Rotten Mango - #350: Mom Found Human Head + Severed Hands In TEEN SON’s Closet
Episode Date: April 12, 2024There was an emergency at Terri’s daycare. This had never happened before. Ever. She picked up the phone - “Hi, uh - there’s been a family emergency. Please come pick your children up right ...away. Please hurry.” The parents rush to pick up their children and they let out a sigh of relief when they see all the toddlers are in one piece. But something is wrong with Terri. She’s rushing them into their car seats and you can just tell her mind is elsewhere. Once all the children are gone - Terri rushes to her phone and dials 911 - “Hi, it’s an emergency. I found something in my son’s closet wrapped in a plastic bag. He has a shotgun in his room… he just pulled up. Can you please just come?” Terri kept an eye on her son that just arrived at home. Any louder, and Brian might hear her. Any louder and he might realize that his mother Terri knew what he did. Any louder and he might investigate and find what’s in the kitchen sink. Underneath a blue towel - lay a decapitated head and pair of hacked off hands. Any louder and the Cohee family would have to ask their 19 year old son - where is there rest of the body?? Full Source Notes: rottenmangopodcast.com To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices
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It's a safe nurturing environment to drop off your kids during the day.
The business is advertised as in-home licensed child care, classroom, preschool
curriculum, incredible play yard and focus on social and emotional development.
Some parents, they love the idea of having someone have an in-house daycare.
It feels cozier.
It's going to be less of a change for their children when they're suddenly placed in
like a sterile feeling facility.
They don't like the idea of that.
Other parents don't like in-home daycares.
They think it's too much of a risk.
Honestly, I think it's a personal preference.
But it seems like the ones who like Terry's toddlers,
they have nothing but good things to say
about the whole place.
Terry Kohi is a middle-aged woman in Colorado,
but if you just talk to her on the phone,
if you just hear her voice,
if you just experience her energy levels,
and even just the way she carries herself,
she seems decades younger.
You would honestly never believe that she has two sons that are in high school.
She feels so young and vibrant and she's so good with the kids.
So on the weekdays, parents drop off their kids Monday through Friday and then they pick
them back up from Terry's house.
And a few of the most important things when you're running a reputable daycare is one,
you got to make sure that you're good with children
You got to make sure that no child gets hurt in your care and two
You have to be consistent with your schedule a daycare is only great when you can rely on it
Imagine a daycare that's constantly calling the parents to say oh, sorry. I can't take your child today
March 1st 2021 parents get a call from Terry Kohi
March 1st, 2021, parents get a call from Terry Kohi. She sounds upbeat, energetic, but not in the happy way,
almost like she's stressed out and on a mission.
Hi, there's been a family emergency.
Please come pick up your children right away.
They're safe, they're not hurt, but please do hurry.
Parents rushed to Terry's house
and they see her helping the kids out,
they're putting on their shoes, saying bye to them them and she seems like she's trying to act normal
around the kids but it is very clear Terry Kohi is not here right now her
mind is elsewhere and they've never seen her like this
when was this? in the middle of the day just like noon okay so midday yeah and
Terry is barely registering anything that the parents are saying to her once every child is picked up from the home
Terry waits
Suddenly, it's very calm in the house her husband Brian senior is home her two teenage sons
Brian and Andy are also home and the three guys the dad and two sons. They're outside in the front yard talking just
Chatting about life. I mean, what kind of family emergency is this?
Terry's just in the house waiting.
She keeps peeping out the window.
How are they still not here?
I mean, wasn't her call urgent enough?
On the list of priority emergency calls, hers would be at the top, no?
About an hour ago, she had placed a frantic phone call.
911, this is John.
What's the address of the emergency?
Hi, there's an emergency. I found something in my son's closet wrapped in a plastic bag.
Is your son there right now? He just pulled into the driveway. Can you please just come? Hurry.
Terry likely was watching two things at once. She was watching the front yard where her son is standing.
Her son has no idea that she knows everything that he did. He has no idea that she
found his trophies in his bedroom. He has no idea that she called the cops on him. So she's watching
him. And then she's watching the sink. The kitchen sink that is covered by a blue towel.
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Now a handful of disclaimers for today's case.
As with any mental illness, the perpetrator's autism spectrum disorder, attention deficit disorder, and his major depressive disorder,
they do not represent everyone else who has similar diagnoses.
i also want to make it very clear that throughout this case, there is different verbiage that
is used, and sometimes it is outdated, incorrect, and just like outright insensitive, but only for direct quotes will
we be keeping those words. they do not represent the vocabulary of the RM team. for example,
the perpetrator refers to the diagnosis of autism spectrum disorder with the outdated,
incorrect term of asperger's syndrome. i will not be modifying any direct quotes just to reflect
our beliefs and standards, so I just want to make that
disclaimer. Some reddit quotes and transcripts have been shortened for the purpose of clarity
for today's episode. So with that being said, let's get into it. How quickly do you think a car
sinks to the bottom of the Colorado River? Okay, it depends on a few things. First of all, how deep
is the water? The deeper the water, the more pressure there's gonna be, and the more pressure,
the quicker the water is forced into the car.
But also, how quickly does the car hit the water?
If the car is hitting the water with any sort of high speed,
it's gonna sink faster.
The body parts are gonna warp on impact with the water,
so there's gonna be cracks that are forming.
The car's gonna fill up with water quickly,
and it's gonna sink like a rock.
But what if you just slowly drive into the shallow embankment of a river? And the waters are calm, it's shallow. How long does it take?
I mean, it's going to take a minute.
The car has air inside. If it's all sealed, it kind of acts like a small boat with a leak.
Very slow sinking.
And once you realize nobody's even inside the car and at risk
of getting hurt the whole thing just kind of looks ridiculous a car just
floating in the shallow Colorado River just bobbing around in the embankment it
looks like it's just slowly driven into the water at a leisurely pace and you
just want to go literally why like who would do that how did that happen the
two police officers get there
and it's pitch black outside, it's three in the morning.
And there's just a car apple bobbing around in the river.
There's another SUV parked
and a woman in a white puffer jacket walks out.
She seems less annoyed about the car being in the water.
In Korean, we have a word called oyeopsal.
It means it's so ridiculous that all you can do is laugh. It's not even funny, it's not even
light-hearted. You're just like, I don't even know what to say. That's the energy
she has. She's the mom of the silly teenage boy who accidentally let his
car drift into the river. And it's honestly just kind of goofy. The two
officers, they're staring at each other, then they're staring at the car. Do you think we can call a tow for that?
I don't know, because then he would have to get
in the freaking water then.
The mom walks up and she seems high-spirited.
I mean, the best way I can describe her is
she seems like the cool mom.
She tells the officers that her name is Terry Kohi
and I called blacks towing,
but I only have 10% battery left on my phone.
They want me to text a photo of the car
and I'm like, oh god oh good lord she informs them that her husband and her teenage son yeah the owner
of the sinking ship car okay they're in the SUV right now staying warm her son is actually in the
vehicle when it's slid into the river yeah so he's staying warm in front of the heater because it's
like it's below freezing it's February in Colorado and it happens to be 3 a.m.
I mean, it's 34 degrees outside.
You can see their breath when they talk.
The officers, they walk over to the car
to talk to Brian, the son.
And he looks, I mean, even he looks embarrassed
because the whole situation is kind of silly.
Yeah, I've only had my car for about a year, year and a half,
and it's a nice car too. And you say he's a high schooler? He just graduated. He's 19.
Brian's mom chimes in. Yeah, we made him wait until he was almost 18 before he had his driver's
license because we didn't want him to have any accidents like they do when they're like 16, 17
years old because that's when they do all the stupid things
But stupidity doesn't have an age limit I guess and the cops all start bursting out laughing with the family and they get to work all of them the cops the family
They're all calling different tow truck companies
problem one
Nobody wants to get up and leave their house at 3 in the morning to tow a car and two
Nobody wants to get into the water at 3 in the morning three in the morning to tow a car. And two, nobody wants to get into the water at three in the morning
in almost freezing weather to tow a car.
So the parents offer to try and hook it to their SUV and pull it out themselves,
to which the cop is like, I mean, I'm not going to tell you guys
you can't get your own car out of there, but I just worry that the risk is
somebody's going to get an injury and we're going to have a whole other issue
or somebody gets into the water and then can't get out. But look, the car's not going anywhere
and if it does we know which way it's going. It's not gonna do anything anymore, like it's not gonna
do any more damage than what it's already doing so let's just leave it for now. The mom smiles.
Right. Teenagers, you know. Which is exactly what this looks like.
A teenager making an incredibly dumb mistake that his parents will probably hold over his head for the foreseeable future.
Even when he's introducing his future partner to the family, they're gonna tell them about the time that he sank his car into the river.
So he drove the car off the road into a lake that's just like...
Oh, we're about to find out. It's even dumber than that.
So the officer walks up to the passenger side of the SUV that is not in the water, just to clarify,
and Brian, the 19-year-old, is sitting in the passenger seat.
His dad is in the driver's seat and his mom is outside the car standing next to the cop.
Brian can't get out of the car
because he's not wearing pants.
They got wet from when he was in the sinking car
and he took them off and now he's just covering himself
with a coat.
And he's just trying to answer all the officer's questions.
The dad clarified with the police,
yeah, our son just called us 20 minutes ago and said,
dad, I parked at the boat ramp and I messed up.
I tried to get out of the car and it slid down.
The officer looks over at Brian, scans him up and down.
Well, you're not hurt, right?
Do you know what a boat ramp is?
If you go to like one of those more like relaxed
embankment areas of a river, they have a slope.
It's like cement and it slides all the way down
So if you have a pickup truck and you get your boat hooked up to the back you reverse your boat into it
And it slowly hits the water. Yeah. Yeah. It's like it gradually gets deeper
Yes, so you're not just like pushing your boat and it splashes into the water. Yeah, like a little kiddie pool
Yes, so he's saying that he parked his car just to enjoy the river, the side of the river.
He parked it on that slope and his car could not get up.
That's weird.
And it just slowly slid down.
The officer is like, well, you're not hurt, right?
No, just a little cold is all.
Just your pride's a little hurt, huh?
They all burst out laughing and Brian is shaking his head at himself.
But honestly, like, again, the whole thing is goofy.
Yeah, my pride is hurt and I'm probably out like $7,000.
Okay, well, all right, man. Well, do you have your driver's license on you by any chance?
Yeah, thankfully. And what were you doing down here, bud?
Well, I just, I felt like I needed to get out.
Like, I figured why not park here and just, you know?
Brian, the 19-year-old, he's staring out into the river
and he looks like he's coming to this realization
that one minute he was pretending to be this main character
blasting music near the river
and now he's pantless in front of an officer.
So everybody's just laughing.
The whole energy is very goofy.
Mistakes happen.
You're just here to relax a little bit?
Yeah, just relax and think.
And I parked on the boat ramp
and I thought it'd be easy to get out.
But then when I tried to, it just didn't work.
So he made it like a huge mistake, right?
The parents are really nice about it?
Yeah, they're, I mean, I think they're upset,
but I think it's so ridiculous.
It's hard to...
Come on, you just drowned the car. Are you kidding me? That's true. That's not my parents energy if I did that
Yeah, they seem pretty okay. They seem pretty accommodating. Okay, so the officer is like well, we're on the boat ramp
Did you park exactly were you down the hill a little bit more?
Yeah, just a little bit and then I got out and when I got back into the car
I tried to put it in drive and it didn't go up.
So then I tried putting it into like the neutral gear,
shimming it a little bit and that didn't work.
Wait, so was the car facing down at this point,
down towards the water,
or were you facing away from the water?
I was facing away, which is kind of interesting because-
He backed into the water.
Yeah, if you're gonna park at a boat ramp, you not want to park so you could see the water even
though it's pitch black outside would you not want to stare out into the dark
river and contemplate I don't know your relationships while you listen to sad
songs why even park in the boat ramp if you're not gonna face the river even
Brian's dad looks a little surprised you you back down Brian nods and his parents end up taking him home because he's pantless and cold and it's
not like he can tow the car out there himself.
And technically it's not like he has to be there and sit in shame while he watches the
car just get shorter and shorter and it just disappears into the water.
What were you doing down here, bud?
