for
the Vikings. But that would be a really like that would be a ballsy game of chicken. The Vikings
will be playing if they don't move up from pick 11 and just imagine like the possibility of JJ
McCarthy falling to them is in play, right? Because you can make a case that, you know,
obviously the Cardinals aren't taking the quarterback, the Chargers aren't the Titans,
aren't the Falcons. I don't think, the Bears obviously aren't with number nine,
and the Jets not at number 10. The problem is the Broncos at 12 and the Raiders at 13 are looming,
right? So all three of those teams were kind of competing against each other with this smaller,
you know, every pick away from one reduces the size of the quarterback pool. So I think JJ's
floor is 11. I think the more realistic floor is probably somewhere
within the first six picks because I do think we'll have
at least one trade up.
But my grip on like where these quarterbacks are gonna go
feels a lot, like a lot weaker once we get past JJ
cause I think there are people that feel like
Mike Pennex Jr is a lock to go by 13
at the absolute latest for the Raiders.
And there are others who say,
I could see both he and Bo having to wait around a little while. I'm starting to move closer
and closer towards Penix definitely going early off the board and Bo finding his way
to the first round as well.
Yeah.
Interesting. So if JJ is truly the best quarterback that's ever played at the University of Michigan,
as Coach Harbaugh said, wouldn he could say, because he's counting himself.
He's counting himself, and he's counting Tom Brady,
and he's counting everybody.
If he truly believes that, wouldn't he want to draft him?
You would think so, right?
Yeah, no respect for Denaard Robinson,
others that have made their way through Michigan, by the way,
from Jim Harbaugh.
It's actually kind of a brilliant play
in this regard, right?
I'm not saying that JJ McCarthy wouldn't have been in the conversation without Jim Harbaugh's approval. I do believe that
he would be very much in this conversation. But Jim Harbaugh being the ultimate hype man has been
a nice way to remind people about how good this kid is. And the public is like buying it more and
more and more. And what I will say is that, well, I don't think GMs and head coaches are paid
attention to what other GMs and headcoaches are saying publicly about a player
that they just spend time with, right? No GM or head coach is going to do anything other
than promote the crap out of that player. I do think owners, you know, they got these
rabbit ears, right? And they're hearing everything. And I think that an owner whose team might
be thinking about taking JJ McCarthy in the first 10 picks, probably feels more solid about it because of Jim Harbaugh's words. And Jim, with that fifth overall pick,
not taking a quarterback, may have increased the value of that pick in a trade, right?
So he kind of workshopped this a long time ago to kind of set his team up for a potentially
more valuable trade back if the Chargers go that way, which certainly possible. I think it's a totally reasonable case. I think there's a
totally reasonable case for them to just sit and pick five and take a wide receiver given releasing
Mike Williams and trading Keenan Allen. But the Chargers, you know, and Jim Harbaugh's history
tells you like, if there's anybody who's going to try to play this game as old school as possible and maybe not
necessarily need to invest a ton of valuable resources into
the wide receiver room might make you think at least the
draft that's that's Jim Harbaugh and his new GM Joe
Hortiz. So I wouldn't rule out obviously the Chargers being
a trade back team even if you know Malik neighbors aroma
doing Sam Armand Harrison jr. Would look perfect playing with Justin Herbert
Yeah, what uh what other scuttle?
What are you got what maybe maybe what?
Team is kind of laying in the weeds that you're hearing little things about where like they might get active
They might trade up. They might trade down. They could be the team that changes how the draft falls
Yeah, I think that the first round, the first eight picks is where I think
things are kind of interesting.
So I think there's a chance that the first six picks
are in some form or fashion,
four quarterbacks and two receivers, right?
That would require a trade down by one of either
the Chargers or the Cardinals,
which I think is certainly in play.
But if either of those things happens,
then you'd probably have Minnesota being in the top five,
taking the fourth quarterback.
And then the Cardinals or the Chargers would take the first wide receiver.
And then I think the Giants would take the second wide receiver.
But I think things get interesting with Tennessee.
