The Always Sunny Podcast - Femail Bag with Kaitlin Olson
Episode Date: January 23, 2023I find the middle ground boring AF....
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No, you gotta go on the couch.
No, no, no.
No, no, no, no.
This feels like the head of the table.
It feels right.
Hi.
It's been forever.
How are you?
I'm good.
I like this shirt.
Oh, thanks.
Hi, Sweepie.
Hi.
I had an unreal, a nougat, like a fake snickers.
It was great.
How was it?
Delicious.
Oh, Meg's got water too.
Yeah, I put some water for you guys.
Mine's sparkling.
You guys, this is flat.
This is going to be fun that I get to see you guys,
because I feel like we haven't seen each other in days.
No, we have been in a deep, dark writing hole.
They're in that point of the season that I always love,
where a sign pops up on your office door that says,
do not disturb.
Yeah, I feel it.
Genius at work.
Yeah, this is a time of year where there's not enough time in a day
where you're like, oh my God, we got so much to do.
And then production meetings are popping up.
And people are having questions like, is it this jar?
Is it this jug?
They're like, oh my God, just pick a jar.
A jug.
But then they do it.
You're like, well, not that.
I can't be that one.
That ruins the jug.
That's the whole jug.
I know.
Meg and I are just talking about that.
I don't want to do it all.
But if you don't do it all, then everything falls apart.
Yeah, you know, you got something in your head,
and no one else really knows what's in your head.
That's not their fault.
They're not in your head.
They're not in your head.
And plus we cut all the description from our scripts
so that we can reach our page count.
You know what I mean?
Like, you know, like if it comes in 30 pages,
we're like, I know, but...
Cut all the stage direction.
Yeah.
Descriptive flowery writing.
Yeah, yeah.
We cut it all out so that we can reach our page count,
not because the network says you got to do it,
because we're like, OK, if we write a 30-page script,
we're going to be cutting five minutes out in the editing room.
Yeah.
That's going to be me that gets cut,
because I'm not the one who wrote it.
Well, we can't cut Caitlyn's best stuff.
We can't cut Caitlyn out.
Guys, Glen's not here.
Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the podcast,
Glen's not here.
Yeah.
Glen's not here.
He is going to Alabama for family,
some family business.
So we'll just have to make do.
Oh, don't you do it.
Well, it'll be fine.
Yeah.
It's great.
We were going to talk about the road trip episode,
but Glen has very specific memories he really wants to share.
So we'll wait.
We will wait.
So just so I'm 100% clear,
because I was a part of this meeting,
but I didn't bring it up at the time,
because I didn't want to take the wind out of Glen's sails.
He said, well, I'm not going to be here tomorrow,
but you guys definitely need to do the podcast,
because we need to get it out.
And also, you can't do it the way
that you want to do it.
You can't do it the way the audience wants it,
which is us just talking about the episodes.
You're going to have to come up with a completely different format
and just sort of riff.
And then when I get back before you invited me,
I didn't realize.
Well, we said, let's bring in a ringer, you know,
like bringing a comedy ringer.
Let's pump this thing up.
Let's juice this pot a little bit.
Oh, okay.
Let's juice the pot.
Do you juice the pot?
You juice anything you want to have more juice in it.
That's for sure.
That's for sure.
That I know.
Why did Glen not want us to talk about the episodes?
Because Glen and I, I think, are credit with writing that one.
And I actually have fond memories of writing that one.
And I guess he does too.
And he really wants to share those stories.
And it's good because my fond memories are blurry
to the point of not existing.
I just feel as though I remember something.
What I remembered.
May not.
I don't know.
I'm hoping he can pry it out of the egg here and crack you wide open.
Crack this egg and get some info on it.
Well, I do have some mailbag questions that people wrote in.
Yeah.
Just for us.
And then also specific questions for Caitlin.
They wanted to answer it.
Great.
So we could do that.
Mailbag episodes.
Okay.
Is anyone else here a mailbag and think, yep.
If it's about Caitlin, it should be female bag.
Oh, that's nice.
It's called a female bag episode.
No, I thought of your cock and balls.
Yeah.
Thank you.
Thank you.
Thank you.
I didn't want to say it.
Let's go to the mail.
Megan, let's go to the mail.
We should tell people because I don't think we told them the reason
that we're in this crappy, horrific overhead fluorescent lighting.
Yes, because we can't stop in the middle of the writing day,
drive over to our podcast office, drive back here and start.
There's no time to waste.
We just have too many offices.
Too many great cars to drive.
Too many cars.
There's not enough time.
We need to make the show.
Listen, we got to go over to the valley then back to Century City,
back to the Fox lot.
It's just such a slog.
Megan, have you been reading the scripts?
I read your rewrite on my script last night.
Super funny.
I loved it.
I can't wait to read it.
Can you say the name of it or are you not allowed to say it?
No.
Say the name?
The name?
No.
I don't understand this style of marketing.
I want to get people excited about seeing it.
That's how I feel.
I don't think we're making...
Here's why, though.
Okay.
Oftentimes, we change the title in the editing room.
All part of the rich mad history.
You say that.
The rich tapestry.
This is all part of it.
It's all part of the rich tapestry of the production of this television series
and the story.
Yeah.
I just got all the episodes last night, I think.
We didn't get all the episodes.
I got all the ones that are ready to be read last night.
I haven't started reading them yet.
Can you describe my state, my emotional state, my physical state?
What was it, two nights ago?
Yeah.
Yeah.
What's going on with Robbie at home?
I think this would be good.
This is good for the creeps and the listeners.
Yeah.
Well, he came home, door opened and closed.
And then you just heard slow footsteps coming in.
I thought maybe there was an intruder.
Yeah, you don't move slow.