Well, I felt like I needed to get out.
And I figured why not park here and just just relax a little bit relax and think and I parked on the
boat ramp and I thought it would be easy to get out but when I tried to where did
you park exactly were you down the hill a little bit? Yeah just a little bit and
then when you got back in when I got back in I tried to put it in drive and
it didn't go up so then I tried putting it in low gear shimming it a bit that didn't work. Were you facing down? No I was facing up.
You were back down? Yeah. If you guys want to stay warm you're more than welcome to jump in that car and say where it's warm.
Does he need to stay here? Is he free to go? I'm sure he'd like to go home and get warm.
I'm sure he'd like to get some pants on. Yeah, right?
Yeah, it's not a crash.
It's a simple mistake.
Okay, this is stupid.
Alright, I'm gonna take him home and then we'll come back here and figure out what's
wrong with the co-hue driver.
Now the parents on the other hand, the co-hue parents, they drive back to the boat ramp
to join the police. after dropping Byron off.
They need to make sure that their son's car gets out of the river.
I mean it's probably not salvageable now, but at least they can try and assist and figure out the insurance situation.
And when the parents get back, the police were able to find a tow truck out there
and they're pulling the car out the river.
So the parents are sitting in the SUV staying warm when an officer knocks on the window.
Hey, quick question for you.
Terry, the mom rolls down the passenger side window.
Sure.
So the cop is telling her.
So the back bumper, I don't know,
you can probably see it from here.
Both parents, they start kind of,
they kind of stick their heads out
and they're trying to look at the car that's being pulled out of the water and
Brian senior the dad his mouth just kind of drops open in shock or surprise
There's a lot of red in the back of that car dripping down it a little bit underneath the license plate a little area there
The mom looks a little bit calmer
But she seems just confused while the dad keeps looking from the cop to the car to the cop to the car and his mouth is open in shock
okay a lot of red which looks like blood she literally says blood yeah I don't
know if your son hurt himself on his way out at all I I don't know the dad butts
in he might have and he just didn't know it I don't know. The dad butts in. He might have and he just didn't know it. I don't know.
So when the car pulled out of the water,
there's still blood on there?
It didn't get washed off?
No.
Wow.
That's why I'm asking.
I mean, I think that's a good question.
He's at home, right, your son?
Maybe make sure that he's not got a cut or something
or something on him somewhere that he's not aware of maybe
because his adrenaline was a little high possibly.
If you just have him do a little self-check make sure he's okay
The mom is already on the phone. I mean, this is her baby boy her firstborn son
Brian picks up the call and he's heard on speakerphone Brian. Are you okay? They see blood on the back bumper of the vehicle
Really?
No, what are you sure you don't have any injuries? No, I'm fine mom, there's blood on the car.
We're not sure, it's red, something red underneath the license plate.
Oh shit, oh no I'm fine.
Right, okay, but you're not injured, you don't have any cuts?
No, I don't know what could cause blood or whatever it is on the bumper.
Okay, so you're not injured? No mom, I'm not injured. Does he sound normal? Yeah.
Hey quick question for you. Okay. So the back bumper I don't know you can probably see it from here
a lot of red on the back of that. Dripping down at all a little bit that's underneath the license
plate a little area right there okay. Okay. A lot of red. It Looks like blood
Yeah, I don't know if your son hurt himself
Might have he just didn't know it. I don't know that's a good time. That's a good question
He's at home is he make sure he's not got a cutter
Something out on him somewhere that he's not aware of maybe because his adrenaline was a little high
If you just haven't do like the self-check, make sure he's okay.
Brian, are you okay? They see blood on the back bumper of the vehicle.
Really? Yeah, did you get hurt? No. Are you sure you don't have any injuries? No, I'm fine.
There's blood on it? We're not sure. We're not sure. It's a red, something red, underneath a license plate.
Similar blood stain.
I don't know.
But you're not injured. You don't have any cuts?
No, I don't know what caused the blood or whatever.
It didn't run that far.
They finish pulling the car out, and while the blood is a little strange, it's not strange enough for the police to do anything.
They release the car back into the family custody and in a few hours when the son comes up, the Kohi parents,
they go out into the garage,
they open up the trunk and there's a little bit of dried blood underneath the part where the trunk door closes, like the sealed part.
That is so strange. I mean, there would be a logical reason that their son would have blood coming out of the trunk, right?
It's not so much blood, right? But just a little bit.
Brian, what's with the blood?
Brian explains,
Oh, don't be so spooked out. Remember how I took a special effects class over the summer to learn how they do special effects for the movies?
I had a gallon of fake blood that movie sets use. That was in my trunk. I took it out a few days ago, it must have spilled a little bit on the way out.
That makes sense, okay, duh, obviously,
it's fake blood, of course.
Then when the sun came up, Brian's father
went to take his son's car to the auto body shop
to see if they could salvage at least some of the parts,
but he first wants to clear out the car.
So he checks the trunk, nothing.
He checks the backseat, nothing.
Then he goes to the passenger side, what is that? He reaches down and inside he finds
a wallet. That is so strange. He's a thousand percent certain that it's not his son's
wallet. He keeps gathering a small pile of things to take out and he leans into the car
and opens up the glove compartment. It is filled with water, but inside is a very large knife. You know
those like 10-piece knife sets that you might purchase from the store for your new kitchen?
It looks like the largest one out of there. And three pairs of vinyl gloves. Why would Ryan need all of that? And fake blood for? What a weird combination of
things. Was the dad alert at that point? A little bit. A little alarmed. Okay. Now, being
a crime scene investigator is a very tough job. And this is not exactly the type of place
a crime scene investigator wants to go to in the middle of the night. It's under one
of those overpass bridges. Do you know what I'm talking about? The overpass bridges where the
highway is running on top. Yeah. And then you've got like a little bit of roads underneath the
bridge and then usually it slopes up where the bridge meets the land. You get it. It's not really
the type of place that someone would stop to enjoy the view unless you have no choice. At the top of
the inclined hill right up underneath the bridge is somebody's camp. At the top of the inclined hill, right up underneath
the bridge is somebody's camp, someone's shelter for the night. Even though it's
late at night, you can hear cars on the top driving past and the air just feels
very dusty and it smells like tires. It smells like rubber and gasoline. And then
the crime scene investigator stumbles on the first piece. A human arm. Chopped at the elbow, hands cut off, just the forearm.
He keeps walking under the bridge. Another arm.
This time it looks thicker, so it looks like it leads up to the shoulder.
One might even assume, since this is not the type of place that you want to get out and spend time,
maybe someone threw the body parts out the window as they drove past as a way of disposing them.
But he keeps walking. And on the ground he sees something very red.
He walks closer, and there is an armless, headless body of a man laying on the side.
His stomach is cut open so the crime scene investigator can clearly see the victims inside.
He noted they were very pink.
There are angry slashes all over the
victim's legs and the area where the victim's head was cut was a brutal cut.
It did not look clean or quick. It looked painful. Okay, okay, focus. This is his
very first crime scene ever. What did the book say? What are the steps again?
According to the Holy Grail book Techniques of a Crime Scene Investigation 8th edition, you must protect the crime
scene. You must assume that the criminal has left clues or physical evidence
behind. You must not destroy or change anything at the scene. Well, it's a little
too late for that. He'd already shoved the man's corpse into his trunk. He'd
already broken the first few rules of being a good
crime scene investigator. But you know what? Let's be real. You can't call yourself a
crime scene investigator just because your mom bought you a book on it.
Wait, so he's not a crime scene investigator?
He's the killer.
But he's also reading the book.
He's obsessed with crime scene investigations.
I see. Now there are roughly 900,000 new Reddit posts uploaded to the platform every single day.
Some of them go viral, but most of the time they just get lost on the platform.
Maybe one person sees it, maybe two people see it.
Especially if you're not posting on a popular subreddit or posting something that a lot
of people are interested in
it's hard to get attention on your reddit post and that is why I think a lot of people
use reddit like their own personal diary
they just post whatever alarming thought or feeling that comes to their mind because who's gonna see it?
who's gonna care? who's gonna call the police on me? but perhaps, maybe, the act of posting it publicly,
in and of itself, is cathartic, therapeutic,
putting every paranoid thought out into the universe
for someone to see, judge you, and react to.
Maybe it's an addicting feeling.
A Redditor by the name of That Stinky Boy posted,
I have paranoid thoughts regarding my friends.
Whenever they invite me over,
I get slightly worried that they're gonna physically
attack me or try to kill me.
That's why I always bring a knife around them.
Or sometimes I think that they're gonna ditch me,
make me walk or drive to a place
just to find out that they aren't there.
That sometimes happens, so the idea seems reasonable, right?
I know for sure that they don't care about me.
They only keep me around because I have history with them,
that the friend group wouldn't be the same without me.
After all, I do bring life to it.
It's not much at all without me in the group.
They would even probably have me dead if it was their way.
And with my family, I sometimes fear
that they're gonna physically abuse me
despite what they say.
I also worry that they will maliciously embarrass me occasionally. I'm kind of angry now. My
friends should get jumped for all I care. Fuck them. They don't even care about me.
They hate me. As soon as high school is over, they're gonna leave me and find
someone new. Paul always fake laughs when I tell him a joke. Jake promises to come
over and then avoids me and Kelly constantly insults me. I should get injured to see if they show up for me,
but I already know they wouldn't.
My parents say that fearing my friends
is delusional and a problem,
and the thing is, they could though.
They could hurt me, but they don't.
But they always could.
And for that, I need to be careful.
It got to the point where the Redditor was carrying around
a kitchen knife with him everywhere he went
because he was paranoid about his friends.
And I would just say, just a healthy observation,
I think at that point, the Redditor, Brian,
it's time for Brian to make some new friends,
don't you think?
Brian is sitting in front of two new potential friends. He doesn't really quite know it yet because it's his first time meeting them.
He doesn't know if Pete and Lisa are going to be his friends and he's just trying to
tell them one of his best stories so far.
You know the one that his parents are going to make fun of him forever?
The car river story.
The story of how he parked his car on the boat ramp
leading into the river and then his car got stuck and then it wouldn't drive up and then
it ran. He said, I tried putting it into full throttle. Brian is using both of his hands
to pretend like he's driving, turning a steering wheel, almost like he's playing Mario Kart.
His potential new friends, Lisa and Pete, they're smiling. That's good. He's winning
them over. And that doesn't work. It it doesn't work my car doesn't have four
wheel drive you know stupid me then I tried putting it into low gear I'm trying
everything at this point and it still doesn't come out then it slides into the
river my car slides into the river me inside and the whole thing gets a laugh
out of Lisa,
which makes Brian feel good.
So he keeps going, he's more animated,
he's putting his whole body into the story,
and it still doesn't come out,
and then it slides into the river,
and Lisa's like, oh my goodness,
my car is sliding, me inside, like I said.
Oh, and so I'm in the car, quickly being flooded with water.
Okay, it's the middle of February.
Lisa's nodding.
It's cold.
At night?
Yeah, in the river that's almost freezing.
Oh my goodness, I'm drenched in water.
Pete and Lisa, they're both laughing.
Brian's at ease.
I mean, this is what it should feel like.
Everyone hanging on to his every word.
He's got this big smile on his face and he's sitting even more up
right now. He's running his hands through his hair and he's smiling. I almost die, you know?
And I need to act fast or else I'm gonna die of hypothermia. I'm panicking a bit
at this point and I'm thinking, this is what I'm gonna be remembered for, dying
of hypothermia. And I'm just like fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck everybody's
laughing and the energy in the room is really good and Brian likes it I mean they're really
into this story they want to know more about him they're confirming to him that he is interesting
Brian feels like they've been friends for years it's almost like he forgets that they just met
today and that there's a camera pointed directly at him from the corner of the room
And that he is sitting in an interrogation room
And the interrogators are laughing. Oh, that's so good. So um
What made you do it?
murder that is
Brian leans back like he's been asked an interesting question at a dinner party.
It's just a curiosity more or less. I just wanted to see what it felt like.
To see what it felt like. Well, what did it feel like?
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Do you think you can estimate when a pot of boiling water in the kitchen is gonna bubble
over?
Do you think you can race to the stove in time to turn down the flame right before it
spills, like literally right before, at that exact moment?
