The Always Sunny Podcast - The D.E.N.N.I.S. System (with special guest, Jill Latiano Howerton!)
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Do the hugs bet
Already neglecting her by not even standing up to hide your life. Oh, man, the dentist is so hard in the system.
Yeah, he is.
Yeah.
By the way, just so you know, just so you're aware.
Okay.
This is all part of the show.
So the show's happening right now.
Yeah, I know.
Okay, I don't know.
I don't know.
We're always watching.
I watched the new ones like,
I was like, oh, they're like starting.
Oh, well, no, we were talking about schedule and stuff.
That's not going in.
Wow.
You never know when I start the podcast.
I'll probably start when Charlie was playing this morning when I walked in.
Cool shirt, Jill.
Thanks, Glenn.
Thanks, Floyd.
Now, between the two of you, the amount of band shirts that you own.
Oh, yeah.
Now, do you guys do buy them off people on the side of the highway?
Or do you?
Is it online?
It's not hard to find band shirts.
Yeah, it's true.
It's not going to be next to the new one.
To be fair, I think this might be my only band shirt.
Right?
No, you've got that bowie shirt.
Oh, I have that bowie one.
OK, I have two.
Nice. Do you have as many opinions on t-shirts as Glendas and the arms
and how long have I been wearing my t-shirt? I don't have as many opinions as Gl-shirts as Glendos and the arms and how long. Do you have as many opinions as Glendos in general?
Yeah, that would be quite a feat.
An opinionated man.
Any household can only have so many opinions.
And I imagine you gobble up most.
This is true.
Gobble up most of the opinion time.
Let's give our listeners and our creeps a proper introduction of Jill. Should
we talk about your character first, the fact that you're married, where do we begin?
I think, well, first of all, I just want to say, I think it's like, I mean, you know,
the creeps and the listeners, they've seen a lot of Mary Lisbeth and
Caitlin as actors, but also they've seen them on the podcast.
They have some idea of how we interact with Caitlin and Mary Lisbeth.
I don't think anybody really has any idea how we interact with Jill Lattiano Howard.
It's true.
Yeah, this is going to be more of a mystery.
A mystery life.
But I will say, Glenn has brought you up
a lot in the most glowing and loving terms.
So there are a little bit we cut out.
Yeah.
We don't ever edit it into the other.
So it's too late to get married.
We got to get that out.
But we're all talking about the Dennis system.
Yeah, we're very happy to have you join us for
this episode, the Dennis system, which is a fan favorite. You play such a crucial part in it.
Yeah, it's funny. We laugh all the time because we cannot post a photo of ourselves without all
of the comments or 99% of the comments. We're like, oh, the Dennis system really works.
You forgot to separate entirely. You forgot to separate entirely. It's like, oh, the dentist is so early. It is just really work too. You forgot to separate entirely.
You forgot to separate entirely.
It's like, hey guys, okay.
So if any of you are the ones that making those comments,
any creeps and listeners that are listening right now,
I get it.
I totally get it.
We get it.
We get it.
We get it.
I understand why you're doing it.
But stop.
Only, but not because, not because we're offended by it
or anything like that.
Just stop because it's like getting old.
You know what I mean?
It's like we get it.
We get it.
You did it.
You can't make the same joke over time.
And do they not see how many other people are making the same joke?
I get a lot of like, oh, look at the way Trisha's letting you hang around this week or whatever.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, you get that.
Separate entirely from our characters, please
I mean it's been yeah, just go back to commenting on Glenn's blurry red eyes
Alex don't it every so it was season oh, yes, okay, so thanks Charlie
Strasfer, we have a bit of
Strasfer, give us some structure
The Dennis system is season five episode 10 Thanks Charlie Strasfer. Take us back. We have a bit of stress. Take us back, Mike. Let's give us some structure.
The Dennis system is season five episode 10.
It aired on November 19th, 2009, and I've written down here that I believe you two were
married on September 8th, 2009.
So this was shot before or after you got married to your memory.
It was shot before we got married, but then it aired after.
And we got married on September 5th. I don't know where
Oh, sorry, but it's like a pd on they've messed it up. We could be just doesn't September 5th September 5th
Um, so you weren't married yet and now we're engaged. It could have gone wrong. It could have been like I
I still could have gotten out. Yeah, you had a one. No, there'd be like, you know, I've worked with you on set and just I see now
I see now the man that you really are,
and I don't think I like it.