No.
I move fast like a cat, usually.
Yeah, yeah.
Like a cat, exactly.
No, you came home and I was making dinner and I came over and gave you a hug.
And you were like, hi, hi.
And the smile was not real.
And then we hugged.
And I was like, what's going on?
And then just no information out of you.
And you were really forcing it and trying for the kids because they came and said hi
and get a good dinner.
And then we were watching TV and you were just kind of like staring off to the side,
not watching and wouldn't really say much.
You're like, oh, it's just, it's just, it's just a lot.
It's a lot at work.
And then put on, again, put on a pretty good show for the kids for our whole like
nighttime stuff.
I'm washing my face.
I come into the bedroom.
He's sitting.
We have a little like, you know, bench thing at the end of our bed.
He's sitting on it, just sitting on the bench, just staring at the ground.
Your head was in your hands.
I was like, what is, what is happening?
You're like depressed.
Never seen this.
Yeah, you were very, very nervous.
Which day was, what day was that?
Two days ago.
Two days ago.
We've been in a good spot.
A week before I get that.
We had like a really good run and it wasn't, I didn't, I wasn't miserable.
And the reason I feel comfortable sharing this with our audience is because I don't
want anybody to feel sorry for me.
I just want them to know that I'm trying to give it my all.
And we all are.
We're in season 16.
And people think we're like, we put things on like autopilot and we, and we don't.
We really want to make something great.
And so again, I'm not asking for people to feel sorry for me.
People have really difficult jobs that are life and death.
And this is not that.
Absolutely.
So, so, but in terms of that, I don't want to qualify other than other than to say that
we care so much about doing something good.
And it's hard in season 16 to make sure that if we're only going to do eight episodes,
that they're all really great.
And I think everybody feels that way.
And everybody has those moments throughout the season where they're just like exhausted,
like physically and emotionally exhausted.
Well, there was the point, you know, where we were talking and I was like, I really think
we should not write on Sunday.
Right.
Cause I'm like, we're going to go, you know, 10, 11, 12 days in a row, eight to 12 hours
of writing nonstop.
And I don't mean like kind of like brainstorming sitting in front of computer typing, you know,
and your brain just drains because you're just pumping everything you every little ounce
out of it.
You can replenish.
Yeah.
Dude, I was staring out the window at like three in the morning.
Like I woke up.
I had a little bathroom.
I woke up and I started to look out the window and just kind of looking at the view.
And then maybe 10 minutes went by and realized, dude, you're just staring at the window like
a crazy person.
I called Meg twice.
Go back to bed.
Two times after that window right there.
Staring at the window.
Two times.
She's just staring at the window.
It's also good.
Like it's your in like your most creative point where you're pushing yourself outside
this past Saturday.
I had a blast.
I knew I had to run.
And it was raining and I went out to the, to my office and I just spent the day writing
and I had a lot of fun.
So it's definitely fun.
It's just sometimes you just get drained.
And I knew that if I, my kids were so sweet, my oldest son was like, dad, I can see you're
sad.
And he's like, I'm not used to seeing you sad.
I was like, I'm not sad.
I'm just kind of drained.
And he goes, I got the answer for you.
All you have to do is just look at cat memes.
Just look at cat memes.
And I was like, all right.
Fuck it.
So he went to bed.
I put them to bed.
And then I, Caitlin actually fell asleep and I just couldn't sleep.
I was like, my head was spinning and I just took out my phone and I just Googled cat memes.
Look at the cat memes.
Which I've never done before in my life.
And I, I found it delightful.
I bet you did.
And then I fell asleep.
I woke up and I was excited about coming to work.
But I'll tell you what, I'm not feeling, I'm feeling jazzed now.
Like it was a breakthrough week of just, you know, I think just kind of something to the
grindstone.
Yeah.
What do you put?
Your axe to the grindstone.
I think you put your nose to the grindstone.
Nose?
What the fuck would you put your nose to a grindstone?
It's not a good idea.
It's not a good idea.
Well, an axe to the grindstone, doesn't that sharpen that?
Yeah.
But for whatever reason, I think it's nose.
I know you have an axe to grind, but you put your nose to the grindstone.
There you go.
Why would you want to grind your nose?
Your head's down and you're just grinding.
You're not up looking around like, I'd love to grind some other things.
Yeah.
You know what I mean?
I would grind my own face.
I'd like to grind that night over there.
You're like, I'd like to grind this stone.
I'd like to grind my sword on the stone.
I don't know what it says.
Two rival explanations.
One is that it comes from the supposed habit of millers
who checked that the stones used for grinding cereal
weren't overheating by putting their nose to the stone
in order to smell any burning.
It's like kissing a baby's forehead to see if they have a fever.
But that's not about working hard.
That's just like smelling your work if you don't mind.
The other comes from the practice of knife grinders
when sharpening blades to bend over the stone
or even lie flat on their fronts with their faces near the grindstone
and holding the blades against the stone.
That makes more sense.
It's like pay attention.
Yeah.
You're in close in your grind.
Well, look, it was a good week.
I feel really good about where we are with the scripts.
We got to maybe do that again for a few more days.
By the way, that day, whenever it was Wednesday,
it was actually a great day.
Yeah.
It's exhausting in a very strange way
because if you do something physical,
then you're tired and your body is tired and you want to go to sleep.
If you're doing something just mental all day long, you're just exhausted.
You can't go to sleep.
I'm going to say that probably there's a lot of creeps and listeners out there
who are maybe also having a difficult week this week
and maybe for the creeps, not as much as for the listeners, you guys are fucked,
but the creeps, if you could throw a cat meme in just every once in a while
throughout the episode, you just maybe with a transition here and there.
Well, for the listeners, let's just add a nice cat sound.