Or is it just gonna simmer and simmer, thinking that it's eventually gonna calm down on its
own but it doesn't and it just erupts.
What's more likely to happen?
That's what this whole case is about.
Now, the interrogation room looks very small
compared to Brian.
He's six foot two.
The minute that he walks in, the room starts feeling stuffy.
Like, whoever's gonna be sitting in the room with him
is gonna be fighting for air, is the feeling.
He's six two? Six two. Wow.. He sits down and the interrogators make him wait for a few minutes
before they come back in. It's likely that they're watching him through the cameras and they want to
see his demeanor. Now to give you some context, in the footage Brian does shake his legs, drink copious
amounts of water, and bite his nails quite a bit. In any other situation that might be interesting
body language that a lot of people would like to decipher that might indicate that someone is
feeling very uneasy, but since brian was diagnosed with autism, a lot of people in the community have
stated that this is a very natural response to slightly to even high stress moments, just any
tense moments, so they're just releasing that energy
through shaking their legs and biting their nails.
And it's not necessarily that interesting or bizarre.
Now, don't worry.
I don't think that we need to dissect his body language
to know that he's guilty.
Because when the investigators walk in,
they ask him, how did you get here?
It's unclear if they're asking him his method of transportation or asking him as a way to see what kind of story he spins
Just they look him dead in the eye and they say how did you get here?
He cocks his head to the side and in a very confident deep voice. He responds I murdered someone and
He holds the interrogators gaze gaze he does not break eye contact
he sits with Pete and Lisa the two interrogators and he walks them through
the last few days of his life and honestly he walks them through his whole
life story at some points it feels like he's savoring their reaction, watching their
faces for some sort of horror or admiration. It's like he's reliving the
crime and he looks at them and he out. What do you want to know?
To start back at the beginning and go slow and tell me as many details as you can remember.
So?
Cause I mean, I'm already going to jail for the 15 years probably.
I have no idea.
Because we're at the beginning.
It's murder.
I mean I'm going to jail for 20, but I'm, I figure, well I fight it.
Okay. So what's important to me is to learn as much about you and what you did as I can.
Well, the many details you can give me, the better.
English teacher Shannon Miller had this thing that she would do.
She almost integrated public speaking into her class curriculum.
She wants the class to get comfortable with giving speeches.
She's got all the students go up and give a presentation to the class throughout the
semester, and she tells them, this is not just about reading what you wrote on a piece
of paper, but do an attention getter.
Get everybody engaged in what you have to say.
The day of class speeches comes around.
Who wants to go first?
Brian raises his hand. Okay, Brian. Everyone, Brian will be giving his speech. So listen up.
Brian gets up and he whips out this crazy weird Indiana Jones looking whip. It's long. It's white. It looks like it's made out of masking tape. It's like a sperm bat. That's the best way I can describe it.
It's got a long white handle and it looks like a ball attached to the end.
Nobody knows where this guy is going with this, but I mean, I guess it's working because he's got their full undivided attention of the class.
He walks up to the front. He starts slamming the bat down on the podium. And of course, everybody's hooked.
Attention is got. He gives his speech
and that's it. Brian leaves the class with his whip and later that day he beats a student with
developmental disabilities with the bat. There was a reddit post titled life updates and stuff
December by that stinky boy Brian Kohi. It's a detailed journal from starting from December 3rd, 2018.
It reads, I was born in school,
so I made a mace out of tape and pencil.
However, later, I became manic again with no warning,
and I got the urge to hit a kid named Tim, fake name.
So I asked Greg, fake name, if I should, and he said yes.
So I obliged.
When I hit Tim on the back of the head he fell to the ground crying and it was so entertaining
I decided to mock him.
It was just very funny.
All the jokes Greg and I made, I mean it was so good.
Eventually my bat, the wife beater as I named it, was confiscated by administration.
I was called into the office and everyone expressed
that something was wrong with me
because I expressed no remorse for the assault.
On the drive back home,
my mom was shouting and screaming at me.
I remember very well what she said.
She said, I would make you walk home,
but you would fucking jump off that bridge,
so I can't do that.
And she said, do you wanna go to prison
because you'll be butt fucked there
and you might like that.
I had to write a letter of apology to Tim, the kid that I hit.
I didn't care about him, so why should I put in the effort?
So I copied and pasted an apology letter for a victim on a crime and I made some edits
to it.
I had no intention of wasting my time on something so unnecessary.
And it worked, thankfully.
And so far no one has known that it's fabricated.
School is tiring though.
I have a D- in AP US history due to never taking notes.
I don't know why I don't take notes.
Maybe it's because I lack the motivation?
Or maybe it's because I'm too damn lazy.
Probably the latter, but I'm not lazy enough to write this.
Last night was interesting.
I couldn't stop feeling like something bad, something unstoppable would happen, like a gruesome injury occurring, a car crash in front of my house, or a family member dying.
I've been not sleepy tired, but mentally tired.
All the missing school assignments are draining, not to mention my mother when she's screaming at me, sometimes calling me a failure, other times asking me, what's wrong with you?
Last night I burned some things in my room. screaming at me, sometimes calling me a failure, other times asking me, what's wrong with you?
Last night I burned some things in my room. Then I tried going to bed, but I was restless, I was hyper. Thoughts were racing through my head, I was obsessing over how I could make a
molotov cocktail instead of forest fire or burn a house down. I couldn't stop thinking about how I
would do these actions. I soon became paranoid that the ashes of the things that I burned would
set on fire again and that I would burn alive in my room, so I repeatedly doused the burned
items with water over and over again.
After that though, I felt like I was being watched through my bedroom windows, so I closed
them.
I locked them and shut the blinds.
Yesterday, my family and I went Christmas shopping.
I bought mostly clothes.
However, a large majority of my choices were refused by my parents.
My mother refused to let me buy any shirt or attire with any amount of violence,
swearing, or sexual content or dark comedy on it.
For instance, I wanted a shirt that said,
Alexa give me a blowjob on the front, and she immediately refused.
They also refused any camouflage attire I chose.
I now feel depressed. I don't know why.
Oh well, it doesn't really matter.
Brian's parents always knew, ever since he was very young, that there was just something a little different about Brian.
I mean, it's kind of hard to avoid when he was a toddler.
Most of the other toddlers, at least from what they knew
and from what I know, they don't come home after a long play day, take off their shoes, and lick them
clean. I'm sure Brian's parents put barriers in place so that Brian doesn't lick his shoes clean
every time they get home because that would be a massive health hazard, but it seems like he would
just find anything else to do. He would bite and chew his fingernails and toes until the nail beds were so destroyed that he was at high risk for infections
Because once your nail beds have cracks in the skin bacteria will infiltrate and just fester
Brian's mom Terry brings him to a psychologist and Brian gets diagnosed with ADHD
He's five years old at this point and he gets put on medication
It seems like the extra attention the medication they help Brian
So for the next ten years
People said that Brian was actually a very happy joyful kid. He was very easy to raise
Until he turned 14 and then it's like some demon awakened inside of him. He just starts acting so strange
counselors told the parents um
We believe he's exhibiting anti-social
behavior. Brian would intentionally say things that he knew would emotionally rile other kids up,
thinking it was so hilarious. He just wanted to get a reaction out of them. By 11th grade,
a lot of the other students came together to tell the teachers, we just don't feel safe around him.
other students came together to tell the teachers, we just don't feel safe around him.
By high school, Brian was diagnosed with ADHD and autism. Now he was kept on his ADHD medicine and was put on an antidepressant as well. He was also diagnosed with a depressive disorder.
Now sometimes evaluating a patient just requires talking to them casually. You just want to,
as a counselor, right, they say that you just wanna get a gauge on their interest
and what kinds of topics they naturally gravitate towards.
This is probably even more important
when your patient is that young.
So one of Brian's counselors asks him,
trying to get a gauge on his interest,
but also how he perceives the future.
Do you have any specific future goals in life?
Something you really would love to see yourself doing, Brian? Brian responds by going on a
tangent about how he really appreciates the life and career goals of Adolf
Hitler, Eric Harris, and Dylan Klebold, the Columbine shooters, Ted Bundy, and
Joseph Stalin, who was the leader of the USSR at one point and killed like six
million people. He really likes their career paths. He thinks that they're admirable when the only thing
that all of them have in common was that they killed a ton of people. Another
doctor diagnosed Brian with quote level one autism which I don't think that
psychiatrists use levels to describe or diagnose autism anymore but I think that
she was indicating that he had low support needs. Others have described it as quote, high functioning, though I think
that's another term that the community wishes not to use to label the varying needs of people
diagnosed with autism. So it does seem like he is constantly going to different counselors
and reaffirming his diagnoses. Now, Brian does have quite a bit of friends. He is not a loner by any means and his friends, they're actually known as like the edgy group in school.
They don't really fit in anywhere else and they kind of congregated with each other and ended up becoming friends.
Okay, let me just give you further context. I feel like you can tell a lot about someone by the types of memes
they send people. It's a pretty direct reflection of what they find funny.
Brian's humor is weird.
One of his favorite means to send his friends
was a meme about IHOP.
So it's four pictures in a grid and they tell a story.
The first picture is a picture of IHOP,
but it's been edited to read quote, goth IHOP.
The next photo is a stick figure laying in bed
with a quote goth girl
seductively dressed sitting on the edge of the bed with like half of her butt
out and the stick figure reads where is my food? The goth girl caption reads I am
the food. The third frame shows the stick figure in bed contemplating how to
respond. Then the fourth figure depicts blood just smeared all over the bed and
the decapitated goth girl's head laying on the edge of the bed
Because I guess he ate the rest of the body
the stick figure
Yeah, I mean I think that gives you really good context on who Brian is because I feel like we already know someone like that
Right if you were to ask Brian and somebody did on reddit if you were to ask him about his political
Ideologies and how they differ from others who share the same ideologies,
if you asked me that, I don't even know how I would answer, okay?
I think I'd be like, whoa, that is... I gotta really think about that because I don't even know what that question means.
But he would respond, citizen I would prefer a conservative Republican right-wing system with few to no restrictions on citizens. The government is a removed entity in day-to-day life,
i.e. completely free speech, complete economic freedom, social freedom, freedom
and media, etc. Much more borderline anarchist. But if I was a government
official I would very much prefer a conservative Republican right-wing
system with much more control over my citizens, much more of my hands over the economy laws and people media, etc.
Much more borderline authoritarian. I think the aim of the answer is to sound smart and
different and thoughtful and main character, but it's very contradicting.
It seems like the only thing Brian cares about is freedom and power for himself.
Sometimes he would talk to kids about political ideologies, other Sometimes he would talk to kids about
political ideologies, other times he would talk to his friends about,
hey have you ever tried crispy meat bites, the snack?
Uh, no? Oh well it's really good.
You should make some at home. The recipe is to get your family dog or cat, run
them through a meat grinder and then fry them up.
Which like, okay, dark humor is not illegal.
But even for the friend group, Brian is a bit strange.
The friend group would joke,
yeah, well, it's just Brian being Brian.
That's just who he is, you know?
Well, let's just try to accept it, I guess.
But they all had this running inside joke.
If one of us is gonna be a killer, it's gonna be Brian.
But like, it's a joke, right?
Friends joke around with each other, that's normal.
Teachers on the other hand, they have way less leeway
to be like, oh yeah, that student,
he's probably just joking around,
it's just his sense of humor.
A lot of the teachers were alarmed by Brian's behavior,
or at the very least, they're starting
to get really frustrated by it
And it's increasingly getting worse and worse in history class
The students would all sit and watch a video about Genghis Khan
The lights are off the projector is on all the kids are excited because it's TV day and out of nowhere
Someone would break the silence and just scream out a string of Asian slurs rapid-fire
Because it's Genghis Khan. Yeah They just scream out a string of Asian slurs rapid fire
because it's Genghis Khan, yeah.
The teacher is like, what is going on?
One time Brian-
Like what kind of slur?
Like is he making sense or he's just-
Sometimes he's making sense,
sometimes it's just like slur, slur, slur, slur.
Like a poetic slur, I guess, yeah.
Wow.
One time Brian walked into the school library looking for very specific books on topics
that he wanted to read about in his free time.