Now, we had Martin Rozel in the podcast,
and we were talking about the Dennis system,
which was, they penned that one.
They wrote it with David Hornsby.
And it was directed by Randall Einhorn.
Uh-huh.
We'll have on at some point.
Now, recollections of things, you're special.
You can't remember the special 10 words for how to remember things. Were you do you
remember reading the script for the first time or did Glenn kind of pitch it to you?
I think Glenn probably pitched it to me. I don't remember. I don't remember reading it for the first time. I don't, if I'm gonna pitch it to you and say, Hey, Glenn probably pitched it to me. I don't remember, I don't remember reading it
for the first time.
I don't, if I'm being honest.
Is Joe close enough to the mic, guys?
Yeah, I believe so, I'd be told.
Oh, testing, testing, one, two, three.
Rob likes to suck on it and have it fully in his mouth.
This one?
Oh, he's had a tie.
He's torn through all the way.
Is that better?
We have to change him out, though.
That's probably clean.
Right, is that better?
Yeah, Paul good.
Where were we?
I don't remember reading the script for the first time.
I don't.
I remember my general recollection.
Very memorable.
Well, I just remember thinking it's hilarious and insane
and that it was going
to be super fun to work together.
Well we caught and we caught Jill at a time where she was still acting.
Yes.
Jill is no longer acting.
No, I'm retired.
She retired from her.
I'm producing quite a bit though.
Yes.
Provesing a lot of great documentaries.
Yes, thank you.
I mean, yeah, the episode, I mean, Glenn and I watched it last night.
I was just like, oh my God, this is so fucked up.
Have you had you not watched it since it aired?
I don't think so.
No, maybe I caught it once or twice, I don't know,
but not fully sat down to watch it.
I don't know.
I don't love watching myself.
I don't know.
Some people are like that.
It's kind of weird.
And so.
I think most people don't.
There's an uncomfortable factor there.
But when we watched it, I was just like, oh my god.
Well, first of all, she was like, I have a look so young.
I did.
I was like, look, I'm sure you've been young.
We were.
Well, I feel like, it's been like, you also put like a dreamy filter
on the sort of flash, but it felt like when you did the moments,
there was like a little bit of like a,
a little bit of a thing.
I'm sure. I'm sure.
Maybe, maybe.
Yeah.
It was fun.
You look awful young sitting here in front of me now, so.
Thanks, Megan.
Yeah.
It's been about 14 years, I think.
It has been 14 years.
It's been 14 years?
Yeah.
We did that episode.
Almost exactly 14 years since we shot.
It's not crazy.
Yeah.
It's depressing.
Yeah.
But I mean, it's funny, but it's just so crazy.
And it made me remember that at that time, like when I was, when we were just dating before
married and people, you know, the show was still young at that point.
And they'd say, oh, what does your boyfriend do?
And I'm like, oh, he's an actor.
Oh, is he on anything I would know?
I don't know.
Do you know the show?
It's always sunny in Philadelphia.
I'm like, yeah, which one is he?
And I'm like, hmm.
I'm like, he's, I feel like the show? It's always Sunny and Philadelphia. I'm like, yeah, oh yeah, which one is he? And I'm like, mm, I'm all he's the little psychopath,
vain asshole.
But I swear he's not like that in real life.
You know, because he does it so well
that I felt like I'd have to explain.
Like I promise you he's just a really good actor.
That's not who he is.
There have to be people out there that wonder
why such a wonderful person as yourself would be married to such a horrible man.
Not being able to fully separate themselves from my character or separate the out of fact
that I could be a different person, you know, or that I could present in public as a different
person than my character, but there's gotta be a down like you see the guy, you know what
I mean? But like, I don't, I mean,
we couldn't have been together for that long
if I was anywhere, anything.
It was just the system is so strong.
Yeah, the math is so quick.
And like, yeah.
You know, do you imagine the brain power it takes
on my part to keep the system going for that long?
Well, for that one,
that's what I've always thought about like self-help books
when it comes to dating
is that a lot of them I feel, like,
especially geared towards women, give you a sort of,
like I remember I once got this one called
Why Men Love Bitches.
