SmartLess - SmartLess Media Presents: Pretty Sure I Can Fly with Johnny Knoxville & Elna Baker
Episode Date: April 18, 2024Pretty Sure I Can Fly is a humorous exploration of things that had never been done, until someone did them. It’s a series of weekly conversations about what it takes to break through the ba...rrier of “impossible” and set new standards for human limitation. Pretty Sure I Can Fly is like going to history class, except your teachers are actor, stuntman, and outlaw radio DJ Johnny Knoxville and long-time This American Life contributor Elna Baker. And each week they bring a new guest to tell you all about how they “grabbed the bull by the bunglesteen” or “really hogwrenched that spatooly.”Listen to Pretty Sure I Can Fly: Wondery.fm/PSICFSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.
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Guys, Jason had to scoot very quickly
and apologize profusely for not being here
for this little thing that we're about to do,
which we're really excited about.
He's missing the party, he's missing the fun.
He's missing the party.
Yes.
He does feel really, really bad.
Yeah.
But we have a couple guests with us today
for a super quick plug for a new Smartless media show.
Yes.
Called Pretty Sure I Can Fly.
We can't wait for the show, we're super pumped.
One of the hosts is a friend of the podcast,
has been on before and actor filmmakers made us laugh
for literally years and is a partner in crime
as a woman who we haven't had the pleasure of meeting yet.
And sorry, and figuratively years.
And figuratively years.
You said literally years.
And figuratively years.
But literally years, at least me.
And a woman who we haven't had the pleasure of meeting yet
who will be a friend of the show
after this little chat and giggle.
She's a brilliant writer and producer
of one of the all time greats this American life.
Love that show.
Willie, let's say hello to Johnny Knoxville
and Elna Baker.
Okay, I'm gonna say hello.
Hello.
Well, hello.
Hi.
Hi guys.
This is so exciting that you're here.
Tell us about the show.
I can't wait.
I mean, I know about it,
but tell everybody else about it.
Yeah.
It's a show about people with more balls than a bowling alley.
Sure.
It's people who have achieved great things
while thumbing their nose at naysayers,
established thought, failure, personal safety, and gravity.
Yeah, I love that.
I love the press release that says,
for people who have done things that have never been done until someone did them. Yeah, I love the press release that says, for people who have done things that have never been done
until someone did them.
Yeah, that's pretty good writing, huh?
Yeah, it's pretty good.
And I will say, Knoxville, you've got some history
with this, you've obviously spent some time in between,
over the years, doing shit that other people won't do, stuff
that seems really scary and gnarly.
So I can see it.
But Elna, how much of an appetite do you have for doing shit that you're not, you didn't
think people could do?
I mean, to an extent, I mean, I grew up Mormon, so I wasn't allowed to do anything.
Right.
So like, for me, I guess, it wasn't like being brave
in terms of like jumping off a cliff,
but it was like leaving a religion, giving hand jobs.
Like, there were, you know, there were the things
that I had to figure out.
That was the first thing.
Wow.
And that's why I joined.
Well, that's what led you to leave,
ultimately, one of the things, right?
You were 28?
Yes, I left at 20.
I had, I touched a penis for the first time at 28.
Is that true?
28?
That is true, yeah.
It was touching the penis, the thing that opened the...
Yes, it was.
It really was.
That was the gateway.
Penis was the gateway drug?
The penis was the gateway.
Yeah.
Wow.
When did you have your first Coke?
Coca-Cola.
Like Coca-Cola?
Otherwise she's going to say 8 a.m.
I know.
I was like a, we were the kind of Mormons who drank Coca-Cola, but I didn't have my first
coffee until I was 28.
And I remember like being so afraid to order it just because I didn't know how to say the
word.
Wait, so everything happened at 28? Everything, because I left at 28.
Yeah, once I touched a dick, I was, you know.
Yeah, tell me about it.
Same.
Yeah, tell me about it.
Catholicism, same thing.
So wait, did you, do you still have family members
in the church?
Everyone, yeah, everyone is still my man.
Do you still, do you have a good relationship?
Decent, yeah, great, yeah.
Johnny, what about you?
Well, I started with decent.
I mean, I'd love to dig into that a little bit. You opened with decent. Yeah, great. Yeah, Johnny. What about you? I'll start it with decent. I mean, I'd love to dig into that
You open with decent I'm gonna take you word as they might hear this
By the way, if they're listening to this then they're lapsed and then they're just as guilty as you are and now the playing field
Is level. Yeah, but Johnny do you any what denomination did you grow up in? Catholicism? Oh, Southern Baptist, it was intense.
I knew that.
Was it hardcore?
I didn't realize how intense it was at the time.
It's not like the Pentecostals who handle snakes,
but in Southern Baptist, you're not supposed to dance or, you know.
But my parents didn't believe in... They weren't that strict, so...