Okay, what would you like to read?
Well he actually checked out a book about Son of Sam, you know, David Berkowitz, the
New York City serial killer that would just go around shooting random people, and he would
write letters to people saying that he was acting on behalf of a demon
that was possessed inside of his neighbor's dog, that one.
And then after that, he wanted to check out
another alarming book about the Columbine shootings.
This was definitely alarming.
Brian's English teacher walks up to another teacher
after that day, and she says to them,
if any kid is gonna shoot up our facility,
it's that kid, Brian.
Yeah since the first week of school all of Brian's teachers they got together and they're just expressing their concerns about him. They all agree they need to keep a close eye on him. It's
very apparent to them even at this early stage that he's a very troubled kid. How scary is that
for a teacher in a school setting to say something about say that about a student like that is
That is something else
They said all the flags are up
And this is really an understatement in brian's reddit diary logs
He even wrote I was looking at transcripts of the basement tapes of the columbine shooters
Which by the way the basement tapes are homemade videos made by the two killers that were actually destroyed by law enforcement because of how vile they were.
But Brian continues, and I realized something. Me and my friend redacted. Our conversations
are eerily similar to the ones in the basement tapes. Similar topics, war, violence, why
we hate certain people, what we would do to them. But the teachers, they hadn't seen
Brian's Reddit and they still thought that his behavior is alarming.
They bring in Brian, they bring in his parents
to try and talk about it.
And clearly, Brian's mom does not think
it's that serious though.
Because she runs a daycare called Terry's Toddler's Daycare
out of their family home that she shares with Brian.
She's been in the business for 10 years
and clearly, for whatever reason,
whether you agree or not, it appears that Terry herself feels comfortable enough to keep Brian around young children.
And to be fair, according to Brian's reddit diaries, because of all of his issues at school,
licensing had to come to his mom's daycare in March of 2019 and determine that the daycare
would not be shut down.
She would have to make up a safety plan in case that Brian threatens her or the children.
Regardless, teachers think that Brian's mom had a bit of a way to relax attitude towards their concerns. Brian's history teacher said, we weren't obviously the only class that he was having issues
with and I remember someone said that they met with his mom and she just kind of,
I think they said didn't really really wanna understand what was going on,
kind of thing, like what's the big deal?
Like she wasn't really like, yeah, this is serious,
we need to get ahead of it.
There was another incident that Brian got in trouble for,
where he brought in a weapon to school,
and Terry was called in,
and she later explains the whole situation,
and I think this gives you an idea of Terry's perspective.
She says, well, he got suspended for weapons
There was another boy who brought in the nunchucks to school on the school bus and Brian was like, wow cool
Brian was just asking him like can I check those out? And he was like I'll bring you a set if you give me some candy
So Brian gave him some candy and the next day the kid comes on the bus with two sets of nunchucks
One are glass and the other ones are,
I guess they're like rubber.
I don't know, I never actually saw them.
He's like, I know I can't take the glass ones
because I'd get in trouble for that.
So he took the rubber ones and put them in his backpack.
Well, I don't know if it was in his backpack or his jacket.
There were some differentiating stories.
So the teacher sees them and he said, what's that, Brian?
And he's like, oh, nothing.
You know, and so the administrator, you know,
he was like, you know, we have a prohibited weapon
on school grounds and I'm like, okay, well,
what about the other kid?
The one that brought the nunchucks.
And they said, well, that kid doesn't have behavior issues
like Brian.
And I'm like, oh, so you're punishing Brian
because he has behavior issues.
I see.
So Brian went through probation and he completed behavior issues. I see. So Brian went through probation
and he completed it successfully.
Rightfully or not, Brian's mom seems to feel
like he's being unfairly targeted by the school.
Brian's dad even complains,
he's got friends that he hangs out with,
respectable friends, not those kind of friends,
clean, good friends.
The worst they do is play video games
and drink too much Pepsi.
He might say a curse word once in a while, but no, he's never hit anybody ever. He got in trouble
for throwing a tape ball at school three, four years ago. And they, I think they wrote him up
for it because he hit somebody. But the football players can nail the guys with a football, but
Brian, he just gets in trouble for a tape ball. When was this message delivered from the dad?
Was this after the murder?
Was this prior to the murder?
This was actually after the murder,
but he does realize that his son is messed up,
but the way he still talks about it is in this tone.
Yeah.
And yeah, to a degree, maybe there was some of that.
Maybe the teachers had an image of him already.
They made up their minds and they acted accordingly.
And maybe, maybe we could try and be understanding of the parents. Maybe they truly were blinded by their love for their son
I mean everything can kind of be explained, right?
Maybe he lightly tapped a kid with a masking tape bat and it was it wasn't even painful and the nunchucks
That was a whole big misunderstanding. Everything was just kind of wrong place, wrong time, wrong person type of ordeal.
But how do you explain away a kill kit?
Look I don't know what you expect to find in a teenage boy's backpack, but it's definitely
not this.
Brian's mom was going through his room one day and she comes across a black backpack,
which is a little weird because it's not his school backpack, meaning why does he have
a second backpack? She opens it up and it's got hammers, shovels, knives, large zip ties, duct tape, a saw, a kill
kit. Instead of calling the police on their son, the Kohi parents bring an
ultimatum. They say, Brian throw the backpack away or else we're gonna call
the police. Brian throws it away and he was very upset about it. He said that was a hundred dollars just down the drain
Brian would argue that he just has a thing for finding out what makes people tick
So one day he knew a classmate of his had PTSD and he triggered her PTSD
Just to see how she would react and he was suspended for the whole thing. He writes on reddit
I saw my therapist today. It was a normal meeting for the most part.
We talked about how I exhibit control freak tendencies that I manipulate others' feelings to see what makes them tick.
That because I feel less emotion than others, I'm curious to see what regular amounts of emotions feel like.
That I'm a scientist and everyone else is my test subject.
I test painful stimuli to elicit a reaction.
I enjoy those reactions.
The ones of pain and sorrow, I love the horrified expressions when people watch someone they
love die, the utter shock and devastation on their face is priceless, and then you tease
them about it, calling them weak for crying, saying the thing that they were crying over
was worthless garbage.
I gave that girl a panic attack, and you know I've known her.
Her name is Ellie, fake name.
In short, she's weak emotionally, physically, and mentally.
Any criticism and she gets defensive, very sensitive.
She carries around pictures of YouTubers she likes, Jacksepticeye, Markiplier, basic white
girl shit.
She's also timid beyond belief and gets panic attacks.
So I figured it'd be funny to give her one.
I clapped loudly right next to her and she screamed in the hallway and fell to the ground crying.
It was funny, but my friends say it was fucked up what I did. It doesn't matter though.
I had my fun and besides she usually gets over her panic attacks in five minutes, but no,
apparently she had to go home for the rest of the day because of this one.
She did that to spite me that bitch
Brian's mom did agree that he shouldn't have done that but clearly he thought it
was a joke that's the energy she gives it's like obviously he shouldn't have
done it but he didn't mean that malicious intent it was just a joke
what's crazy is that this whole situation with the boy he hit with the mace, the nun chucks,
the girl he traumatized in the hallway,
there's still surprisingly more.
Safeway is a giant supermarket chain in the US.
It's just like your run-of-the-mill grocery store.
I think on the East Coast it's called Albertson's.
So Brian, he starts working there as a bagger.
So when you're checking out,
he's gonna be at the end of the little checkout lane bagging your groceries. And when there's not a lot of customers, he
would run outside of the parking lot and start gathering up all the shopping carts in the
parking lot and bring them back into the store so that when customers walk in, there's fresh
carts to choose from to do their shopping. Well, one day, Brian's got a stack of shopping
carts. They're like folded in on top of each other. So, you know, and they're locked in
and it's like seven shopping carts stacked into another.
He's bringing it back into the store
where a 58 year old woman is cleaning the shopping cart
with an antibacterial wipe.
Brian just rams seven shopping carts
into our lower back and leg,
allegedly is what the lawsuit claims.
She also stated in a lawsuit that this has caused her
to sustain permanent physical damages.
She is-
That's her coworker?
His coworker?
No, a customer.
What?
Who's wiping off the handle
so she can start going shopping.
She is now suing Brian and Safeway.
And he's claiming accident?
He didn't even, I don't know what he publicly claimed.
He probably said accident.
Yeah.
In another Reddit post, Brian talks about dating two separate people.
It's very interesting to see how quickly he moves on.
January 9th, 2019, he writes,
I've been feeling bad lately.
Me and this guy are dating.
Sort of.
He loves me and I kind of love him, but I can't stop feeling like he hates me, that he pities me
And he's tired of me. I almost cried last night because of it. Sometimes I feel he really does love me
However, there is no gray area. Either he does or he doesn't depending on where I'm at mentally and emotionally
Sometimes I feel like I should disappear, ghost, or otherwise leave for a small bit to see how he reacts to see if he really does
care about me.
Then, just eight days later, January 17th, 2019, he writes, I'm quote dating this quote
trans girl named Rose.
Fake name.
It's going really well.
She's absolutely devoted to me and is madly in love with me and I love it.
I do love her, but a lot of it I'm exaggerating to get an equal amount
of love back. It feels great having so much romantic and sexual attention towards me,
like I'm satisfied by it. A couple days ago I told her about what I want her to be. After all,
she was practically begging for me to tell her how to be more attractive for me. I love it when
they're clingy and needy for me, but I think I went wrong because ever since she's been a lot more distance. I think
she's judging me, no doubt. I fear she may be too against me, but only time will
tell. I think now I'll have her be more clingy and needy. I need to keep her no
matter what. She is mine and mine only. Side note, on reddit Brian also describes
himself as a boyfriend and he posts one of those memes.
It's like a cartoon drawing of himself and it says Brian boyfriend and there's a bunch of descriptions around the cartoon basically saying
This is what you get when you date Brian.
It's supposed to be like quirky, chaotic, and he's supposed to make himself feel like this very cool unique person.
The descriptions read, whoa did my hair catch on fire? Oh, well, let's just roll with it.
When I'm dead, start a dumpster fire with my corpse.
Quietly contemplates theoretical physics and astrophysics.
Man, Andrew Jackson was a cool dude,
killing natives and taking land?
That's life.
In caps, nothing is stimulating enough.
Then Trump didn't do nothing wrong.
Pretends to not care about what anyone thinks secretly craves external validation from others last night
I researched military technology and how it works eat my fucking ass
Drives a hundred miles per hour in a residential street and then the quirkiest of them all it says normal person making a bowl of cereal
Makes a bowl of cereal
Brian making a bowl of cereal runs into kitchen slams open pantry roundhouse kicks cereal box out of the pantry, sprints over to the cupboard, smashes the cupboard
to pieces, picks up bowl from wreckage, tries to cartwheel to fridge, rolls on ground, summons
milk through sheer screeching, mixes them into a bowl, flings bowl onto table, flops to chair
before cereal bowl gets there, smashes face into bowl. Eee delicious. I think that gives you a really good idea of who this guy is.
Like I think that does more than any other description. Yeah. But it also seems like January
2019, Brian is obsessed with power. Power in his romantic relationships, but also like a new fantasy.
He writes on Reddit, I have a new fantasy. Climbing to the top of a military or
governmental organization and making sure I have supreme executive judicial and legislative authority.
A dictator you could say. I would off the competition by any means necessary. Even murder
would be okay if it came to that. I would force those below me to be completely loyal to death,
even killing themselves if I told them to. If I took control of the military, I would commit many war crimes for fun.
Torture, attacking the Red Cross, taking civilians, targeting them?
Oh yeah, he said, why is it such a big deal to hurt or steal from others?
It's what we're supposed to do.
But maybe it's not too late. Maybe Brian's counselor could help him. Brian rants on Reddit. I have a counselor but she assigned me to someone else because I was beyond her skill set.
I'm also going to a neuropsychological evaluation because of my irresponsibilities.
I can't really use any of my friends for support because they would make fun of me.
Brian regularly visits multiple different counselors but clearly things are not getting better.
According to Brian, I went to my counselor recently and looking at my personal history,
they said that I just don't give a shit anymore, whatever that means.
They also said that I'm digging myself deeper and deeper and that I'm self-sabotaging, ruining things for myself.