They have this big need at left tackle and Joe Alt from Notre Dame, certainly very worthy
of that seventh overall pick.
But unlike the wide receiver spot where you have this really clear, at least in my opinion,
line of demarcation, you get three next level receivers
and Marvin Harrison Jr., Malik Neighbors, and then
Roma Dunze, and then a drop.
With the offensive tackle class, there
are people around the NFL that have told me
it's at least a conversation between Joe Alt,
Al Olufashanu, Joe Walt and Tali Fuwaga
who's an Oregon state offensive tackle or Joe Walt
and even Troy Fahutanu from Washington.
So I think that like if I'm Tennessee,
if I think the gap is pretty narrow
and I just hired Bill Callahan,
who's obviously the father of their head coach,
Brian Callahan, but one of the great offensive line coaches
maybe ever in the NFL, he might say,
well, I'm comfortable with whoever we get.
Let's say pick number 12 or 13,
if we want to be the team that trades down,
and maybe somebody wants to move up
to grab that third receiver.
So in some ways, I feel like seven and eight
with Tennessee and Atlanta, who we've all been mocking,
Joe Alt and Dallas Turner from pretty much the combine on as those two picks.
One of those feels like it's due for a curve ball and a trade back certainly would qualify
in that category.
I like that.
I hadn't heard that one because I've been hearing mostly Cardinals, you know?
Yeah.
Yeah.
The Cardinals could too for sure.
Yeah.
Monte's trying to make that pick move right now.
Yeah.
Yeah.
But isn't it funny how like, and it's possible, like I'm not, I'm not ruling this out, but like, uh, we've all, it's like a lot of people are
signing like Monte awesome forts, like mo is the guy who's like constantly moving around the board.
And it's like, he's been the GM for one draft, right? And like, by the way, they got an offer
that when they made that deal last year, we were all like, holy crap. Like that's an, it's an
unbelievable win for Arizona, right?
Like they got obviously picked 12, which they ended up moving back up to pick six,
but they got the Texans first round pick in 2024.
I remember at the time I was like, they didn't announce it on the draft broadcast
because the NFL didn't say anything, which 2024 first round pick they were getting.
And I kept thinking to myself, there's no way Houston would give up their own 2024 first round pick, right?
It's got to be Cleveland's 2024 first round pick,
because Houston wouldn't give up the potential of a top five
or 10 pick.
And obviously, things went very differently,
and Houston ended up being one of the great stories
of this past season.
So it's possible that Monti wants to move down,
but he's got one draft of doing it, right?
It's like one move that has sort of defined his MO, which for all we know, like he might
just stick around and send it number four and take Marvin Harrison Jr. because he's
just that good.
Yeah, yeah.
Yeah.
So you've got obviously, Cale, number one, reading the tea leaves.
It sounds like you're set on Jaden going second.
I hope you're right, but we've had Drake May moving up in the odds.
We've had JJ moving up in the odds, but you're pretty confident it's Jayden number two.
I feel good about Jayden going number two.
This past week was interesting, obviously.
Mostly incited by Jayden Daniels' agent taking to Twitter and giving the sort of the hmm
emoji, which I'm not sure it's a whole lot of good, but I will say I think the takeaway
from that is more that we're entering
a different era of where athletes are, especially when they are entering the professional ranks,
right? Because of NIL, that was sort of my takeaway from it is that you have to kind of treat these
guys a little bit differently. Because I'd imagine, I don't know, there's been the reports that Kaylee
Williams made like 10 million bucks last year at USC. So like, these guys are probably used to
from the past couple of seasons,
especially this past year for Jaden,
when he put that team on his back
and had this meteoric rise,
like probably every second of every day
being the center of attention
and being sort of accustomed to people,
sort of expect like that's kind of maybe his expectations
that like, hey, when you're bringing me in,
like for the past, you know,
whatever the start of last football season was, eight, nine months, like that's been the way that I was treated.
Like now I'm being brought in amongst several quarterbacks. Like it's just a different time right now for athletes, I think.
But I do think Jaden Daniels ends up going number two overall.