And it was a,
Oh, that's sent, I heard some,
I heard some cacoles.
Wow.
But it was all about how you need to treat him badly
at the beginning so that he'll chase you.
But my thought is always, okay, so let's say that this system is like effective.
At what point do you rip off the mask and go? Actually it's me I'm really clingy and dependent.
I really should forget about that. Yeah.
Oh, I don't know what you do.
I don't know the mask is deteriorating.
You know, I don't know the rip off.
It just slowly dissolves.
It dissolves away.
It's like those stitches you get that dissolve into the skin.
Yeah, that's it.
So maybe that was what happened.
It dissolved so slowly that you didn't
imperceptively.
You didn't know this.
Yeah, yeah, by that time it was too late.
I don't really remember that episode getting pitched.
I guess we were talking about those books,
those systems for picking up women.
Yeah, I have a memory of writing out the, us writing out the dentist
system on the board in the offices where we were writing season four. Yes, I feel like
I can remember the letters on the board and trying to come up with. I remember being
in the background. I remember being in the background. That we were in in season four
when that acronym, when we first came up with the acronym and what it all meant.
But I don't remember why we weren't able to complete the episode.
Well, maybe we just didn't have a story for it yet, right?
Yeah, we knew, okay, this is a funny concept.
Sometimes that's how it goes.
But we didn't have the right actress for the Dennis.
Yes, we had no writing, too.
Guys, we're even engaged, we're simply dating.
We didn't know if it was gonna last.
We were engaged.
We were engaged for a year and a half.
Wow.
Yeah.
What was the hesitation?
There was.
There was, you know what it was?
It was Caitlin and Robert getting married that year,
like with four other friends of our gay marriage.
So many other friends getting married.
So we're like, we got to wait until the next year.
And then I liked the weather in September.
And so we're like, we're gonna wait.
We knew our wedding was gonna be absolutely amazing.
And we just didn't wanna, you know.
We had a good time.
We don't wanna step in all year long.
Maybe it's a good time.
It was a good time.
It was a good time for me,
because I would really cut loose at those weddings.
You know, I was letting Rick and I missed that.
Yeah.
Yeah, it was a good one.
But yeah, so I do remember us coming,
and then I guess we finally came up
with what the whole story was
when we were breaking season five, which was at Fox, because season four, we were in Culver City.
That's great.
Yeah, my whole visual image of the writing of that episode is in the Culver City offices.
So interesting, right?
Yes, exactly.
So you do remember it in the Culver City offices.
Yes, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Funny how like that's how I remember things
by the space we were in.
Totally, no, I mean, it totally makes sense, yeah.
Yeah, yeah, which is why like five through ten
or such a blur because we were in those Fox offices forever.
Yeah, yeah, does that does become a little bit
of a blur, five less so because it was our first year.-hmm there so like this season in particular like really sticks in my memory because it was the first year
We were at on the Fox lot and I remember and who pooped the bed that that's from this season right? No, that was for last
That was for that was for that's so weird because my memory of you writing all that stuff out on the board
That's in those color city offices. That wasn't the covers city offices. All right.
Anyway, back to you Jill.
What else?
What else?
When did you guys meet?
How did this happen?
I remember you hanging around the Venice house
that Robin Glenn lived in.
Yes.
And every now and then they would have a party.
And I remember you were in the mix.
That's where we met.
Wait, was Charlie at that party?
I think he was. I think he might have been. I don't know, because I didn't know you yet. That's where we met. Wait, was Charlie at that party? I think he was. I think he might have been.
Well, I don't know because I didn't know you yet. That's why.
It's not that you're not memorable. It's just that I don't know. Maybe you're not.
I remember someone else. There was a lot of people there. Well, the gravity of Glenn was so strong that you
You only had eyes for him plus I was taken So we have, we had a mutual friend.
We have a mutual friend, yeah, a Martinez, who
Glen went to college with and who I became like quick friends
with when I moved to LA.
And she brought me to their house party.
I don't know if you want to say the beginnings of that.
Glen, kind of asked, you want to tell your part?
Well, yeah, I've been single at that point.
And for, I don't know, maybe two and a half,
three years or something like that.