Not only that, but they said that my friend calling me a narcissist wasn't that far off.
They also described me as, um, something.
I can't remember what it was, but I remember getting angry because they were lowering me
to that.
Look, everybody's against me and wants me dead, and I can feel it.
The feeling is everywhere, they're staring at me, thinking of ways to kill me and I can
feel it.
It's weighing down on my shoulders, and I need to kill them before they kill me.
My friends and family and others they view me as worthless when in fact
I'm smarter and destined for fame and power. They're weak and they're going to be forgotten.
They want to ruin me and bring me down to their level.
But that was just never gonna happen because Brian was determined to go down as one of the greats.
That was his plan.
And the greats to Brian include the likes
of Charles Whitman, killer,
who first murdered his mother and wife in their houses,
then drove to the University of Texas in Austin
and just started randomly opening fire on people.
He killed 17 people and injured 35 more.
And Sunghee Choi, the Virginia Tech killer who killed 32 and wounded 17
But it seems like Brian relates the most with Edmund Kemper
We talked about him in one of the very first episodes of RM
I would really I think I would like to revisit the case one day with a lot more of the
to revisit the case one day with a lot more of the more nuance I hope I wish I had learned in the process but Ed Kemper was a notorious serial killer and he once said when I see a pretty girl
walking down the street I think two things one side of me thinks I'd like to talk to her date her
and the other side of me thinks I wonder what her head would look like on a stick
I wonder what her head would look like on a stick.
Brian said he felt that. He would later tell interrogators,
I mean, I feel that, you know?
And for years, I just wonder what murder feels like,
because you've reached it like Ted Bundy
and the Zodiac Killer,
and they all say murder is the best feeling in the world.
So I'm like, I'm gonna try that.
For some time, I've been wondering when it would happen.
I always knew that I would be in this police building though, whether as a criminal or a police officer.
I was gonna be here.
And plus for years, I was wondering what murder would feel like because you reach like, Tip Bundy and the Zodiac, they all say murder is the best human in the world. So I'm like, I'm gonna try that.
I'll say, murder is the best human in the world. So I'm like, I'm gonna try that.
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Brian had an obsession with crime scenes, whether it was to study how not to get caught
or to study how to commit a crime.
I don't know, it's a little less clear at the time.
Now to provide a bit more context, Terry, Brian's mom said, his autism is the reason
for his hyper fixations.
So maybe she thought that he just had a hyper fixation on anything crime scene related at
the moment.
She would say, I mean, he has a little bit of a fascination with the morbid, but he was channeling it,
I thought, into becoming a crime scene investigator. And wanting to help him
navigate the hyper fixation into a safer, more productive territory, she buys him the book,
Techniques of a Crime Scene Investigator, 8th edition. She told him when she gave it to him,
Brian, let's channel all this morbid curiosity into something positive that you can affect the world with good change.
And he said, yeah mom, that's my plan.
I purchased this book for research for this case and there are over 30 very graphic pictures of mutilated murdered bodies in the book Uncensored Real.
There are pictures of murdered women whose private parts have been chopped off completely mutilated pictures of women who have been
dismembered and tortured it is a lot
Like decapitated heads like it's a lot
So that he probably loved it he probably only looked at the pictures like it was a picture book for him
And there was a
rumor spreading around town that the cats were going missing it's unclear how
the rumors started but one girl told a few people and those people told a few
people and she said that she lived near Brian in a neighborhood and cats were
going missing and I know it's kind of a stretch but she felt like she felt like
Brian was stealing cats in the neighborhood She just had a feeling okay. Well. Why would he steal a cat?
You tell me
Nobody really knew for certain if it was true or not it was just kind of a wild assumption to make about someone
But even Brian's friends they knew his dark sense of humor, and they thought I don't know
One of his friends Sean a thousand percent believed it.
He was like, absolutely, I know it's true for a fact.
In fact, he killed one of my friend's cats.
And the cat was really nice and very friendly.
Meanwhile, another friend, Kylan,
she was not really listening to the rumor.
She said, honestly, I don't know.
I mean, I think I could believe it,
but I don't want to because I'm a big animal lover.
I just, I don't know. I just don't want to see my friend in that kind of light.
Content warning. Animal abuse.
Brian would later tell investigators that he tortured animals.
He admits to finding a dead groundhog by the side of the road and he skinned and attempted to make leather out of the skin.
And cats, he said that he messed with cats.
He said, I was thinking of killing people while I was killing the cat, but I wasn't acting
on it. I only started thinking about seriously killing people after I killed
the cat. Reddit post, January 27th 2019. Brian writes, I'm just now admitting this
on here, but I killed a feral cat and mutilated it. Cats possess natural
weapons. You know, their claws and their teeth? Natural weapons. I killed a feral cat and mutilated it. Cats possess natural weapons. You know, their claws and their teeth?
Natural weapons.
I used a pillowcase to stop it from retaliating on me.
And then I tried snapping its neck
and then strangulating it several times.
After that failed to work,
I used a nearby screwdriver to separate its neck vertebrae
and damage its spinal cord.
It was not dead though.
It worked.
All it could do was hiss at me.
Then I took it downstairs
into my room and then I assaulted the head and the neck trying to damage it further,
beating it with weights, hitting it against the ground. I hid the body in a shoebox and
then put it under my bed. Oftentimes over the next few hours I would go get the dead
cat and feel its warmth and play with the limp body and later that night I used my knives
to decapitate the head and then I put it into a separate box.
I don't know why it was just very satisfying to decapitate it. Something so important and connected to the body being
unconnected from its being it was just so wrongfully good.
I was so excited. Excited in a good way. Thrilled. High on homicide if you will say.
I kept it for a few days in my room but it started to smell, but knowing that I was hiding something awful while my parents and brother
were none the wiser was satisfying, that I had that kind of power over them.
February 11th, 2019, Brian is suspended for making inappropriate sexual comments in school.
Teachers had gotten together trying to put their foot down. They believed that Brian was a potential
danger to the school, that he was at high risk of
Committing violent actions, but there was nobody in the school that could help him nobody in the system that did anything
Brian even said call me weird, but I think everybody has those thoughts know of shooting up their school
Whoa?
He said that where how to, to who? To people.
At school?
Yeah.
Oh my god.
Brian writes on Reddit,
I felt like people are watching me recently.
Sometimes I feel like the walls, the floor, and furniture have eyes.
And they're watching me as I walk.
In the dark when I'm not looking, like right now, I feel like the eyes are watching me.
Last night I was so scared, scared of the now, I feel like the eyes are watching me.
Last night I was so scared, scared of the idea of someone or something in my room watching me
silently, creeping towards me to kill me. So for about 30 minutes I laid in bed still listening
and watching carefully, waiting for any signs. I did not move. In one of Brian's journals that was
found later, there is a page that has a drawing of eyes. And the eyes are almost hypnotic and creepy.
They have a cat-like shape to them, but the eyes, the eyeballs itself, are kind of in
a spiral, just like the jigsaw eyes from the Saw movies.
On the page, there's also a list of words that it's likely he describes himself as
these.
A few of them read paranoid, narcissistic, megalomaniac, someone who's obsessed with power, cruel, sadistic,
two-faced, depressed, impulsive, reckless, childish, remorseless, possessive, fearless, homicidal.
He also writes that he's born to raise hell in his journal and one of the more alarming pages just
has his name at the very top it reads Brian Cohe and underneath it Sir Jeffrey Dahmer, long-legged wolf slayer, screamer of the cock,
and he tries to create his own cryptic, like the zodiac killer, where each symbol corresponds with a different letter.
So this is what's going on, and it's not like Brian's parents don't know, I mean I don't know if they know the extent of what's going on,
but they know that something's going on, and even though they're the only ones giving him any sort of benefit of doubt,
he writes about his mom.
My mom has been so unstable recently,
crying and shouting near constantly that bitch should just leave.
That was February 2019.
February 2021, two years later, police would show up at the house.
It's daytime when the police show up at the house. It's somewhat isolated and it's it's not in the middle of nowhere but it's not
your typical suburban home where you can see your neighbor's backyard from the
side. The officers they intentionally keep their sirens and lights off so they
don't freak Brian out. When they pull up to the house, Brian, his little brother
Andy, and their dad are standing outside. It seems like
they're just having a normal conversation and then the cop gets out
of the car. What's going on man? Brian's wearing a blue long-sleeve shirt with
jeans, he's got glasses on and he looks... okay honestly he looks like the type of
guy that your parents would want you to date in high school. He looks very
responsible. What's going on man man? Brian says, not much.
On Brian's right, it seems like his dad looks at Brian
and tells him to cooperate.
Brian is walking towards the cop.
He stops, turns to his dad and says, cooperate?
I'm gonna cooperate.
He turns back to face the cops.
Okay, so Brian, your parents have some concerns
about some stuff that may have been found in your room?
Uh, yeah, I believe so.
And what would it be?
Brian stares off to the side for a little bit, just staring at the road.
But when the officer asks, again, what would it be, what is found in your room, he cocks his head to the side, makes direct eye contact with the officer,
his voice goes an
octave lower, and he stares straight at the officer.
A human head in hands?
Like for real human head in hands?
Yes.
From?
That fellow who just went missing recently.
Which fellow is that?
Warren Brown. Warren Brown when did he go
missing? The night of the 27th. Okay and how did you end up with him? I murdered
him. With what? A knife? And why would you have done that? I've always wondered what
murder felt like.
I've always wondered what murder felt like. Do you have anything on you to cut poke hurts sticking anything without region for nothing don't reach for nothing my phone
Okay, well, I'm gonna have you face that way put your hands on top your head for me real quick I just wanna make sure that interlaced your fingers for me real quick
All right in the body cam footage you can see Brian's mom just collapsed on the grass outside
She can't even get up from her knees so far
She's the only one that seen the head and hands so far and she's just got a confirmation from her son that they're real
He killed someone just because he wanted to feel
like what it feels like.
Wait, so the mother found the head and hand.
So she told the dad, dad knows as well,
but he didn't see it.
So that dad is just keeping the son stable outside.
Because if he walks in,
he's gonna see the blue towel in the kitchen sink
and then he might feel inclined to lift it yeah yeah and nobody knows what's gonna happen
because he also has a shotgun in his room yeah yeah yeah yeah but at the
beginning of the video you said it took an hour it took an hour so they were
just like lingering out there for an hour for an hour oh my goodness
Brian's dad walks back into the house with the officer, leaving his son and wife out
on the grass, and Brian is with a few other officers.
He's also being placed into a patrol car to be taken into the station.
And side note, that whole thing is controversial.
Some people don't like the way that Brian was treated so nicely.
He just admitted to murdering someone with a knife.
He is not handcuffed.
He's just like getting into the back of the cop car like he's being picked up by a friend to go eat
Chipotle
He turns to the female officer. How are you? I'm good, sir. How are you? You said your name is Brian
Yeah, I'm not feeling too. Well, you're not feeling too. Well, no these past few days have been very very anxious
that's
Understandable. So what we're gonna do here now is I'm gonna have you sit in the back here, okay?
I'm gonna turn on the air for you in a second,
that way you're not too hot.
Are you hot blooded or cold blooded kinda guy?
I'm very cold blooded.
I prefer cold.
Well no, actually, sorry, that would mean I'm hot blooded.
So you prefer the cold, okay, fantastic.
All right, so hop in the back.
I know you're tall, so it's a little bit of a bit squeeze.
He opens the door and climbs into the back
of the patrol car.
But like I said, I'll get that air on for you.
Sorry about that.
I'm not feeling too well.
You're not feeling too well?
No, these past few days I've been very, very anxious.
That's understandable.
So what we're gonna have you do here
is I'm just gonna have you sit in the back here, okay?
I'm gonna turn on the air for you in a second that way you're not too hot
Are you a hot blooded or cold-blooded kind of guy?
I am very cold-blooded. I prefer cold. Well, no, actually, sorry. Hot-blooded.
Hot-blooded. So you prefer the cold. Okay, fantastic. Alright.
So hop in here. I know you're tall so it's a little bit of a tight squeeze, but like I said, I'll get that air on for you.
Sorry about that. Alright.
Induction's been quite violent lately.
How you holding up, Brian?
Okay.
A bit thirsty?