Like I don't think there was some sort of like serious like calculus behind that decision last week to have three or four quarterbacks.
I think it was just kind of like the commanders, people who are in charge of that organization have been with organizations in the past that have done things similarly.
And there's no rules for those pre-draft visits. But I feel good about Jayden Daniels going number two.
And we all know about the dual threat. We all know about the great passing numbers last year with those two great receivers.
But the part that I've felt best about with Jaden Daniels throughout the process
that I think gives me a lot of confidence that he's gonna be very successful at
the NFL level is, I'm not sure I saw a more composed player in big moments last year.
I know you guys know this, but most people probably think LSU,
like five stars all over the roster, there's a ton of talent every single year.
That wasn't the case last year for LSU on defense and they needed to put up 40, 45,
50 points in the game every week to have any chance of winning.
And the sec has got a lot of great defensive teams and Jaden
Daniels pretty much solved them all.
I mean, even Alabama, he left that game early.
It was the early in the fourth quarter with a head injury.
He was back the next week
So it wasn't super serious, but he had almost 400 yards of total offense against Nick Saban
I can't wait to see what Saban has to say on Thursday night when Jadon's taken because you know
If Saban can't totally solve you like to me. That's another reason to believe confidently in that player. Yeah
It was always when Saban they're like
You know a mobile quarterback is Saban's kryptonite.
And it was like, but he only lost like four games
in like 10 years, like, but Johnny Manziel.
It was just my favorite thing to say.
Yeah.
That one fateful Saturday afternoon when Saban,
like, you know, got for Betty losers one game.
Yeah.
All right. I got a couple of last questions.
First one about the actual logistics of draft night for you.
So a lot of names, a lot of backstories,
a lot of colleges, you're in AWL,
we wanna protect you, how many mistakes
are we going to stomach and go to bat for you?
Because there will be mistakes.
So like, is it, Field Yates fucks up one time
and we will defend you, but if you fuck up two times,
we're gonna have to be like we don't know this guy
Right. Yeah, I think three strikes seems reasonable Please for those you mean like like like messing up a name or something that not like yeah
He doubts because there could be a lot of evals that we you know
We look back three years from now and it's like yeah, that does that guy thinking yeah
That's a lot of you're saying like name wrong wrong school wrong pronunciation like we got to be ready
Because the Internet's a mean place so what
do we say to say two mistakes? It depends on what the mistakes are.
Yeah. Alright so here's the only thing I'll say and I was gonna bring this up anyway so
I'm glad that you kind of led me to this. We got a very difficult group of named the top
of this year's draft board. I've been practicing these guys like crazy, but Olufashanu, Penn State, some people have
been saying Olufashanu.
His first name is complicated enough that I think he's just has gone by Olu on broadcast
for quite some time now that like it's not even worth trying.
We got Tali Fuwaga from Oregon State whose first name is actually Tali-Azee or Tali-Ezee,
depending on who you talk to,
because he's answered to both
through interviews that I have watched
during the pre-draft process.
But I was on the road for one of the pro days
and somebody said,
well, if it makes you feel any better,
when we met with him,
he mentioned that people just call him Tali.
So I've landed on Tali Fuwaga,
got Troy Fahutanu from Washington.
That's three guys who could be top 15 or
so picks. So, Leatu Latu from UCLA, also a guy who deserves to be a top 15 pick. So,
I can't wait. Goodell, I think is going to have to be very deliberate when he's going
to the podium with those names. I feel like that's an underrated skill for a commissioner,
but no joke this year, some
of the names.
Yeah.
He's going to read 15 names.
And you also have to deal with the fact that I've put Romeo Adunze in your head now.
Yeah.
I'm definitely calling him Romeo at some point.
That would be awesome.
That's all right.
Make sure if the Dell messes up the pronunciation, you just jump in immediately afterwards and
say it the correct way.
You don't have to tell them like you screwed this up.
Just let America know that he's an idiot.
Yeah.
Well, yeah, I mean, I do have the ESPN pronunciation guy now.
So I feel better.
I feel a little bit more confident right now
because I'm sure I should be spending more time going
through a little more film on these guys
or just going through my notes when you're juggling 340
or so names in your brain.