And, yeah, and I were good friends,
and I was like, hey, you know, you got any,
got any cute friends you want to invite over?
I don't really like it.
Anybody you think I would like, you know?
Cause we knew each other pretty well,
and she knew, I guess, maybe what I was into
as far as like what I was looking for.
And she was like, you know, it's funny you bring that up. I guess, but maybe what I was into as far as like what I was looking for.
And she was like, you know, it's funny you bring that up.
There is this one person.
And then she described to me the purr, and I was like, oh, tell me, what's her name?
I did not sound good on paper.
Her name is Jill.
And to me, well, and sorry, I said it sound amazing.
It sound, yeah.
But then in other ways, I was like, ooh, I didn't like it.
You'll get it when he says it.
She was like her name's Jill.
Strike one.
Strike one.
I hate James Hills.
Well, my name's Glenn and Jill,
she needs to have a cooler name.
I said, carry the weight.
To balance the length of it all.
But no, and she was like, she's,
she's, she just moved here from New York.
She's a model, she's a dancer, you know, and now she's acting as well, you know what I mean?
And I was like, and I was like, three things.
I was like, a model and a dancer.
I'm like, okay, so she's, she's probably attract, physically attractive, but like is she
going to be-
She did act too.
She did, actually. She did, she did.
That was a small stint.
But on paper I get how kind of like,
do she I could have sounded or...
I was just like...
Or there's preconceived notions of girls that, you know,
are in those businesses sometimes.
But I knew that because you were friends with Yada,
and how much I like Yadaada and I trusted Yada's taste
in human beings.
I was like, okay, well, she was pretty decent.
Now, did you wait, sorry, did you get Glenn's breakdown?
Were you also aware of this setup was happening?
Yes, yes, yes, yes.
How was he pitched to you?
He was pitched to me.
He was pitched to me.
You know what happened is I think we were in the car
with another friend and they were talking about the show and it was only season two so I hadn't heard of the show yet.
And yeah, I don't even know if season two had aired, maybe it had.
Oh, it had.
Okay, but still very early.
And they were talking about the show and talking about the guys on the show and then they
were talking about Glenn, like, oh, he's cute and I was like, what is the show?
Who is this person?
And I, on Glenn, had just got out of a five-year relationship.
So I was kind of ready to have fun and not
looking for something super serious.
But also, I was single.
I just moved to LA.
So she told me about him.
I probably looked him up.
I'm like, OK, all right.
Let's meet this guy.
Yeah, so on paper, I might not have looked that good either,
then. I mean, no, all right, let's meet this guy. Yeah, so on paper, I might not have looked that good either then.
I mean, you looked like a successful actor.
He was a guy.
He was renting a pretty big house.
He was a three story. No, no apartment, but it was a big apartment,
and it was on the top floor of a very,
of a two-story building or whatever, or three-story building.
So you and Rob had the top floor of that.
We had, yeah.
And Jikuzi on the roof.
Where did Jikuzi on the roof?
It was pretty bachelor-patti.
It was very, very, very good.
Yeah, you got taken back to that apartment
with a Jikuzi on the roof, and we were like,
well, I guess you were in the place you were like, well, this were, I guess, you were in the place you were like, well,
this isn't gonna be a long-term thing.
Yeah, like, yeah, like, yeah.
Like, I was going to go with party work.
It's like, jacuzzi on the roof is not a red flag.
That age, jacuzzi is like, you recorded jacuzzi.
You were like, wow.
How did you pay for the work?
How did you get it on the roof?
How did you get it on the roof?
You did it on the roof.
By the way, we cramed it on the roof.
We cramed it onto the roof.
If anyone's interested.
Yeah, I guess you had on that. We literally had to get a crane. You were like Mac and Dennis craning a
hot tub onto the roof. First of all, first of all, picture Rob and I hot tub shopping.
Oh, that was the first day. The first step was going to the hot tub place on
Sepolvita and looking at various models and discussing the pros and cons of the
different shapes and colors.
Who's gonna sit where?
I'm going to go this way.
Pack right now.
We have a quick midlife crisis.
We get an apartment and we're going to the other room.
We'll be a lot sadder now.
We'll be going into to soak the things that hurt.
You know know that's
Oh,
Amazon, huh?