You guys have any water in your home?
I can't make any guarantees we're gonna be able to go in and get some,
but I will get some water to you as soon as I can, okay?
All right, Brian.
We're headed to the sheriff's office.
Your family's gonna go with us, okay?
Meanwhile in the house the officer walks into the kitchen where Brian's dad points at the kitchen sink I covered it up with the towel
Okay, because I didn't want him to see it. I didn't want him to run. I don't want him to look at it
the officer takes off the blue kitchen towel and
inside is a white plastic bag.
So he opens that up, and it's blurred in the footage, but inside is very clearly a decapitated
head.
The week leading up to the murder, Brian starts googling a lot.
He's looking up extreme paranoia, schizoid and paranoid personality disorder, avoidant
personality, unibomber, bombs, how do people react to a home invasion,
how do people react to being held at knife point,
how deadly is a neck stab wound,
how to cope with murderous thoughts,
homicidal ideation, homicidal thoughts every day.
And then on February 26, 2021,
he starts Googling serial killers.
James Dale Ritchie, an Alaskan serial killer,
Joseph Christopher, an American serial killer from the 80s,
Andrea Yates, a mom who drowned her five children in the bathtub?
He also googled Las Vegas pickaxe caught on camera.
How deadly is a pickaxe?
Who would win?
A human with an axe or a human with a pickaxe?
How deadly is a pickaxe?
Smile face killers, Daytona Beach killer, list of serial killers in the US, five ways
to knock someone out with one hit.
Easy to knock someone out in real life like the movies?
How easy is it to knock someone out by simply hitting them over the head like the movies?
How easy is it to knock someone unconscious by hitting their head with something hard?
Why do homeless people congregate together? Are homeless people safe to be with?
February 27th, 2021. Brian's parents are looking at him. Is this really the best choice right now?
The screen has the movie 1984 ready to play. Brian's parents are looking at him. Is this really the best choice right now?
The screen has the movie 1984 ready to play.
This is the movie based off of the George Orwell book 1984, which is like good book
yes, but like I don't know if that's the best movie night with your family.
Why not like a Avengers movie or something?
But they watch it anyway because it's like, you know, if he wants to watch it, just let
him indulge. He's 19. Brian's always just had this weird sense of humor and taste.
He's always been interested in the morbid stuff. He would always joke around with his dad,
hey dad, wouldn't it be funny if you sold a lipstick with mercury in it to those beauty pageant
queens and they got poisoned through the mercury lipstick because of their vanity and pride?
His parents would tell him, no, that wouldn't be funny.
And he would just brush them off.
Yeah, it would be, you just don't get my sense of humor.
You know what's crazy is because the way he delivers
these information so nonchalant, so like goofy and upbeat,
sometimes you just don't see it, right?
I think that a lot of people, if you don't know him well,
now I don't know about his parents,
I don't know about his closest friends, right?
But I imagine if I went to the same school as him,
I would maybe gauge him as being very insecure.
Like he's trying to do so much.
I would never think that he would be a killer.
I would probably think, wow, he's so insecure,
he's trying so hard to be edgy and like obnoxious yeah yeah yeah he was also a
huge browser of the subreddit 5050 it's called a risky clicks subreddit where
the title will have a choice between two different things it's either gonna be an
image of something pleasant or something really really bad 5050 and on reddit
they have a blurred censored preview of the images so you can kind of see the outline and colors of the picture and technically it's a 50-50 shot
Most of the time it's something bad. For example, one title is 50-50 capybara sniffing an apple or rival cartel members decapitated head
I did click on the picture and it was a rival cartel members decapitated head
Click on the picture and it was a rival cartel member's decapitated head. Another post on the subreddit reads,
50 50 beautiful wedding cherry cake with a cool message
or car crash with a man's head cut in half hanging out through the window.
Wait, so they can post these type of photos?
I guess.
Like uncensored?
Uncensored, yeah.
Spoiler, it was a car crash with a man's head cut in half hanging through the window,
and Brian commented on that post, why the long face?
Yeah, so I guess he's just kind of edgy, right?
That's what a lot of his friends said, he just wants to always go against the flow,
his jokes are always in the realm of dark humor, rarely did he ever make jokes that
weren't somehow related to death or violence or destruction or breaking the law.
For example, he just liked to shock people.
For Halloween parties, he would go dressed as Jeffrey Dahmer.
That was his favorite serial killer,
which just adds another layer of twisted to it.
Ryan was nicknamed Dahmer in high school
because he was genuinely that obsessed with Jeffrey Dahmer.
Sometimes if they had these role-playing skits or plays or like improv moments in class where everybody had to pick a different
identity or persona, Brian would be like, okay, I'm gonna be Jeffrey Dahmer, and the teacher would be
like, no you're not, that's crazy. This guy was known for loving Dahmer, wanting to be Dahmer,
pretending to be Dahmer, he would show up to Halloween parties dressed as Dahmer and by all accounts it seemed like he had plans to become the next Dahmer but
he would do it wearing a Michael Myers costume, a blue jumpsuit that he bought
for Halloween to dress up as the fictional serial killer from the movie
Halloween and Brian would tell investigators, let's see yeah it was the
night of February 27th it was a full full moon. And I figured, I can see so well. Why not drive around? And I'm in a bad state of mind at that time.
Brian doesn't really know if today is the day or not. For six months it was never the day that he killed someone, so why would it be now?
But he did feel like things were amping up. Or at least, that's kind of how he describes it.
He said, for a two-week period there was a strong instinct for me to bite someone's throat and rip it out, or bite a shoulder at least that's kind of how he describes it. He said, For a two week period there was a strong instinct for me to bite someone's throat and rip it out or bite a shoulder at least.
And these intrusive thoughts were getting stronger and stronger.
He said every time he would see someone the first thing that would pop into his mind was envisioning that person being shot or stabbed.
Brian tells the interrogator,
I have major depressive disorders so I'm not thinking positively.
And I'm cruising around for an hour, hour and a half, so I fill up on gas halfway through.
And I'm eventually driving underneath a bridge near the sheriff's office.
You know, like, can I?
Brian grabs an expo marker from the table and starts drawing on the whiteboard on the wall.
And yes, you know, there is a whiteboard on the wall and the marker's on the table,
so it's natural to assume that, you know, one would use it to draw or write things on the wall.
But the way that Brian is writing
and explaining the location of this bridge,
it's almost like he's giving a lecture.
He's teaching somebody, he's a professor.
So let's just say this is the office, right?
And this is the parking lot.
Take a turn, and here is the bridge.
That one, and it was right here.
Okay.
So the bridge right here on ground?
Yeah.
The one...
I'm backwards.
The interrogator is trying to stay on track.
So you were at the bridge.
Yeah, I was at the bridge.
I was cruising.
There was a road right underneath the overpass bridge and I was driving along and I see this
shape here on the railway track track and I'm like, ah
Interesting I go up and as I'm looking I see a large thing wrapped in canvas and I'm like, that's a homeless person
So I got my knife
I put on three layers of gloves because plastic gloves can betray their users
Because they're very thin and it is true that your fingerprints can bleed
and you can leave prints behind.
So a lot of people have, I don't know if I should say this,
but they, this is commonly known.
They put band-aids on their fingertips
and then put them into plastic gloves
or like the vinyl gloves.
And he says, I put on two, three on one hand.
I took the knife, I pulled back the canvas
and I stabbed the man in the neck.
He was panicking at first in his old man voice.
He was in his 50s
Brian starts chuckling because he just called the man an old man when he's really only in his 50s
Side note the victim was actually 69, but the way that Brian is retelling the story. There's no fear. No panic
No stress just retelling this memory like it's a regular day for him. I don't know
I just called him an old man. He was saying what what are you doing? What are you doing? Why? Why?
And he does take on different voices, by the way, while he is describing the
stories. It's very animated. And I just kept stabbing his neck. Yeah, I was. Is it
okay if I do a demonstration? Wait, so he suggests to do all that?
Ryan points at the ground and Pete, the interrogator, nods.
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, go ahead.
Brian points at the ground and says, this is him.
He gets on his knees like he's straddling the victim.
Then he brings up his right hand in like a fist holding a knife, imaginary knife.
And he brings it up and down, up and down, up and down, quickly, frantically, and then he stops.
And he gets up from the floor and just sits back down on the it in the straight.
Oh yeah.
This is him. I was straddled on top of him like this.
Okay.
And she couldn't fight back.
Brian continues,
And he didn't fight back.
It was actually surprisingly easy.
I was barely breaking a sweat.
And I thought, you know, homeless guy?
That's gonna be tough.
But no, it was actually surprisingly easy.
And during the time time I was growling
and making animalistic noises,
Brian brings up both of his hands in front of his face
like a wolf eating a piece of meat and he's like,
ha ha ha.
What?
Okay.
The investigator is staring at him.
And why were you doing that?
I suppose it was a frenzy.
I was so excited, so, you know,
rushed up on adrenaline and everything and I was like, whoa
In his whole body. He starts shaking his whole body in his chair and he's laughing as he's doing this and
Side note something that he does is every time he laughs or he does something very animated
He looks at both the investigators Pete and Lisa almost checking to see if they're also responding well to his story and laughing with him
Lisa almost checking to see if they're also responding well to his story and laughing with him
Anyway, I paused and he said why are you doing this? And I said I've been wanting to do this for a fucking long time
murder someone Then I continued the whole idea lasted about a minute minute and a half and when I was finished stabbing him
He took out his last breath like a grunt and his head was halfway cut off and stabs all the
While no actually after I killed him. I just couldn't stop saying
But I wasn't like smelling anything and
Why were you saying that I don't know yeah, I suppose it was just me speaking out my mind at that moment
It was just pouring out of my mind
During the time I was growling Making animalistic noises out my mind at that moment is just pouring out of my mind. And I paused and he said, why are you doing this?
And I said, I've been wanting to do this for a long time,
part of something.
And then I continued.
The whole ordeal lasted about a minute, minute and a half.
And this area is pretty, I mean, you were worried,
were you worried it's pretty close to the road and stuff?
Were you worried about someone seeing you or catching you?
Well, it was around 11 p.m. So not many people were driving by. Were you worried? It's pretty close to the road and stuff. Were you worried about someone seeing you or catching you?
Well, it was around 11 p.m.,
so not many people were driving by.
Were you worried about anyone seeing you?
I was worried about one of them stopping.
And what did you think would happen if somebody stopped?
Well, if they looked, it'd be quite dark under there,
so they wouldn't have seen the victim if they looked.
But I think they would have seen me
holding a bloody 12-inch knife. Brian starts smiling and chuckling, giggling at the thought of someone seeing him wearing a blue
Michael Myers jumpsuit holding a bloody knife. Yeah and then after that I took off his clothes,
I cut open his belly to see his guts. They're really pink. Oh sorry that was morbid. I saw
his liver, his large and small intestine and that's it.
Some of it was um, I don't know, I was thinking about taking out his heart, I was thinking
about crushing the ribs and disemboweling him entirely. I cut him open but his guts
spilled out by themselves when I was dumping him. Anyway, then I cut off his head, I gave
him a glass glow smile, otherwise known as as the Joker smile when you cut from mouth to ear and he also uses both of his pointer fingers to like
repeatedly show the motion I destroyed his eyes by stabbing them and he puts
his hand near his eyes and he's holding his hand like a fist more as if he's
holding a screwdriver and screwing a nail in so I'm assuming that he stabbed
and twisted the knives around.
Then I cut off his hands. Brian starts making a stabbing motion and whispering ch ch ch ch ch. I cut off his hands ch ch ch ch ch ch ch ch. Then I cut off his hands and I put those into a plastic
Ziploc bag and then I cut off his right arm at the joint like right below the elbow and then at the
joint at the shoulder and then the other arm I tried cutting it at the elbow but then I tried cutting it
like closer on the shoulder but what happened was I accidentally broke his
bone yeah so one of the bones was just like poking out I left that one partially
cut and then dismembered the rest of it and I tossed the arms around like I took
the right arm bit and I threw it out kind of like a frisbee I took the left
arm bit threw it out
So you might need to look a little bit further from like where the blood is when you go under the bridge
Well, actually it was a general assault. I was mainly targeting his neck because that's the most vulnerable area
But I was also stabbing his head. I mean anywhere in general really I stabbed his head multiple times
How about his chest and his stomach his chest? Yeah, I stabbed him once through the ribs. I sliced open his belly. I carved up his
leg. I made several slices at his leg actually. The interrogators wanted to know
did you practice on anything else? How did you know how to do it? No, I just went
along with the process. You know the bones, I just pressed the blade down and
went like right at the ligament and he does this this motion, like you know when you peel garlic,
you put the knife flat on the garlic
and then you use your other hand to press it down?