Invariablyably there are players
that you just haven't watched as recently as others. And obviously, 90, I don't know, 95%
of the interest in the draft up until Saturday is Caleb Williams versus Jaden Daniels or Marvin
Harrison Jr. versus Malik Nabors. So those seventh round guys or undrafted guys haven't gotten quite
as much love. So I probably could be spending a bit more time on some of those guys right now, which I'll
try to find some time for.
But the pronunciation now feels like my responsibility
come Thursday night.
Got it.
My last question was just going to be
how many different Williams guys do you know?
Last name Williams.
Just in this class alone, we've got Caleb Williams, Evan
Williams.
I could probably pull this up and sort it by last name. There's got to be a
few of them.
Yeah, we're high on Williams.
That's a good question for Blake, right?
Yeah, buying all the stock on Williams. No, you have a lot to look it up.
Okay, well, I just have my list in front of me. No.
Top of your head.
No, Evan Williams, Caleb Williams. Jeez, I'm sure I'm forgetting a bunch of them. I
feel like Mike Williams is just bound to be a name every single year. I just feel like
there's, you know, like just throw out the generic names and you've got a chance there.
Okay.
At least two. At least two. That's as far as I can get right now.
My last question, rowback question, rhoback.com, use promo code take 20% off your first purchase,
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for you, Field, and you probably can't. There's probably nothing you can do. But maybe because you know ESPN is putting
on the draft ABC all this stuff. Detroit Don and Superfan don't have tickets. They aren't
put in the Lions inner circle. This is a travesty. We need to figure out a way. I they want they
should. I'm sure they could buy tickets but I know that the draft the way they set it
up they put they put people in the little pods. These guys deserve to be there. Can we figure it out? Can you figure
out? Can you ask anyone? I'm getting off this and I'm going to make a call. Okay. Good.
That just feels like it doesn't feel right. I, I, I probably should have spent a little
more time figuring out what the actual ticket buying process was. It was not on my checklist prior to this.
I just assumed that pretty much anybody,
aren't they expecting like a quarter of a million people
every weekend?
Yeah, I think they just thought that they would be
in the little pod that they show everyone before
and they show all the fans.
And I'll say this right now,
they will be on their best behavior.
I'll put my reputation on the line, which is nothing.
So that's, we gotta start doing that.
What was the name of the lady that that came that hadn't been?
Fuck her name that fan. Oh, they hadn't been where the draft in years
No, she hadn't been she laughs used to sit with Detroit Don and super fan and she had
She was like I'm not coming back until they make the playoffs
We're not sprinkles spring. What was it? No No. Miss sprinkle. Was it sprinkles? It could
have been shit. All right. We'll just see. See if there's any anyway. See if there's
any way that we can. You know, I got a couple more levers I can pull here before we actually
before the games begin. So I'm not, I'm not giving up hope yet. Our reputation. I'll do,
I'll do I'll do
If I put my reputation on somebody behaving in a crowd, that's actually the worst
Endorsement you can ever have I'll do Detroit time you do super fan. I endorse Detroit
Don't you get super I endorse super fan to act in all ways like I would not act
Yeah, I'll say if Detroit time gets out of line then my reputation can be sullied. Yeah super fan
We're playing everything by the book. Yeah guys
They do everything for the Lions they are they are the Lions so by the way like what are they gonna do like they haven't
Picked 29th and I know right. Yeah, it's really strange. They scheduled this draft in Detroit. Everyone's like, oh, that's gonna be cool
No, you guys sit around and wait
I I just know that Dan Campbell's gonna pick pick somebody that he's going to get so fired up
that he wants to just wrestle his entire war room. That'll be cool.
Oh, it's going to be great. Yeah, that is one of my, I think you guys have highlighted this in the
past, but that's also one of my favorite parts of the draft, especially at the top, right? Where
it's like, you know who you're taking and I get it, other than Washington and Chicago, I guess you
don't necessarily have a guarantee of who you're taking. Um,
but it's like, and they start immediately celebrating, which I get it. There's a lot
of work that goes into this process. Like it's okay to relieve and like be exhale for
a second. Um, but it feels some relief, but man, I, I do kind of get a chuckle out of
that. That is always one of the better parts. It was sprinkles by the way. Yeah. Sprinkles.