So wait, these memes are just still photos.
They're not like that.
They say something funny.
That's a gif.
If it moves, it's a gif.
If it's still, it's a meme.
Interestingly enough, I think my son prefers dogs.
I think he likes dogs more than cats.
In general.
But he likes cat memes.
Yeah, he likes dog shaming memes.
Dog shaming memes are awesome.
Those are fun.
I'll throw in a couple of them.
Nothing like shaming.
He might as well.
Those are good.
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Okay, well, we'll do some mailbag stuff
because I got a bunch of questions.
And so we'll take advantage of Caitlin being here
to answer some of them.
Question first one is from Isaac.
I'd really like to hear the comedic influences
for the guys growing up.
Who made them decide they want to do comedy?
In particular, I would love to hear the answer to this question
from Caitlin, Meg, or Mary Elizabeth.
So, yeah.
Well, you have Caitlin, so you can hear it.
I'll speak for all of us because I'm a woman
and we all have the same.
Definitely Carol Burnett, Gilda Radner.
We watched a lot of Saturday Night Live.
I thought she was great.
Betty White for sure, all the Golden Girls.
It was a big Golden Girls fan, but Betty White.
Now, all of them.
Dorothy's deadpan, like straight guys.
Every single one of them was a comedic assassin.
Totally.
All of them.
That show was a huge one for me.
And then Julia Louis-Dreyfus.
Yeah, Seinfeld was big.
I had a bunch of male role models too.
I thought, I mean, Will Farrell was always like a homerun for me.
Bill Murray.
All Bill Murray stuff I loved.
Do you remember like early comedic stuff you watched
that you liked the best, like when you were...
Yeah, I mean, so I would go to my grandma's house
every Saturday night.
We would watch the entire lineup of Golden Girls
and the 227.
227.
You remember?
Yeah.
Yeah, those were big.
That and Saturday night.
My whole family would watch that.
I always thought that was really good.
I liked that they were just like balls out,
like not trying to like be cute.
Because back then it was like everybody was watching
Threes Company and like stuff where like the girls
were just like pretty and dumb.
And my mom was like, you're not watching Threes Company.
I've got a specific question for Caitlin here,
which is from Vanessa Ramirez.
Do you often break bones because of carrying the weight
of being the best actor on Sunny?
That's not so much a question.
That's a real suck up compliment.
Written in a funny way.
Vanessa, you're hired.
I like it so much.
No, but Rob did make me get a bone density test.
I did.
At one point because he had had enough.
What point in your life did you get that?
Yeah, recently.
Within the last year.
Oh, recently?
No.
No, no.
The bone density test?
Yeah.
That was within the last year.
No, it wasn't.
You have broken so many bones since I've met you.
I know, but it wasn't within that.
We've been married for a very long time.
I know which doctor did it,
and it was the one at our old house.
It was at least five years ago.
Well, it's time for another one.
What did it come back with?
Anyway, thank you, Charlie.
My bones are dense as hell.
Zero problems.
Well, the only thing I came back so proud of this information,
I was like, you realize that that's worse.
That's even more fucked up.
Just means I fall hard.
How many bones you've broken?
Yeah.
And the fact that they are dense.
I think ten, right?
I think that we kind of tend.
You don't got enough padding.
I'm going to make you some pasta.
Yeah.
I'm going to get you a big old full of pasta.
Let's put more pasta.
Let's fatten you up.
Ten bones.
Ten bones.
Ten bones.
We've met.
Yeah.
How many bones have I broken since we've met?
No, you have not.
I've broken zero bones in his life.
In my life?
Yeah.
So none since we've met.
No bones your whole life?
No.
No.
How many bones have you broken?
None.
I'm not bragging.
That's pretty normal.
When I was pregnant with our first kid,
because I had broken my tailbone twice at that point
and it had healed strangely, I guess.
She was like, oh, yeah.
No, no, I can see your tailbone's kind of curved in.
She's like, it'll most likely break when the baby's on his way out,
but it's not a big deal.
I'm like, no, no, no.
No, it is.
You're going to probably shatter the pieces when the baby comes out of you.
But the baby will be fine.
You'll be fine.
You'll be fine.
It's going to blast your tailbone off your ass,
but you don't worry about it.
Yeah.
You know what?
It all worked out.
My tailbone did not break when the baby came out,
just in case there were any follow-up questions.
When did it break?
It broke a number of times.
Yeah.
And after.
All right.
Take it easy.
Was one of those with the scooter in the sweetie gets audited episode?
No, I was.
It was a risk thing, right?
No, I think I just crashed the bike into the set.
Oh, yeah.
I didn't get hurt.
Oh, yeah.
That was embarrassing.
One of the greatest throws to titles ever is you in that helmet.
I made all the contacts.
I pushed that little monkey out,
and now I'm going to be claiming him as a dependent
and getting tax breaks for the next 18 years.
So you talk about a scheme.
How's that for a long-term scheme, bitches?
Yeah, you guys all better eat a dick because Sweet D beat the system.
I'm so excited.
Doing that thing with your head and throwing it.
One of the best.
Yeah, that was a good one.
That was a funny helmet.
Made my head look dumb.
Yeah, it was a good comedy helmet.
Yeah, comedy helmet.
I liked it.
Okay.
If you could choose an actor or actress to guest star on Sunny,
who would it be?
Can I bring Betty White back from the dead?
That would be so nice.
That would be good.
But you did meet her when she was alive, right?
I did.
Well, yes.
Yes, I did a Hollywood reporter roundtable or something with her.
I told her how much I loved her.
Yeah, we would write her little notes and drop them off at her house.
She lived on our street.
She lived on our street.
We would drop off like a little basket.