But if you handle the Pentecostals, they could maybe be on an episode of Pretty Sure I Can Fly,
because if they're handling snakes...
Oh, yeah.
That's what I'm saying. I'm saying being so repressed makes you want to go take these risks later on in life Oh, totally. I mean that's one of the things that like I love about interviewing the different people we've interviewed is like I
Remember this sports writer telling me that like all the greatest athletes had some primal wound
That and that thing that happened in their childhood is what makes them like achieve or even try
for sure and so many of these people that we've talked to like you find out
Oh
like, you know Manny Pigg who you know, you've seen on a
Jackass and who Johnny knows like I had no idea that like his father was killed by a firing squad in Cuba
Like the origins of what made him crazy do these insane brave things
Came from like something really deep and real or like Garrett
McNamara who's the 100 foot wave guy.
You learn about his child.
It's bonkers.
Like he basically like at one point his mother was this hippie but she put him in this cult.
A lot of cults.
A lot of cults but the sort of the most memorable.
He was in many cults?
Many cults, but the most memorable. He was in many cults?
Many cults, but the one they had to renounce
all their possessions, he and his brother
had to wear bedsheets.
They just walked around.
They had to beg for everything.
They couldn't buy anything.
And it was just so humiliating to be
walking the streets in Berkeley in these outfits
begging for things.
And these back stories are like what get them to do these things.
It's incredible. Johnny, have any of these stories inspired you to try something?
Well, I'm a little slow on the uptake,
so I'm trying to not do things anymore.
I'm trying to overcome my, you know, my...
Addiction to putting yourself in dangerous situations.
It became an addiction.
It did become an addiction.
It must, it must.
Was there a thing, was there like a common trait
that you noticed in a lot of these people that you,
other than the childhood, a lot of them came
from difficult childhoods.
Anything else that sort of gave people that you, other than the childhood, a lot of them came from difficult childhoods. Anything else that gave you that fearlessness?
I think the, yeah, if there's a through line,
people on the show, it's bravery and being colorful.
And these people are extremely determined.
Very determined.
Wow.
And usually, I mean, it's complicated though, right?
Because like you're talking about like adrenaline junkies, right?
Right, right.
Some are.
Some, like, get in and then kind of become addicted and then they're trying to accomplish
something great, but they're also like putting their, I mean, you're a perfect example, Johnny.
Like you...
Put your life on the line.
Yeah, you kept putting your life on the line
and then ultimately suffered a traumatic brain injury.
So, like, there's this level at which, like,
you're on the razor's edge of admiring and also being like,
you guys should stop.
You should stop.
Sean wants to know, and just ask,
he doesn't want to embarrass himself,
can you get a traumatic brain injury from watching TV every night? You can but
But look at me. I'm still here. Hey Sean
Have you seen hundred foot wave by the way? No, you have to watch this so the good thing and it's by that guy
Garrett McNamara, I definitely told you about it in right watching what watching what he these big wave surfers do not just Garrett
but all those guys,
when I see those guys, when they're like,
man, there's a storm coming to Portugal, to Nazaré.
We gotta get there, we've got 48 hours,
we need to get there, because there's a fucking crazy storm,
and I need to get on a surfboard
and have a dude tow me in behind a ski-doo
so I can get on the storm waves.
And I'm thinking like,
I'm looking for the closest restaurant
that's got a happy hour.
I wanna make sure.
I'm looking for the next.
What do they have on draft?
I'm looking for the next Harry Potter movie.
I'm like, crazy.
But yeah, that's insane.
So are you guys, is it fun?
Have you guys been having a good time?
Like is it like, it's gotta be fascinating
to learn all these stories, they sound incredible.
It's so fascinating.
Yeah, I mean just talking to Ty Stokes,
who was on the Jamaican founding member
of the Jamaican bobsled team,
the real story behind that team
is so much more interesting than the movie.
Cool Runnings?
Yeah.
Yeah, Cool Runnings butchered it.
Like the actual story.
Wait, now you're telling me that the Disney movie
Cool Runnings that was trying to capitalize
on the Jamaican bobsled team,
it wasn't true.
I'm trying to take this away from you.
Really?
That's great.
Cool story?
Oh, it's an insane story.
He got put on this team like a mere months before the Olympics started.
They didn't have a bobsled, they didn't have a bobsled track.
They'd never been on ice?
Yeah, they didn't have a place to train.
They didn't even get to go down the...
A bobsled down the...
What do you call it?
The hill or whatever?
The track, with a...
Like what?
Two or three weeks before the Olympics for the first time?
Are you serious?
Yeah.
How did they qualify?
Do you know this?
They ended up training for months.
They trained on daiquiris.
They would go...
So stupid.
How did they qualify?
Anyway, you know what?
We're going to listen to the podcast.
That's what we're going to find out.
We're going to listen to it.