Yeah. Now you're making me nervous though, because you, you just said like bottom line,
the commanders are taking Daniel's, which I hope to God you're right.
But now I'm officially nervous.
I think Gifty's been very nervous.
I know.
I know.
I've had a handful of commander's buddies in my life, and it's like every time they
... Hey, have you talked to Schafter recently?
What's he saying?
Yeah.
I tend to believe... I do feel good about that one.
I will.
Okay.
Me too.
Me too, though. Prove it otherwise. I did hear this part from Todd, and I agree with him about that one. I will. All right. Me too. Me too. That proven otherwise.
And I did hear this part from Todd and I grew with him wholeheartedly, like from a tape
standpoint, to me, it was, you know, it was pretty clear who the two best players in college
show ball were, uh, at least at the quarterback position this past year. So I feel good about
Jayden going number two overall. Uh, and I, you know, I think the draft sort of begins
at number three, even if I do lean towards Drake. Okay, all right, well Field, thank you so much.
First one's on us, mistake-wise, on Thursday night.
Second one, I'm out.
Yep, second one, you're on your own.
It's gonna be a short reign as a draft analyst.
Yeah, just make sure that the first one really counts.
Don't screw up a school on the first one
and then say someone's parents are dead on the second one and they're alive because then we can't help you
Yeah, we can I would have no way to
Yeah happen to me. Oh, we got it happened to me last year at the Masters our reputation is yet to recover. Yes
Yes, I know they can be a long road back trust is a hard thing to earn. It is easy thing to lose, right?
Yeah, yeah, I always say all right. Well best of luck field. Thank you so much and good luck
Yeah, yeah, I always say all right. Well best of luck field. Thank you so much and good luck
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For his account.
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I wanna, I wanna...
It's Mr. Pear on Instagram.
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Others call me handsome. I love that. My boyfriend is currently finishing his master's program
It will be joining me in the workforce soon after I've been making more than him while he's been in school and working part-time
We've been splitting our rent in general expenses
Once he graduates he'll be making a lot more than me and part of me thinks that he should cover more of the rent expenses
Now that he's working he's saying that I should have been doing the same the past couple years while he's going
It's gonna sound fair. I'm bringing this up now thoughts. That's a good point. got you there what's on the other shoe? He got you there, especially with the you should have
Been paying more but or wait. He said she should have been paying more but she was splitting it
She he's saying that she should have been playing more. Yeah, if she's going to ask him to pay more now that he's making more
It's also relatively if he's making way way more
Just it is interesting that she's bringing it up now though. Yeah, very interesting
also, I feel like you got to wait like maybe if you move and get a new place that kind of
reopens negotiations, but
To just change it also long play here get married and then joint bank account. You're good
it. Also long play here. Get married and then joint bank account. You're good. Yeah, you kind of got caught there though. You kind of got caught. You should have. You should
have seen the future there. You should have seen what was going to transpire and paid
a little more when you when you when you were making more. Yeah. And I guess it depends
when you moved in together too. How long have you been dating up to this point? Have you
been covering them for a matter of years? Yeah, like do you feel like you're in maybe you're entitled to some of that money back as you put him through his masters. Mm-hmm
But she didn't she didn't they split it. Yeah
That's a crazy argument to make
That was what's it? What's the guy's name Bateman?
What's his first name Jason Jason? That was very Jason the guy's name? Bateman? What's his first name? Jason. Jason, that was very Jason Bateman, yeah.
It's interesting.
It's like you reminded me, that was a flashback of you just
got the news that your entire family was killed
by a Mexican cartel while you're living in Missouri.
Yeah.
That show, they're just always leaving.
The show is just Jason Bateman backing his car out
of a series of drivers.
In a minivan.
Yeah.
Hey PMT.