We know she loved animals.
She said something funny about how she doesn't want to see pictures of our kids.
It was before, right when everybody went into lockdown,
we wrote a note just telling her how much we loved her
and what she meant to us growing up.
And we weren't like crazy stalkers.
We just had moved in recently.
We're crazy neighbors.
So we don't live somewhere else.
No, we're like very close to you and crazy.
And we're watching you and we know where you live.
And I said, you know, we have two little boys and two dogs.
And we, you know, walk them on the street all the time.
So let us know if you need anything because we're, you know,
I'm going to the grocery store or whatever.
And left our phone numbers and she called me one day.
My phone rang and it was this tiny little voice.
And she said, hello, is this Caitlin or Rob?
I said, it was Caitlin.
And she said, she thanked us for the stuff.
And she, she said, will you do me a favor and hug your little boys for me.
And I said, of course, thank you.
And she said, can you actually do something that's even more important
than that for me?
And I said, yes, whatever.
She said, can you pet your dogs for me?
I was like, oh, still got it.
Still got it.
Yeah, I love her.
That would be, I feel like a moment.
I don't know if you do this, but sometimes I think back to like,
if I could get in a time machine and go back to myself when I was little
and be like, Hey, there's something that's going to happen to you one day.
Like while you're watching golden girls.
Oh God, that would have blown my mind.
Yeah, connect those dots.
Like, what do you mean?
I'm going to meet, I'm going to meet the character.
She's not, she's not real.
I'm going to be in that house there on the TV.
Yeah.
All right.
Who would win in a fight?
Poppins or special agent Jack Bauer?
Special agent Jack Bauer.
Yeah.
Cats are going to win.
Ruthless.
Yeah.
I mean.
Cats are ruthless.
It could be like a draw because like Poppins is pretty indestructible.
But if, but special agent Jack Bauer would pop that other eye out of that
Poppins socket and I was like blind.
Yeah.
I think so.
I think so.
The cat's going to win.
Although.
Yeah.
Didn't he get blown to safety?
He got blown to safety.
Yeah.
He's fine.
The cat's going to be just fine.
Yeah.
Warned to pull a gasoline.
There's a couple of questions, Charlie, about your shirts on the show,
specifically the San Juan Islands one and some maroon wrestling shirt you have
that is like people wrestling shirt.
I think.
Well, you know, I think those were just like, you know, the wardrobe
department says, okay, my character probably shops at a thrift store and goes
and or goodwill or or fine shirts on the street.
I don't know.
And like, you know, and goes and gets a few things and there's no particular
relation to me.
Sorry for the answer.
I was just in a wardrobe fitting before this and every year our costume
designer tells me the exact same story, which is she's so excited that she gets
to shop for me because she actually gets to go shopping and get stuff.
And then every year she's like, Charlie, I just, I try and get him.
I want to get him some new stuff, but every year he's just like, no, I just
want to wear, I just want to wear the same stuff.
We don't need new shirts.
We've got those shirts.
I'm like, yeah, because.
That makes sense for my character.
Yeah.
You guys like, of course Dennis and Dee would want new stuff, you know, I
wear the same pants every single episode.
And we should talk to Sabrina.
You should maybe one day for the, for the podcast because those same shoes
you've had resold like 15 times, right?
Yep.
That's right.
Those boots.
I liked the episode where you put on the Charlie sleeping costume though, where
you were wearing long johns and like the t-shirt.
Is that the one?
Walk a mile in each other's shoes?
Yeah.
That was fun to see you wear his outfits and do the cat.
That was really fun.
That was a good one.
It is comfortable.
Now that was my shirt, the horse shirt.
A couple of the things, the army jacket, the horse shirt and the vans and the pink
bottoms.
And I think the stripe jacket with red stripes were just and the McGregor sweatshirt.
It was basically just really, that's your whole wardrobe.
Yeah.
It was just like how I was dressing in 2005 or four or three or whatever we started
shooting it.
Yeah.
You know, now I like, I can't wear like an army coat somewhere.
I'll feel like an idiot.
There's a fan that is asking if there are any Caitlin justice stories.
Oh, I don't think you're as concerned with justice as Rob.
Are you?
Yeah.
Have you, have you enacted any justice demanded any justice lately?
I get, I get kind of just to see sometimes.
Yeah.
It depends.
I don't like, mine's when the kids aren't in the car.
I don't like when, oh, something just happened.
I feel like I was driving.
Oh, yeah.
Well, the old woman, hold on.
She had a handicap thing, a placard and she was like laying on her horn at me because
I had merged.
I was like, and I rolled down my window and I was like, no, she wagging my finger.
No, no at her like that.
Cause I wasn't going to flip her off cause I felt rude.
She was old.
I don't know if I like run in and like, jump into using bats from the back of her car.
No.
Let's get into your psyche though.
When you've been with your husband and he snapped into justice mode.
Yeah.
What's going on with you?
Are you like, Oh sweet, my husband's snapping in justice.
Are you like, Oh dear God.
No, no, no.
Don't go in it.
Yeah.
Tell that.
What?
There've been a couple of times.
One that we don't, one that involved a physical altercation.
Okay.
That I was, yeah, the physical altercation.
There was one moment of justice where you were like, thank you.
That was sweet.
Well, we were courting.
And I was very dating.
We were dating.
And I was, yeah, it was, I was very impressed.
There was an actual assault.
There was, yeah, we were, we were under attack and Rob took care of business and I was like,
Oh God.
That was.
Vapors.
Vapors.
And we, it was not something I started.
No.
And he wasn't something you started.
And also there's a certain, there's a certain level.
Sometimes when he, I like when he uses his words.
You know what I mean?
I like when he has like a verbal altercation and like explains why he's right and they're
wrong.