That's what Brian is saying.
Okay, and how hard was that to do?
You know, to get them to actually,
not particularly hard, I was just more frustrated
that I broke a bone.
Why did you cut the arms off?
Because I always wanted to know what it felt like to cut up someone.
Why did you stop at the arms?
Because well, that's it.
Like that's all I wanted to know and what it's like cutting off a limb and I'm just
like, okay.
And then I left the body there and then I took the head, put it into a leftover pizza
box from dinner a few nights ago.
And as Brian is moving Warren's body around,
he feels something in his pocket,
and he reaches in and it's his wallet.
So he takes that, puts that into his passenger seat
of his car.
He tells the investigator,
"'Then I took the hands, put them in the back seat,
"'drove home, I hid the hands and the head in my room.
"'I cleaned the knife, threw away the garbage
"'with his blood on it, and then the blood stained, "'like, um stained like um well it wasn't stained like my jumpsuit had splatters on it, I put it in
the washing machine. And uh yeah but no one stopped and I'm just like huh proof's a bystander effect.
I mean don't you have a cut on your hand is that from? Oh that was when I was doing gas when I
filled up I mentioned I filled up gas when I was driving around. Okay. I was driving when I was doing gas, when I filled up. I mentioned I filled up gas when I was driving around.
I was driving around, I was on a quarter of a tank, so I filled up on gas.
What happened was, because I don't want to be seen in a gas station with a knife poking
out of my pocket, I put it in the car on the backseat floor.
When I'm done with it, I try and grab it, but my hand flips and grabs
the blade and as I pick it up, it slices these two fingers.
Okay. Like a...
Because a lot of times when you're standing there like this, it'll...
No, no. I think I had a guard. It was one of those knives that was like...
Where is it?
Huh? The knife?
Where is it? Yeah.
Oh yeah, I had it.
Okay.
He found it in my car. And then, let's see. Yeah, and then after that I
stripped his clothes, I cut open his belly to see his guts.
I cut off his head. I gave him a Glasgow smile.
What's that?
A Joker smile. What's that? A Joker smile.
Destroyed his eyes by stabbing them.
Okay.
And then I cut off his hands.
I put those in plastic Ziploc bags.
And then I cut off his right arm at this joint.
Okay. And at this joint, and at this joint. And then at this arm, I tried cutting it here,
but then I tried cutting it here, but what happened was I accidentally broke his bone.
This one, it was poking out, and so I left that one here partially cut
dismembered here bone sticking out and
Then I left his body there
And then I took the head put it in a leftover box when the dinner a few nights ago
And I took the hands
Put them in the back throw home
Hit the hands and head in my room.
So to clarify, he took three things from the crime scene, a decapitated head, a set of
hands and a wallet.
Then he threw his jumpsuit into the wash to get rid of the blood, and he's laying there
in bed trying to go to sleep, but he starts freaking himself out.
Because he realized that there was a small hole at the pointer part of his middle finger,
and he was nervous that that was a partial print on the body. Were you worried about like leaving
evidence behind of being caught? Oh totally. He said so I figured why not go
all the way. I drove back in a different outfit, picked up his body, threw it in my
trunk surprisingly heavy, put it in my trunk and drove up to the Blue Heron
boat ramp. I parked you know the ramp is quite steep and you need to have a four-wheel drive to
pull it out of it and my cart isn't a four-wheel drive.
So I pulled in and I thought because I'm reversing, I could easily drive out.
Anyway, so he reverses into the boat ramp so the trunk is closest to the water, the
river.
He opens the trunk, pulls out Warren's body, he tells investigators, because I don't want
fingerprints on the body
I just try to move the body with my shoes and then he motions a kicking thing while he's sitting like kind of it's like a
Very disrespectful kick to like you're kicking away trash
Yeah, that works successfully. He goes out some part of the river and floats off. God knows where he is now
What would it still be a he if he's dead
yeah yeah i drove back in a different outfit picked up his body surprisingly heavy um put it
in my trunk and drove to the blue heron drop off station okay i parked so it's like this, right? So let's say this is ground. The ramp
is quite steep and you need to have four-wheel drive to pull out of it. And my car didn't.
I thought that I could drive out.
Because I put it in reverse, A,
so that it's easier to pull the body out.
And B, because the back tires
are provided for polishing to push out.
Right.
And I open the trunk, I take his body out,
I put it in the water.
And because I don't want fingerprints on the body,
so I just try to move things with my shoes.
That works for us when he goes out, some part in the river, and he flips off.
God knows where he is now.
Brian snaps back into reality. Okay, yeah, God knows where he is now.
I think my guess was that it would be discovered the morning or next morning,
so I kept an eye out for any river-related activities.
And I was figuring, you know, the police, they don't...
Well, this is not to be taken offense, but police, they don't really seem to care about
high-risk individuals, homeless people, prostitutes, etc.
So I was deliberately looking for someone who lived that type of life, and I found a homeless person.
The original goal was to just leave him there, but I was worried about the fibers on my outfit
and the fingerprint and all of that.
That's where the river idea came from because a river will wash away a lot of the evidence. Rivers are quite um, quite yeah.
But obviously that was botched.
Yeah, and when I tried to inevitably drive out my car didn't come out.
My car was stuck. I was putting it into full throttle, you know, and that doesn't work, and it's just, my car doesn't have four-wheel drive, stupid me.
So I put it into low gear, and I need to act faster, I'm gonna die of hypothermia because I'm in the water at this point, and I'm like,
ugh, this is what I'm gonna be remembered for, dying of hypothermia in a botched attempt at hiding a body, and I'm just like fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck so I go up the road and it's like 2 a.m. and I'm trying to flag down a car one doesn't
come by for like five minutes eventually it does and it's an old high school
friend I don't know his last name yeah no this is wild but another student from
Brian's high school is driving past that area in that exact moment his name is
Kellen and he's with his grandpa and he sees Brian freaking out, soaked from the waist down
and Kellen is like, wait, I know this guy.
They're not close.
They are not friends by any means.
Kellen's good friends actually despise Brian.
One of them was on the same bus route as Brian
and always told Kellen, dude, this guy won't shut up
on the bus and he says the most inappropriate stuff.
He's so obnoxious.
So it just seems like Brian has a weird reputation but I mean, what is Kellen gonna do? Just drive away because he's so obnoxious so it just seems like Brian has a weird reputation but I mean what is Kellen gonna do just drive away because he's
annoying so he pulls over he tries to help Brian apparently Brian has already
called his parents to get him and he's freaking out
Kellen said before Brian's family got there he just kept pacing around saying
I'm fucked I'm effed I'm effed I'm effed and Kellen was trying to calm him down like hey it's gonna be okay you know but Brian was
just pacing like I'm effed I'm effed Lisa stops Brian's story with a question
and what'd you tell your parents I mean you obviously got to tell them something
the cars in the river right yeah so what I say is I feel like I needed to get out
which I often do and I just felt like I needed to get out which I often do and
I just felt like I needed to get out of my thoughts and I tell them that I'm stupid I parked too low and that my car flies into the river
Okay, did they believe you? Yes. So did the police
Until they pulled it out of the river Brian says yeah
However, that would immediately caught the police's attention is blood from the body that was on the bumper. See, I was so, I just forgot to wipe it off.
I was so panicked that I wasn't thinking.
And when they pulled it out,
they immediately see blood on the bumper.
But Brian starts giggling, thinking back to that.
And you know, the police, they're all thinking,
we really need to get into this trunk.
Fools, there is nothing in the trunk.
Pete tries to go along to encourage Brian.
Ah, like this is all just a captivating fun dinner party story.
That night when Brian gets home, he starts messaging his friends on Discord
and texting them about how he totaled his car in the river
and he almost died from hypothermia.
But Lisa and Pete, they want to know more about the head and hands found in his room and they ask him, okay, then you said that you took, was it the head and hands home?
Mm-hmm.
Well, there's a three rule for bodies.
I call it the three rules.
Tell us about that.
Three hours rigor mortis sets in, body stiffens.
Three days the body starts to stink because of decomposition.
Three weeks the body is starting to seriously decompose
and three months the body is unrecognizable. Three years it turns into a skeleton. May I ask how you
know that? I've always had a fascination with forensics and with anatomy and physiology. That's
the three rule for bodies. Something I made up. That's something I don't want to sound like I'm
inventing something but that's why I coined the rule of three. Is it accurate?
And then he asks them?
Yeah.
Well, somewhat.
Brian smiles and leans back in his chair.
So you have the head and the hands at your house.
The head, because it was starting to stink, I was planning on throwing it away along with
the hands.
I was planning on buying an empty paint bucket, but but put the head in it, seal it, and then throw it off some ditch, like 340 Broadway,
that area where it's very hard to reach. The hands I could throw in a different spot, wherever.
And how long have you been planning or looking for someone to do this to before you found
this guy? About a year. In your mind, you thought of a plan for the past year? Well,
occasionally when you see girls walking down the street, you know, it's like the
Ed Kemper thing, where half of me says, well, I'm quite inept with women, and if I'm being
honest I'm not Ed Casanova, but half of me says I want to take that girl home and make
her feel nice, and the other half of me, just like what Ed said, I wonder what her head
looks like on a stick.
So occasionally when I'm driving down the road, if I see who catches my eye I'm just like, oh. Do you know who the person you killed was?
No, I took his wallet and I didn't look at it I just picked it up briefly scanned
over it put it in my car. Apparently it's a guy named Warren. My mom told me this
before she found out that the missing person was Warren Brown born in 63. He
gets it wrong his name is Warren Barnes.
On top of that, he just seems very disinterested.
Now, there were a lot of people who weren't disinterested.
She wasn't necessarily scared of him.
She was just aware that he was there.
She works at a gas station, let's call her Shelly,
and there was an older man with worn boots
and a gray, messy beard and a flannel old t-shirt
Just waiting outside the gas station before they open and it's like pitch-black outside because they open early
Like nobody's gotten a start to their day. It's only him outside
She was aware of him because she works at a gas station
I mean, how could she not be a little bit alert, but he didn't feel threatening
he was in the parking lot waiting for her to open reading a book. And when the door swung open, he walked in and bought himself a coffee.
And ever since that day, it was like clockwork. He was there every single day and he would
buy a coffee, sometimes a donut. If the gas station were a coffee shop where you write
a customer's name on their coffee cup in Sharpie. His coffee cup would read Warren Barnes. And Warren Barnes had a schedule like clockwork. His next stop
after Shell Gas was sometimes work. So he started working for a company called People
Ready. You are an employee of gigs and you help companies find reliable workers for temporary
positions. So he would help the sheriff's office with breaking down boxes. And in the springtime and summers, he would do lots of lawn work.
Warren was a valued worker.
One of his biggest things was that he was incredibly punctual.
But on the days that Warren was not working, he would find his way to a bridal boutique
where they sell wedding dresses in town, and there would be a chair waiting for him. He would sit down on the
chair outside next to the brick wall and he would just read. He loved cowboy
western mysteries and the locals in the community knew him as the reading man. He
was just always sitting just past the bridal boutique, the other small shops
right off Main Street in a chair that was only allowed for him.
Monique, the owner of the bridal boutique, had known about him for four years when the city removed okay so the city removed all the benches for people who were unhoused from downtown and Monique
immediately set out a chair for this man because all he wanted to do was sit on a bench and read.
It was Monique's late father's favorite chair. It was made out of bamboo
and it had this very cushiony plush seat.
And if it was sunny, particularly sunny and warm,
perfect napping weather,
Warren, who is now late in his 60s,
he would doze off with his book half open.
And still Monique recalled that she's never seen him
not finish a book in a day.
Yeah, every day.
He would sit behind the shop and just read religiously,
or at least the days he wasn't working.