Right, it was just different
motivation being on that roof.
It got stemmed in the earth.
Everything hurt.
Want to get up the tub, bro?
Yeah, yeah, that rhymes in a nice bath.
You don't have to have a nice bath.
Oh,
well, the jacuzzi was nice.
Okay, so.
Okay, so we met at the house party.
Yeah, we met at the house party.
And you got past the whole j Jacuzzi on the roof thing. Got past that. We talked about lots
of interesting things. Yeah, yeah, we had some we had we had we had we had we bonded over
the fact that Glenn had two cats. I don't know if everyone knows this. When we met, he had
two cats. I grew up with cats. I liked cats and I had zero cats at the time. I had zero
cats as a single woman in my mid 20s. Good for you. But I I did I think zero cats at the time. I had zero cats as a single woman in my mid-20s. Good for you.
But I did, I think what we first started talking was I heard him,
the cats, one of the cast names was Bean.
And my nickname, my friends called me Bean, like Julie Bean,
like in Bean for short.
So he's like Bean, Bean, you know, and I'm like,
what?
And then I see his talking to the cat.
And I was like, I think I said, like,
I thought you were talking to me because my friends
called me, Julie Bean, or Bean.
And then we started talking and he's like, oh, I have another cat.
He had another cat in the other room.
He showed me his other cat.
Okay, so he demonstrated his value with this cat and his roof top to cool.
Yes.
Yes.
Okay, I showed her that I was in touch with my feminine side.
Yes.
By the way, I think he rented those cats and then he was stuck into keeping them.
I think you were right.
Right.
No, the service was like, on the surface, very like maybe to be considered like not that
cool to be like a single dude with two cats, you know what I mean.
But the way, but I, to my mind, and by the way, I wasn't single when I got the cats with
the next girlfriend and then we broke up and I kept the cats and she left.
But so I ended up a single guy with two cats. But I decided at a certain point, I was like, I'm
gonna own this. Like I'm gonna fully, fully own this and embrace the fact that I'm a single dude
with two cats, you know what I mean? I think, uh, demonstrating your body, or demonstrating your
feminine side, with your masculine side. It's a good move.
So, okay, what's the next step?
E engage physically?
Yeah.
That didn't happen for a while.
That didn't happen.
No.
No, no, no.
No, no, no.
Let's be clear.
He did not dent assist me, okay?
That's what I'm not real.
He may have.
He may have.
He may have.
Let's try to break this up.
Are we going to discover this?
And then I'm going to.
Yeah, we will.
Let's see, let's find out.
So I did demonstrate my value though,
that first night with my hot tub and my dream bedroom.
But in the episode, Dennis doesn't even take a keely on a date.
No, so you dated at least.
We dated.
You had some dates.
We went on a first date.
We got to see.
The G-Lay stand for date.
So we dated.
Something very shady happened on our first date.
We were talking on the phone.
I have no money.
I've been to a lot of jacuzzi debt.
I'm afraid for this sushi, but...
No, I think what happened is when we met, you asked me out and I said, oh, I'm going to Vegas
that the next weekend for a friend's bachelor at party.
Yeah, I think I got that.
So let's hang out when I get back and he says, I said when I said I said, all right, tell you what?
When you get to Vegas, first thing you're gonna do is walk in the casino and put a hundred dollars on black
right and if it pays
I'll take a hundred and you take you take a hundred, right? And if it pays, I'll take 100 and you take, you take 100, right? But
if you lose, I'll pay you back to $100. Right? So you're like, so you're at risk here.
You know, and then and she lost. And so on our first date, the first thing I did.
So I walk up at the sushi restaurant, he's at the booth,
and he hands me $100.
Looks real good.
Yeah, and I'm like,
it looks real good.
And they were laughing about me.
I mean, I'm like,
I'm not sitting down.
I'm not sitting down.
You can't believe me.
Yeah, exactly.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Meanwhile, I was thinking to the night, baby.
He's going to be hungry.
Yeah, I was like, that looks real bad.
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When do you bring Glenn Howard to San Diego to meet your parents?
Are your parents come up to meet and meet him?
No, it was my sister's birthday, wasn't it?