And then he's like, okay, great.
And then like, he feels good about it.
And then it has a button on the end of it.
And then I'm like, okay, we can go.
Oh, as opposed to the physical alter, there's only been one.
I didn't love the, like the in and out hop and out.
You were not there for that.
No, I wasn't.
I didn't like that story.
That's fair.
Your children were involved.
Yeah.
I wasn't there to protect them.
Maybe that's why I don't like that story.
I did come in and start and I led with, I think I did something very good.
That was stupid.
Yeah.
And yet I wanted to get, and I got some insight and I learned, I learned some things.
I like to think that some of the creeps and listeners learned something.
He gets hot real fast.
Sometimes my thing is I just wish he would take, like think about it for a second.
Think about who's listening and maybe what the consequences are.
And then if he still feels like it's time to jump in, then go for it.
But usually if he would just think about it a little bit, it's probably worth it to
just let it go and move on.
The man in the Rolls Royce is trying to get his cheeseburgers before me.
Let me think about this.
It's irritating.
It's irritating.
It's irritating.
It's irritating.
It's irritating.
But women are emotional.
But we're the ones.
Yes.
We're the ones that fly.
I wouldn't say I'm emotional.
I'd say I'm quick to rage.
Yeah.
That's one emotion.
That's not true.
There's no, Glenn's quick to rage.
Yeah.
I don't think I'm quick to rage.
You can be quick to rage sometimes.
Really?
Yeah.
I'm scared.
People have to watch the videos for that moment.
Can you make it very clear to everybody?
Because there's nothing sadder than a 40, how old am I?
45-year-old man looking to get into physical altercations.
That has not happened.
It's not looking to get into a physical altercation.
And the last time that happened was almost 20 years ago.
No.
Yeah.
We were in our, yeah.
You don't run as hot as you used to.
Like when we were younger, things would make you mad.
You don't have quite the testosterone that used to be coursing through you.
It's pretty good.
We test it.
We test it.
It's pretty high.
It's pretty high.
It's very high.
It's pretty high.
And on this printout, it was in red.
That's how high it was.
Listen, she feeds me steak.
I'm dry.
I'm also significantly younger there.
God damn it.
All right.
That's so sad.
You know what I mean?
I'm going to test you like Jose can say come here.
Those numbers were very high.
Very high.
It seems spiked.
It seems spiked.
Yeah.
This might feed into this next question, which is just simply why Rob?
Oh yeah.
Good question.
Why Rob?
After all that.
After all that.
Oh sorry.
That's not for you.
It's for Rob.
Why Rob?
Why Rob?
Oh yeah.
There's a comma.
I'm so sorry.
Oh man.
He skipped it.
Yeah.
I didn't really think twice about him in the audition.
Just thought everybody was funny and nice.
Thank you.
Yeah.
Yeah, I really can't.
Yeah.
Then cute.
Then we started working and he just was so good at his job and had never done this job before.
And I had been on shows before and recognized how hard it was to run a show.
Usually it was like adult men running shows.
I would like to say or women, but I don't think that I knew any female show runners.
Not in as many as 2005.
No.
But he just was very in charge, but also very kind and very funny and just knew what he wanted
and very level headed and was just a very good boss and I just was very attracted to that.
I appreciate that you said I was level headed because now I would like for the audience to not believe that I am.
If you talk to any of our crew, your employees, they will talk about how you are the best boss they've ever had.
That is very true.
I hear it all the time.
Sometimes people take me aside to tell me that you're the best boss that they've ever had.
That's nice for you.
Which is a horrific waste of my time.
I'd say it's nice for you to hear it, you know, just so you can have a little bit of perspective.
I see it.
I'm on set too.
Just if you're out there and you're looking around at some of the other guys that are out there.
I'm looking around.
I know you are.
I know you are.
They're looking back.
They're looking back.
We get all the emails.
We're making eye contact.
We're making eye contact.
But it's a little up is what I'm thinking.
My eye line is a little up more than your eye line.
I got that.
Hey listen, if that's the case, just talk to a crew member and they'll set you straight.
That's right.
And Rob, why Caitlin?
Caitlin, we might as well complete the...
I don't think it's...
I don't think anybody would need to hear me explain why based on what they already know.
It took me a while though.
I really had to work at you.
You did.
Yeah.
She pursued me like a jungle cat.
She really put it out there.
Yeah.
I was confused as to why I wasn't getting the response that I was expecting.
It was confusing to me.
I was a professional.
It was very attractive.
I recognized the power dynamic.
She's like, I'm really slow.
I said, is this inappropriate?
Yeah.
I'm slowing it with you.
You got caught.
What's going on?
You should thank me for this.
Wake up buddy.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I thought, wow, this is...
This is irresponsible.
Why are we inappropriate?
It's wildly inappropriate.
What's fun about it though?
Short.
Short.
Yeah.
Yeah.
It just made me burn brighter.
Yeah.
Now we're hearing all sorts of stories about office environments in Hollywood.
Yeah.
People getting fired.
Where people are just burning real hot.
Real hot in those casting room couches and whatnot.
And I wanted to make sure I was not a part of that.
I was already cast.
There was nothing I could give you.
So there was no actual power.
I was like, you were in a position of power.
Show me.
I don't like it.
Just to be clear, no sexual harassment falling in love with someone that you work with.
Even if you're their boss and they're below you, sexual harassment would come in.
Either of you said no.
And then the other one tormented you at work.
Well, hold on a second.
Because that is exactly what happened.
That's not...
Well, okay.
Did I not rebuff your advances?
It's only harassment if it doesn't lead to marriage and children.
That's right.
Fair.
Let's just leave it at that.
But there was a period of time in which I very clearly said both verbally and with my...