Everyone in the community knew Warren.
He was their reading man.
He was comforting.
According to local paper that did boots reporting
on the Grand Junction community,
they said that Warren was known to never beg.
He never hassled anyone.
He didn't speak unless spoken to.
A head nod would usually suffice for hello.
And if a friend passed and bid him a good day,
his answer was always, and you also.
The whole time he and Monique were friends,
Warren never asked for anything.
And he denied all food and aid.
He was private, but it seems that at
the core of it he just didn't want to be anyone else's burden. Monique would
constantly double-check that he had a place to stay at night especially in the
winter and he would assure her of course I do I'm okay even if he was sleeping
under the bridge because he also knew that Monique would have rented him out
of room if she found out. Anyone in the community would have. To the rest of Grand Junction he was the reading man,
but to Monique she called him the bird man. So he would sit out there and every
lunch he would buy a subway and he would eat all the important parts then tear
off half of his bread and give it bit by bit to the birds. Monique said there's
not many people that I can say that would do something like that.
To have so little and still half of it to the birds,
I'd say, I'll see you tomorrow, Warren, have a good night.
And he'd say, and you also.
Until one day Monique set out her favorite chair for Warren
and he never showed up.
Meanwhile, March 1st, 19-year-old Brian Kohi is Googling how to wipe data from Android
phone because he had taken pictures of Warren's dead body.
Does a river wash away evidence?
How to dispose of organic material?
When he's done with that, he goes into his calendar app and marks a new event for the day of February 27th. He marks it first
People suspect he was expecting more but that was the last day Warren Barnes was seen alive
Near the end of the interrogation the officers asked ask Brian if he enjoyed it, enjoyed killing,
and Brian said,
Uh, did I enjoy it?
He leans back in his seat as he whispers to himself,
Did I enjoy it?
It's very clear that he's reliving the murder.
There's a long pause as he thinks about it, about 16 seconds.
16 seconds is a very long time.
He finally responds, I don't know, just neutral for
the whole thing. I did enjoy it, but I didn't hate it. He was also asked if he was inspired by other
serial killers like Ted Bundy, Ed Kemper, and the likes to which he responded. I wasn't necessarily
inspired. It was just more so if these people can do it, so can I? By the way, can I use the restroom?
Some netizens note that it is very strange
that he has to use the restroom
after he basically relived the murder
that he was asked if he enjoyed it,
leading some netizens to believe
that there in fact was a sexual component to the kill.
After the interrogation,
when Brian was being led to be booked,
he smiled at the officer escorting him and said,
I feel like Hannibal Lecter right now. Another fictional cannibal.
Brian Cohe pled not guilty by reason of insanity.
One thing to note that is very important is that someone can have severe mental health issues and still be legally sane.
In Colorado, in order to be found not guilty by reason of insanity,
you must prove the defendant was incapable of distinguishing between right from wrong at the
time that the crime was committed. Now, side note, Brian's attorneys try to do the most bizarre thing
ever, so this is going to be tried in the criminal court system. They want, they filed a motion to
move it to the juvenile court. He was 19 when he committed the crime. Like that's not how it works.
You don't just get to be like, oh well he's a little young. Now just a few things to note,
Brian did mention in the interrogation that a mental health counselor once told him that he
had schizo something. That's quote. He said, they just said that I had schizo something. Whether it
was schizophrenia, schizo effective, schizo frenel,, or schizoid disorder they said that I had something that was schizo. They also said
something along the lines of like you have symptoms of a schizo disorder
whichever one that was they didn't specify but I was just like okay. The
police they had to ask more questions. Do you feel like you have that? I don't know
impossible to tell. Self-diagnosing is foolish. Yeah but do you- schizophrenia is
pretty clear
because people recognize they have
a different personality in there.
Which is incorrect, I don't know why the police said that.
He says, I don't have any hallucinations.
I had delusions, I guess.
Years ago, I thought I was obsessed
with people staring at me.
I felt people watching me from every window.
The birds were looking at me, watching me, the furniture.
That was a delusion, I suppose.
But you don't have times where you feel like another personality is in your body?
No, that's Dissociative Identity Disorder. Schizophrenia is- well no, what I'm asking Brian
is do you have multiple people talking to you at the same time? That type of thing. No,
no one was talking to me. During the interrogation, Brian denies having hallucinations and psychosis.
He also admits to taking measures to hide the crime and he expresses regret, not for taking a During the interrogation, Brian denies having hallucinations and psychosis.
He also admits to taking measures to hide the crime and he expresses regret, not for
taking a life.
But he said, if I knew I was going to prison for 15 to 20 years, I would not have killed
someone.
Yeah.
Okay.
So this is very interesting because he's actually facing a lot longer than that.
It's not like he was even a minor when he committed the crime.
So I don't know where he got that bold guesstimate of 15 to 20 years. Very strange. It's also argued that Brian
was on a very low dose of antidepressants, but a few months before the murder, the murder took place
February 2021, his dosage was upped. Yeah. But when Brian's doctors took the stand, they stated that
Brian showed zero signs of psychosis, hallucinations, delusions, paranoia
And he never spoke of hurting himself or anybody else for that matter
Brian's family doctor even saw Brian three days before the murder because he had this boil
Under his right armpit like an abscess and he did not note or pick up on any strange behavior from Brian
The doctor stated definitely not psychotic at the time that he came in for his boil three days before the murder. Terry and
Brian Sr. genuinely seemed heartbroken that that their son had killed someone.
When they were first brought into the police station the day they found the
head and hands, Terry the mom sits down and she's a wreck, she's a mess. It's clear
that she's trying to cope with everything.
And it's very heartbreaking when you just look at the footage.
Now Terry tells the investigator about Brian's obsession with crime scenes and she says,
a lot of obsession with preservation of on crime and crime scenes.
And so he was just talking about going into the military in the fall and when he gets
out, having your job.
What? I guess he was talking about becoming an investigator.
That's what she said?
Yeah, and she like is very enthusiastic.
She's like very depressed and is like he was talking about going to the military and then
now he I guess the plan was having your job.
The investigators also asked her about potential animal abuse.
Brian himself admitted to killing a cat for fun, but it seems like that they really had no clue.
She said, oh no, like he loves our dogs, you know, I mean he's very affectionate with our animals, you know, and he would watch, you know, just last week he watched Silence of the Lambs, but I I mean, I've watched it. It doesn't make me a serial killer, you know?
And he watched the Zodiac Killer
over the summer a couple times. But, you know, he had a morbid sense of humor, and we made jokes, and I'd say,
Brian, that is not funny.
He'd go, yeah, it is, Mom.
You just don't get my sense of humor.
Brian's dad said, we had him go to counseling, you know?
We were just kind of concerned about that.
He made jokes about making nooses, and doing this and that,
and I don't know, we just played it off as normal talk.
But I'm like, you know, Brian, we wouldn't, you know,
but I didn't know the depth of the water I don't I don't understand he's obviously sick
he's obviously very sick because you would notice weird things about him just
some days he'd get cold just he looks at me and he's got this cold look on his
face Brian's dad does seem to be going through it he's kind of curled himself
into a ball in the interview room and he says so I don't know what's gonna
happen now I don't know how we got to get some type
of advice or find out what to do because you know my wife she's got her own
business here and I have my own business and I carry the same name as my son and
now as soon as it's gonna be all over the papers Brian Coe killed someone
right now and we can't do anything we can't go anywhere I'm not working
anymore she can't have any more kids anymore for the daycare it's all
everything's over I mean it's all done now
It's done. Our lives are totally over
During the trial they came to support their son
They still testified technically against him, I guess but Brian even scowled at his dad when he was on the stand
But Brian's mom begged the court to show Brian mercy and asked for better mental care and said that the odds were stacked against Brian
From the get-go. She said Brian is not the sum of his mental defects and
his actions and he can one day have a positive impact on society. She said he
was a child who had the odds stacked against him from the beginning, a child
who was loved, a child who was prayed for, a child who struggled for his entire
life with emotions. Brian does not think and feel like the rest of us. There are
arguments on whether or not the parents could have foreseen something happening with Brian.
I mean, I don't think anyone expects them to know what day he's going to do something
or that he's going to murder and decapitate a man, but it's very clear that his behavior was only escalating.
Brian's history teacher, Jeremy, said,
we weren't obviously the only class that was having issues with him.
And again, the mom just kind of brushed it off.
A friend of Brian's mom said, it seems like Terry, the mom, chalked it up to the school
unfairly targeting her son.
She said Terry had this binder of all the conflicts that she had with the school district.
So apparently she said that, you know, when Brian was younger, he was bullied a lot and
the school's district did nothing about it,
but later Brian is now having behavior issues
from his probably bullying trauma
and he gets singled out as the bad guy.
Yeah, I don't know, maybe Terry felt like for some reason
that the schools just never liked Brian to begin with,
I have no idea.
But while Brian's parents seem surprised to a degree,
the school teachers do not.
All of them said, I was not surprised at all.
His journalism teacher said,
I mean, I've been doing this for 23 years
and I know you can't get a gut feeling, okay?
But it's just, I just always felt uneasy around him.
Like there was, you know,
and he just needed a lot more help
than we could offer him in a public school setting.
And so when I saw that on the news, I hated to see it.
I wasn't necessarily surprised, but yeah.
Wow.
Another teacher stated, no, I wasn't surprised.
I was just more let down by the system
because we had called it out that he needed help
and he had all these kinds of red flags
that were going off and it still happened.
One coworker from Safeway, where Brian worked part-time
as a bagger, stated that Brian became more talkative in the months leading up to the murder.
He also talked about how he didn't have any friends.
So she was trying to cheer him up and she told him,
well, we're your friends. Me and all the other coworkers were your friends.
And he responded, yeah, to pity.
One of Brian's friends testified at the trial,
and she basically, even during her police interview, said,
well, he never talked to me about killing a homeless person specifically
But he definitely talked to me a lot about killing and I was actually surprised because I figured that if he was gonna do something
Like this it would be on a much larger scale
Like I thought he would I don't want to sound vulgar
But I figured if he was gonna snap it would be like shooting up a store or something like that
And he mentioned like he didn't like his neighbors.
So I thought maybe something would happen there.
So I was actually really, really surprised
that he had killed someone.
But also I was really surprised
that it had only been one person.
Even later in psych evaluations for the trial,
doctors asked Brian how he felt now after the murder.
And he responded, yeah, it just kind of happened.
You know, it's a thing that happened.
It sucks, but it happened.
And they asked, what about it sucks?
And he said, because I'm locked up now.
I can't see my friends
and I really miss video games and the internet.
February 3rd, 2023, Brian Cohey Jr.
was found guilty of first degree murder
and sentenced to life in prison.
Brian's mom shouted at Brian,
I'll visit you as soon as I can, baby,
when he was sentenced,
and it's alleged that he did not even look at her.
Terry, the mom, seems to be coping in her own way.
She's got her emotional support animal to keep her company, and it's believed, I don't
know how true this is, that she started a YouTube channel.
The YouTube channel is called, quote, the Brian Kohi story.
Her, I don't know if it's her, but the bio reads,
the heartbreaking story of Terry Kohi, the mother of Brian Kohi,
who murdered at the age of 19 and would have likely gone on to become a notorious serial killer.
These are Terry's words, Terry's story told in installments.
It currently has zero videos up as of right now.
Now, interesting thing to note, Brian made multiple comments that he targeted vulnerable people,
people he thought that would not be missed and would be easily forgotten.
But Warren now has a permanent memorial, a metal life-sized recreation of Warren's
favorite chair in front of the bridal shop.
And it was important for the community that only Warren sits there.
So they all put a stack of books on the seat.
And their pages blow in the wind and the book at the top on the stack has on its spine.
They wrote, and you also.
Warren will never be forgotten.
But Brian will be.
As of right now, Brian has been in a close security level prison for about three-ish years
and he will stay there until he dies.
May he live a very very long life.
And that is the story of Brian Cohe Jr. and Warren Barnes.
What are your thoughts? The interrogation video went viral and it just...
Yeah, I mean, I don't even...
I don't even know what to say.
What are your thoughts?
Leave it in the comments and please stay safe.
And I will see you guys on Sunday for the next one.
Bye!