Yeah, my sister was living in Orange County at the time and she had a big birthday. It might have been her. I don't know. Hold were we? I mean, it was my sister's birthday. Yeah, my sister was living in Orange County at the time and she had a big
birthday. It might have been her. I don't know. Hold her. We maybe it was her 30th.
Her 30th. Yeah, her 30th. And I brought him to that.
And what do they think? Have they seen the show? Where they look? Okay.
I don't think they'd seen the show. Her dad. Okay. So her sense of humor comes from
her dad. Yeah. All right. So I just, okay, so I go to this thing and I go to this party,
which is basically just a family party with me.
Like a handful of my sister's friends and like a family.
Yeah, that was it.
But like, I got along with all of them instantly,
especially her dad, who he and I just are like,
we were so, we had the same sense of humor where the like we just got along like super super well and
We were at the bar. We were gonna get like a beer or something like that and I was like hey, you want to do a tequila shot?
To her dad. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, and he was like yeah, let's do it
You know, so we did it to Kayla shot and then and then and then like maybe 15 minutes after that
He busted out the karaoke machine.
And was like, we're gonna do karaoke.
And I was like, oh shit.
This family gets crazy.
Yeah, that's him, he gets crazy.
Okay, so, a couple of people got up, did some karaoke.
I'm sitting next to her dad on the couch.
Okay, this is a true story.
I'm sitting next to her dad on the couch.
And his song came up, his turn came up, right?
The song started, he was like, and he turns to me and he's like, oh, it's it's my turn.
I'm like, oh yeah, go, go, go. And he literally gets up and as he's getting up, he farts on me,
audibly, like super loud and totally on purpose. Like it was it, it didn't squeak out. No, just as he's lifted it.
He was like,
like that, just like fully farmed on me.
Oh my God, he was.
And I was like, that is the funniest fucking thing.
Like, I've just met this guy.
So, wow.
And he just,
territorial in a way.
This is the father of his man.
This is the man who raised her. Like, and he would do things like way. This is the father of his way. This is the man who raised her.
Like, and he would do things like that.
He would just,
he was a car salesman, right?
And he was like, the life of the party's a great athlete.
He was an awesome golfer.
We would often talk golf in the name of him.
And, and you, you got the sense that had his life taken him
that direction, he would have loved to have been a performer.
Totally.
Like, he would have,
Yeah, super curious manate, like walked in a room and just like radiated, you know.
Yeah, like everybody loved him.
Yeah, like a big kind of strong, connery kind of energy, you know.
Yeah.
But yeah, that was his sense of humor.
But then like interesting to get farted on, like intentional.
I couldn't believe it.
I don't know how I would have to, I like it like, like, it was power.
Power of the room. Yeah. I feel like power believe it. I don't know how I would have to, I like it, like, it was power and air.
Yeah, I feel like a power man.
Is he begging you to remember your beneath me?
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
I remember it.
Don't forget, I might be having fun
with the undying shots, but don't forget your place.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I don't know.
I think he just had, he was like a,
he was like a frat boy trapped in an adult man's body.
You know, like, he was just,
that was his sense of humor.
I mean, he did that to me in high school.
I told our son Miles's story recently
because whatever, but I, he, one time the phone rang,
oh, I was telling Miles how like back in the day
when you called someone's house,
like you had to like talk to their parents
and be like, I ain't gonna talk to someone.
So, you know, and he's like, that's awkward.
I'm like, yeah, I wanna hear awkward.
My dad answered the phone once.
He's like, alone, the person is like, is Jill there.
And he's like, yeah, hold on a second
and put the phone, who's asked him for it in it.
And it was my boyfriend.
Wow.
I love my boyfriend.
So this is like a movie did.
I guess he thought it was hilarious to make the,
so when you brought the phone,
if I found these guys and they stick around,
there's a good man.
Yeah.
But if they think this is funny,
then they're a keeper. I don't know. good man. If they think this is funny, he's a lyric keeper.
I don't know.
Well, so if they're offended by my casual flashlight, you know, they're not going to make it.
They're not going to make it.
They're like, we're blocking blast ass all over this guy.
He's cool.
Anyway.
But the thing is, you know, there's some people who can get away with certain jokes and
there are other people who can't.
If you don't know Bob Lattiano, you don't know if he's the kind of person who can get
away with something like that.