What's that called?
Penis.
No.
No.
No.
No.
Non-verbal.
I was both verbal and non-verbal body language.
This is a metaphor.
I don't know.
What's he talking about?
I said no.
We definitely, definitely made out after a Fox party one time.
And there was no no being thrown around.
That was the first time.
Prior to that.
How many times?
No.
Not a one.
The first time.
That's why I was like, oh, okay.
Well, this is reciprocal.
And then you were like, oh, you got a boyfriend.
I was like, wow, that I should probably address.
I think Meg can cut this, but I want my friends to know the truth.
Yeah.
You advanced on me a number of times.
It happened at Charlie's house.
Your larger frame.
It happened at Charlie's house.
We were at Charlie's house.
I don't want to be implicated.
I think I was living there.
I brought my friend from Oregon over.
We were playing board games.
You were living at my place season one?
Or we were just there hanging out.
Exactly what it was.
You were out by then?
I think I got ready by then.
Yeah, you finally got me out of there.
You know what it was?
It's that I really, I was really feeling like, oh, I'm like falling in love with this person.
And I was trying not to and I was very professional at work.
And then the problem was then we'd find ourselves at events.
There would be alcohol.
You'd make me nervous.
So I would drink because then I felt a little better and then I'd act like a fool.
I would wake up and beat myself up for a very long time.
Yeah.
And then the whole thing would happen again.
That went on for a while.
And then I stopped.
I got the message.
I stopped and then Charlie's wedding happened.
That's where you guys really started.
That was a certain point.
New Orleans, you know.
What are you going to do?
Mardi Gras.
It's like Mardi Gras.
At a certain point you can only be respectful of the situation for so long.
You have a woman this beautiful, this talented.
Here we go.
This kind.
That's what you were looking for.
Go on.
There we go.
We got there.
Now we're in.
And then when did the candle go out?
Well, you've been married for a long time.
As have you, Megan, anybody out there, the Creeps and Losers, they know that the candle goes out all the time.
And then you got to relight it.
And then it goes out.
Then you got to relight it.
Marriage is hard.
I think people look at us maybe and they're like, oh, that seems like a functional relationship.
And it is most of the time, but then it's not.
And we've had really rocky times.
Yeah, nobody has a smooth.
But we only see the Instagram version of things.
Yes.
And we have had a very difficult rocky road from time to time.
And we always come back.
I didn't think it was that difficult.
Geez.
I mean, you know, she's been annoying me for years and years.
No, yeah, they're definitely been ups and downs.
But the thing is where we're good friends and we, I feel like we respect each other.
So that's good.
That's what you need.
All right.
That's a good question.
I mean, oh, look, it's hard to say because I don't write all the music and whatnot like
these guys do.
So the amount of effort and energy and time that goes into writing those songs for, say,
night man, come at that was like rehearsals and or even the, um, where the gang turns
black.
Yeah.
But like it's challenging.
It's challenging.
It's challenging.
It's challenging.
It's challenging.
It's challenging.
It's challenging.
It's challenging.
It's challenging where the gang turns black.
Yeah.
But like it challenging, like maybe like, like difficulty, like the underwater stuff was
difficult.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
With the boat.
That goes to hell.
That's saying.
Yeah.
I'm going down.
I'm going down.
I'm going down.
I'm going down.
I'm going down.
I'm going down.
I'm going down.
I'm going down.
I'm going down.
Whatever.
I just remember I was, I'm not a water person and that was terrifying.
And then went and I think it's the last shot.
I know it was the last shot because Danny was like, I'm done.
Um, it was time for my time to go up and I went out and kicked up as fast as I could,
but I was wearing heels.
I kicked Danny with my heel on the top of his world.
Yeah.
And then he came up and just got right out of the water and went, right to his trailer
went home.
I was like, I thought so bad.
Yeah, you know what's interesting,
I will say that just talking about that story
from the other day, the writing process
is by far the hardest and it takes the most out of us.
I think production is just really, really,
mostly a ton of fun.
I don't know that there are episodes.
So in terms of like what was the hardest episode to make,
it actually would be something that we would do.
Our style of making something isn't like so technically
precise that we're like, it took us forever to nail that one.
Even the Charlie Work one, which was a one or like,
Yeah.
I don't know.
Like, Shackman had really choreographed it so well
and Adam Scalina on the camera got it so well.
I'd memorized the stuff.
So I was kind of, we did like five takes
and maybe take two is the one like.
So like one episode that people don't realize
that was not a ton of fun to shoot.
And I remember this being the case
because I remember how fun it was to write.
It came together very, very quickly to break and write.
And I remember reading it and we were like,
oh, we're gonna have so much fun shooting this.
And then it was absolutely miserable shooting it
was the Charlie McDonough episode.
You know, that's funny.
I was thinking that I remember,
I totally remember like in that room,
I guess one floor down or was it one floor down?
On the third floor.
Yeah.
And then like just the fun of like coming up
with like a flip coin at the end.
But yeah, what was it?
It was a continuity thing, right?
Like it was, it was like.
Yes.
And because we were all in every shot of every scene
and we were screaming through most of it.
It was just screaming.
Screaming, that's what it was.
It was like, and the, what's the, what's that war dance?
Oh, the Maori war dance.
Yeah.
Which actually, would you like really doing it?
It's so funny to watch.
If you don't grow up doing that as a part of your culture.
That takes a lot out of you.
It takes a lot out of you.
I just remember like.
That's one out of them too.
Well, that's why it was the warriors that were doing it.
It was not the actors.
The warrior was kind of a dance.
It's not a clown's dance.
This is a warrior's dance.
I never thought about that.
Cause yeah, obviously you all are in every single scene.