I recently got out of a long term relationship in which my boyfriend introduced me to his
favorite sports team, the Buffalo Bills.
Now I'm a huge fan.
I'm afraid I will always associate the Bills with my ex, but I want to enjoy watching Josh
Allen be a freak of nature.
How might I mitigate this association so I can watch football and not be incredibly sad at the same time?
Hmm. You gotta fuck Josh Allen. I was gonna say that-
Then it ruins the team for him. I was not gonna say that part.
Okay. But now I am.
It is good. And I agree. If I was him, I'd be very upset that
my ex is now rooting for my favorite team. Yeah.
I'd like nothing more than for her to pick just somebody else. I feel like that should be divvied up.
But she fell in love with Josh Allen.
It happens.
It's hard not to.
For the best of us.
Go ahead.
What about when you start dating somebody else?
Yeah.
Are you going to take on their fandom?
Well, no, she says she wants to be a Bills fan.
Yeah, but how is that?
That's going to be a weird conversation
in your next relationship when your boyfriend is like,
why do you root for the bills?
It sounds like it didn't end so poorly because if it did end poorly either fuck Josh Allen or data cheese fan
one or the other
Yeah, if you're free agent, why just find it? She doesn't want to be a free agent
No, I'm saying but just she's a free agent in terms of dating
Data cheese fan. Let's see how that goes goes I bet you'd be fun for yeah
until January mm-hmm I'm pregnant and my husband is adamant we name our first
child Hercules because it's badass name and guarantees our child will be strong
and powerful we don't even know the gender yet but he is convinced it's a
boy he refuses to consider other names calling any other name we know and
accusing me of wanting to raise a softie or a wimp. He refers to our child again
We don't know the gender as Hercules. He has been steadfast on this idea for over a year
Will he eventually back down or will I have to name my child after a cartoon?
So her all is I guess he was a myth. He was a mythological figure before he was a cartoon. That's true
It's kind of reducting it reducing it down to something brand new But I feel like you're setting the kid up for failure actually, if you name
him Hercules. Yes. Unless he is the strongest kid, then he's going to be like kind of on
the wimpy side for Hercules. Yeah. So it's going to be the second strongest Hercules.
Two things are happening here. One, definitely a girl. It's going to be a girl. Update us when your baby girl arrives.
Hope everything goes well.
Two, this is just classic pre-having a child guy brain where they have plans in their head
for my kid's going to be the toughest, my kid's going to be this, that, the other.
Then you have the kid and you melt into a pool and you're just like I hope he's happy and healthy and
Nothing else matters. So just wait it out because he will not care
One iota once the kid arrives
Wait it up and it's a girl just so he knows
That's it. Yeah, if you if you're like a adamant, it's a boy. It's gonna be a girl. That's just a fact
Yeah, I just I feel like Hercules unless they're the toughest kid ever is gonna be just a bad name for that kid
Yeah, I just remember like before I had kids I had all these plans for my kids and then it's like oh my kid likes
Rocks my kid likes to pick up sticks. Okay, that's the coolest thing in the world
You know what down for that? You know what if your kid does turn out to be strong you can call him Hercules
Yeah, you can still call him. There's no rule saying you can't just be like, hey Hercules.
Yeah. Hey, Herc. Herc is kind of cool in there. Herc actually is a great name. Watching the wire.
That's a strength and conditioning coach. Yeah, Herc. In the making. Baldhead. Goatee.
Yeah. Alright. Good show, boys. Good show. We covered everything.
Numbers. 40. 8.
20. Oh no. I'll go 76 3 18 also please tune into PJ Tour live this week
oh yes Jake will be on the broadcast. The Zurich Classic of New Orleans. When does it start? Thursday through Sunday.
A team event right? Yeah a team event. Do you know what the teams are? Yeah. What team's Max on?
He's not playing. But I am also doing my first signature event in two weeks, the Wells Fargo, which he's
a two-time champion of.
Oh, that's the fifth major.
Pretty much.
Hell yes.
Good job, Jake.
Thank you.
Proud of you.
All right, everyone can say their numbers.
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The second one. In the tweet that you sent over
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