I can't wait.
It's called Pretty Sure I Can Fly.
It's Johnny Knoxville and Elna Baker together again.
You guys make such a great pair.
The show sounds great.
It's a great show. It's a great show. It's a Can Fly. It's Johnny Knoxville and Elna Baker together again.
You guys make such a great pair.
The show sounds so awesome.
I truly can't wait to listen to it.
Yeah, it's really good. It is available right now
on whatever podcast platform you're currently listening to.
Yeah, thank you.
Thank you so much, Johnny and Elna.
All right, thank you.
Thank you. Thanks, guys.
Thanks a lot, we appreciate it.
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["Pretty Sure I Can Fly"]
Ladies and gentlemen, Travis Mastrana.
Everybody in this house is now standing up
and cheering on the 199.
Go Travis!
Can you tell me the story of the double backflip?
Because that to me was also, I mean, I got chills in that moment in the movie,
but I would love to hear you tell me the story.
There's very few times in your life where something that means so much to you means
so much to a group around you and even more rare that it means that much to the world.
I still have people tell me almost once a week I get someone that still remembers where
they were at that moment.
My grandma and all her friends watch it.
It's live on TV.
My mom was crying because she had known that you know
I'm about 75% in the foam pit, but if it comes around short, there's a really good chance of a broken neck or
Paralyzed her it was a really and even up until you did it
It seemed like was it really like I don't know if I'm gonna go through with it or not and the reason
Okay, we're just explaining like you always say I'm in or I'm out.
The reason this was such a tough decision for me,
and I think the reason that it got built up more
was because I was on the fence on this.
I have an opportunity to go out there and try a trick
that I've been working for for three, four years,
but I'm sitting third.
So I'm like, if I don't do a double backflip,
I still get a medal.
I still get paid, which is going to really help everything
else that I've been putting into rally. And is my goal to be a freestyle motocross rider
or is my goal to continue on in action sports and to have a career that's going to expand
hopefully longer? And it worked out in rally. And I said, said you know what I'm both said I'm
gonna land this trick and went out there and decided like literally last second
played rock-paper-scissors with my redneck friend Hubert wait you you the
deciding factor was a rock-paper-scissors right before I went up
there Hubert we went rock-paper-scissors I gave thumbs up to basically Sal and
the guys and they're like all all right, they raised the ramp.
And no one has ever done this before.
At that time, I had done it to a sand pile in a controlled environment.
That was a big step up.
So if you came up short or didn't make it, it sucked, but it was, you know, so.
Yeah.
It was a hard surface that day, right?
I was just blue grove.
It was, it was pretty much worst case scenario for me.
We took the ramp that was already existing and then raised it on two by fours.
It looked like something we'd built in our backyard for like, you know, when we were
five years old.
And it's like, you know, my dad's out there like strapping the ramp down and trying to
get it so it doesn't move because if the ramp falls over, then I'm definitely going to deep
crap.
And so you're up there and you're about to go.
Yeah, it was one of the coolest experiences ever.
Got up there and the guy that drops me in,
he gave me a thumbs up.
He said, it's on you, take your time.
And I looked around and every single person
was on their feet.
Entire sold out, Staples Center, all of my heroes, you had Kevin Robinson, you had Chad
Kegge, they were holding hands.
I had Brian Deegan, all the militia was all down there looking.
It was one of the coolest experiences and I remember inside my helmet smiling and when
I dropped in, everything kind of went to slow motion.
Usually you get a slow motion if anyone's crashed a car
or been in a really bad,
like where you think everything's going bad.
I've never had slow motion where I took off
and I can remember the smells, I can remember the sounds,
I can remember everything was so vivid.
And I came around on the first pull and I checked the landing
and I remember thinking, as Trevor Jacobs said later,
he's like, oh, you can't check.
And I'm like, oh no, now I'm short. And I whip my head back and I see the lights.
So when you practice this trick, you know, in the foam pit, you have, you know, you got
the sky above you and in the ground. But on this day, you've got blinding lights where
you can't see anything straight ahead of you. And then below you is kind of dark. And I
just remember kind of just smiling again. I'm like, well, I'm all in.
I can't I can't get out of this now.
And I came around and like literally hit couldn't hit better.
And I was just like, what the heck just happened?
I dropped down and dropped the bike and I run up.
And the first person there was just some drunk guy out of the stands that just
overpowered the security and gave me a big hug up top.
Like, I don't even know you. Yes, let's go.
Oh my word.
Are you kidding me? How many times can you find the holy grail in one building? A double backflip from Travis Pastrana.
So that was pretty cool.
I was at home watching it live and it was like,
I had tears going down my cheeks like the end of Old Yeller
because it was such an amazing moment and so memorable.
Yeah, I was blown away.
Is that, you think that's the biggest moment
of your career or? Moment that the world felt what I felt?
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