Yes.
So much so that when we were finished shooting it,
I was like, oh, that sucked.
Like that's going to be bad.
Cause usually if we're not having fun with it,
it's going to not be great.
And then we saw it in post and we were like, oh yeah.
Gentlemen. Suck my dick.
What about the one where you were covered with blood from head to toe?
I remember that day for you and I'm feeling so bad.
That was one of my hardest days that ended in tears.
Oh, I definitely have a video from that, from that day.
I have a video from that day that I shot on a flip phone.
And that was so long ago, right?
And it was a video of you and you just kept saying,
I don't like it. I don't like it.
I don't like it.
I'm not having fun.
And I was just like, I gotta put this because I think she's,
I'm not sure if she's joking or not.
And you're like, I'm not joking.
I don't like it.
I don't like it.
I'm not. And they're like, okay, Katelyn,
you know, get down on the blood and you're like, I don't like it.
I don't like it.
I don't like it. I don't want to do it anymore.
But I just never want to know. I don't like it.
I gotta find that video.
And also this was late at night and I'd been in that blood all day.
You had been in that blood for hours and hours and hours.
And the thing is, it's not just sticky and gross.
It starts to dry and every move you make,
your hair is being ripped out of your body.
So whether it's your arm or God forbid, I look down,
like all the hair is ripping out of the back of my neck.
And then I had to lay down.
And I'm sure they brushed the ground,
but I had pebbles and rocks stuck all over my body.
It just was, it just was very, I mean, I'm not going to complain.
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That'll take at least a month of writing 22 on dates
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No, not that.
Don't take forever.
That it is now 23 and we're officially in the Jordan year?
It's not quite where I was going, no.
I was going to say that having 2022 in the books
means your books are in the books.
And now you have to pay taxes on them.
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We could counter this with what episode
do you have the best memories from,
which is another question that people have.
Anyone's you remember being super fun?
I mean, they're all so fun.
I mean, that's okay.
The Waterpark episode was so fun.
So fun because each storyline was separate.
So we had a lot of time
where we were either on camera
or a lot of time behind the monitors,
but also everything that we shot inside that, the tube.
The ski one was fun to shoot
because we got to go to the mammoth and kind of party.
It was my birthday.
I got so drunk the night before.
I was so hungover.
We have a video of that too,
where you guys were recording me.
We got into one of those, what are they called?
The gondolas.
And we were going up to the top of the mountain.
And I was like, oh, I am.
I was like, I'm gonna throw up.
I'm gonna throw up.
Everybody's laughing at me.
Because he doesn't drink that.
But he never gets that drunk.
And he's never that hungover.
I was established on the podcast
that he drinks all the time.
No, I drink all the time, but I never get that drunk.
That drunk, or he certainly doesn't get hungover.
That's true, because it hit him hard.
And I was like, oh my God,
I'm definitely gonna throw up.
And of course my friends are all laughing at me
as they should, as they should.
And we're going up the gondolin.
Yeah, maybe it was you recording it.
And you're like, how's it going, man?
I'm like, I'm definitely gonna puke.
And we had, you couldn't open the window, I guess.
So I was like, if I throw up,
I'm gonna throw up all over you.
Everybody here.
Oh, that would make me go.
I don't know.
It's also altitude.
We drove, we went up that day.
It was his birthday.
And then woke up the next morning and had to shoot.
And the altitude snuck up on you.
Well, that's also when shooting is like camp, you know,
where you're like, oh, like the work is done.
Now we get to sort of play and be funny.
And we're in a cool place.
And you know, it's a good adventure.
It's like being at a destination wedding
or an out-of-town wedding where you're like in a fun place.
Yes.
Yeah.
And you always make the classmates
that you're going too hard the first night
because you're so excited about it.
I think that ski trip was the last time
I was sick from alcohol.
Yeah, I think so.
And that was...
Oh, screw you, man.
That's crazy, really?
I think so.
And that was like seven years ago.
But...
Oh, no.
Oh, no.
No.
Oh, no, no, right.
All your friends from Philadelphia came out.
They all stayed with us.
Oh, boy.
So I...
Sometimes I truly believe like, oh, I can drink.
I drink, you know, I'm not bragging about it,
but like I can drink a ton of alcohol and still be okay.
Then you hang out with those kind of guys,
like that Philly crew and their wives.
Yes.
And they can drink for days.
But a lot of them, I will say, are also like 6'3", 220.
Like, they're big fellas.
They're huge.
And I try to keep up with them.
And that is...
They came back from golfing.
It's nice to be like, they like kicked you
like a little pet or something in high school.
Like, those guys are giants.
Yeah, they're huge.
Yeah.
They're huge.
They went all golfing and then rolled into your house.
Oh, they rolled into our house.
And the tallest one, Mike Gallagher, came in first.
And I was like, hey, how was it?
And he came over to me and he bent down
and they all kissed me on the cheek.
He like came in for this kiss and it kind of came in
at a weird angle and he got my neck.
And he was kissing my neck and he goes, I gotta warn you,
those guys are so drunk.
I was like, oh, fuck.
You're the sober represent.
Y'all know they sent you in?
Yeah.
Yeah.
And then it got...
I had to drive.
Nobody drives.
Nobody drives.
No, no, no, no, no, right there.
No, they had a passenger van.
We had a passenger van for the whole weekend.
We went to an Eagles game in LA Coliseum at night.
It was a night game.
So...
Yeah.
Is this what gave you ulcers?
Yeah.
Well, so, yeah, that...
When I woke up the day after that,
it was three days of straight drinking and I was like, I can't.
I don't...
I'm done.
I'm done.
Balance something between that and being in the office,
staring out the windows into space
because you've blasted your brains with work.
Like, isn't there just like a middle ground to all of this?
There's a middle...
There's a certain personality that has a hard time finding
that middle ground.
Yeah.
I find the middle ground boring as fuck.
I know you do.
Let's go up and down and up and down, right?
Come on, why not?
The pinball machine.
I'm never down for very long.
Yeah, just the other night.
Just the other night.
I was a little scary.
But it's scary because I'm very rarely...
That's right.
And then I woke up in the morning at like 5.30,
you were out of bed and I was like, oh, no.
Also, he didn't sleep.
But then when I saw you in the morning, you were back.
Yeah.
I feel like it's always just the feeling of like,
oh, it's never going to come together.
We're never going to get it we're a million miles away.
And then always with story breaking and stuff,
it just changes like you find one little thing.
Totally.
And then all of a sudden you love it.
Your confidence shoots up about it.
Every year I remind him that every year he does this
at this time during this particular process.
And it's because you guys care so much.
And I'm, as the nonwriter in the room,
I'm incredibly grateful that you bend over backwards
and feel that way about it.
Because it's what makes you keep at it
until it's at its best.
Somebody has asked if we can explain what we mean
when we say something is broad.
Great question.
I've said that on the podcast before,
that it felt a little too broad.
And so they've asked if you can clarify what that means.
I guess that's just a way of saying a joke is just
beyond believable, right?
So that whatever the joke is, either the reality
of the event that's happening or the reality of the person
caring about what it is that they're doing
is just past what we think we can get away with.
So acting can be broad too.
And someone's doing something that's a little,
like you can be big, but then if there's something
that for whatever reason makes you cross over
into like cartoon character land, then it's broad.
Don't you think it's just the belief of like the intention,
right?
So you're like, oh, I believe behaving this way
is either a real human reaction or really what they want.
But like some people like can get away with it.
Like, like, well, Farrell can do something gigantic.
And you're like, you absolutely 100% believe
his character in elf or whatever is going to behave
like that every step of the way.
Like you've obviously done lots of things on the show.
Like you being covered in blood from head to toe
could be really broad.
But because you're so miserable,
your character is so miserable in that situation
because we understand that you want to be in this movie
so badly that you would like do this thing.
And I'm willing to go to those ranks.
That you're willing and then you're a dead body
that's always like trying to get your face in the shot and stuff.
Like you just buy that motivation.
So the broadness of being covered head to toe like works.
Yeah, and broad might not always necessarily be a bad thing.
It just depends on your taste.
Yeah, it's an imaginary subjective line, right?
Because one of the things we always strive for in the show,
I think we don't always hit this mark,
but that the characters themselves
can do all sorts of crazy things.
And we've talked about this in the podcast before,
but it bears repeating.
As long as they believe, as long as we believe
that the characters believe that what they're doing
is going to get them what they want, then we can buy it.
And then in terms of the world itself,
we try not to populate the normal world
or the real world with silly broad ideas.
Yeah.
Every once in a while, we'll have McPoils or Artemis
or the moms and we'll populate our characters that way.
But we still live in the real world.
And once we get outside of that,
that's when things start to get a little wacky.
You know, it kind of is like,
we always have a grounded person for the heightened person.
And, you know, when we get into scenes
with our moms or Uncle Jack or whoever.
We become that.
We become that.
It shifts.
And suddenly we're like, oh, come on, man.
You know, we're reacting to someone in a way.
And then other times it's us against,
like someone who works at a bank or something.
I wonder if, traditionally, the word broad
in our business would mean,
if it has something as broad appeal,
it means that it appeals to a wide audience.
I wonder if people specifically in comedy took that
and then used it as a pejorative,
meaning if you can appeal to a broad audience,
then you're not being specific and nuanced
and it's not targeted.
And then it's comedy, quote unquote,
for everybody, which is impossible.
You know what I mean?
Whereas like studio executives would say broad appeal
is actually a good thing.
You have as many people enjoying your thing as possible.
And I could see comedians being like, fuck that.
Yeah, maybe.
I mean, but isn't like the most universal comedy,
like slapstick comedy, physical comedy,
is like because you don't need language for it,
everybody can watch a Charlie Chaplin movie
and like understand what's going on.
But those tend to be like broad.
But then like there is something,
there's a reason why it appeals to so many people
because there's something primal and universal
about watching that thing
and immediately understanding why it's funny.
Yeah.
So.
Right.
But you wouldn't talk about a Charlie Chaplin movie.
If you were to say it's broad,
it wouldn't be in a negative light, right?
Sometimes there's a broad in it.
There's a broad.
Yeah.
She didn't talk, though.
So she didn't talk.
Well, let him talk.
Let him talk.
So let's go.
That's best.
That's best.
Here's one which I would like to know.
Caitlin, what's your favorite swear word?
I like stuff like, I don't know if I like a favorite swear word.
D's favorite word would be Goddammit.
The way you deliver it is,
I arguably the best of any of the characters in the show.
Thanks.
Thank you.
I try to mix it up.
I don't know.
I like when people call people like a buffoon
or something silly is funnier to me than a swear word.
But I'm also living in a household of preteens
who think that swearing is really fun
and I'm just finding it annoying.
Whenever they're learning that.
Yeah, I think you guys, it's not funny.
Okay.
And like when you swear all the time,
it's not necessarily funny.
And it was staring at you.
Isn't that how you guys bought this house?
Well, Caitlin, thank you for coming in.
Yeah, thanks for coming in and helping us get some funnies out.
And can't wait to start shooting with you.
It's going to be very exciting.
Next Wednesday, next Wednesday.
Oh, by the time this podcast comes out, comes out.
Yeah, on Monday, it'll be two more days until shooting.
It's exciting.
Very excited.