Coming from another person, it would have been just disgusting, disrespectful, strange,
and awkward.
But coming from him, I felt like I knew him almost instantly.
He just had that personality.
He could just, he was the type of person who could get that personality. Just like, and he could just,
he was the type of person who could get away with something
like that and it was genuinely funny.
I think there's a thing too with
men who have had raised two daughters, right?
Who suddenly, you know,
there's this man in the life to be like,
eh, like it's kind of like enjoying the guy energy of it.
Yeah.
I have this a little bit with, you know,
Mara Elizabeth's father where I think they like,
you know, they didn't have a son, but they like.
And he didn't have a brother.
He was an only child, you know?
There you go.
He's like a sports guy.
He's just like, he's a sports.
He was very sporty and jocky-ler.
Yeah, exactly.
And I think he just enjoyed that sense of humor
and he was silly, but.
When things like that happen,
you suddenly have permission to just be fully yourself
in a weird way.
Yeah.
You're like, oh, this, okay,
you can let it all hang out with these people.
Like, that's a good feeling to feel like
you can be your authentic self
and that you're not gonna be misunderstood.
You can let your full sense of humor
you can let your freak flag fly.
You can find your inner mantis toboggan. You can find
your inner toboggan and just and just kind of go for it. Let's talk about that a little bit.
I'll talk about Dr. Mantis toboggan, which is such a big part of what I'm talking about. That was
so funny. Without a doubt Rob, Martin, Resolve name. There was something about the name Mantis
that I remember. Resolve I think was, had latched onto that as a word.
So do you think of the full name Mantis DeBoggin
and then you went back and inserted it into the dialogue?
Because Max says, you should see him feast.
He's like a Mantis.
Right.
And then he's like, and then he's like,
I like that.
And so then he takes that as the name.
So I wondered if that was done organically
in the script writing, or if it was thought of at the end
Like we want him to be this guy named Mantis to Boggan. So you can't
I think it was I think the name came first honestly. Yeah, and then I think it was a way to organically have him
You know realize they although it occurred to me. I was like so he's been signing scripts just as Dr.
Toboggan and he hadn't created a first name for his doctor character yet until that moment. Yeah you know, realize the name. Although it occurred to me, I was like, so he's been signing scripts just as Dr. Tobagan.
And he hadn't created a first name for his doctor character yet
until that moment.
Yeah.
And in that moment, he realized like,
that's the first name I've been searching for.
Yeah, that's what happened.
Yeah, you know what I mean?
Because he's already been signing scripts for me.
It was a different episode where he does the video.
Because I remember pitching to him.
And we were like, hey, Danny, will you say Dr. Tobagan
and then remember your first name's Mantis? Mantis. Yeah, and he did it in such a viral video. Hey, Danny, will you say Dr. DeBoggin and then remember your first name's Mantis?
Mantis.
Yeah, and he did it in such a funny way.
Take it from me.
I am a doctor, Dr. DeBoggin.
Mantis DeBoggin.
But that Mantis discussion is very close to my favorite line of the episode, which is
Danny saying, I got my magnum condoms, I got my wad of hundreds, I'm ready to plow.
Yeah.
Ready to plow.
I am not really buzzing.
I am not really buzzing.
Tell this moment right now that I forgot to rewatch the episode.
Oh, you did.
I forgot.
You forgot to watch it.
I forgot.
Just, it's keep in mind.
But I'm excited because now I get to go back and watch it.
I completely forgot about your storyline.
And what is it?
What is my story?
You're trying to Dennis the waitress.
Yeah.
Oh, and I go over and I mess her plumbing up.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
You've got a bag of hair.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And then you show up at a job at the carnival or the fair at the end.
Yeah.
And you want to do the get the carny to stab her.
Yeah. And then you pay a carny to stab her. To the speed pitch. Yes, and then you pay a
Carnie to stab her, but that
Carnie stabs you.
That's great.
That guy was so good to put the
Carnie.
We had him on a pilot that we
made for Bill Burr.
Yeah, Brad Carter, yeah.
Yeah.
Also an amazing musician.
It's a good actor.
There's a great, there's a really
crazy video of him getting
like very serious brain surgery
while he's playing the guitar.
What?
Yes. you know, triggering new skills. Yeah, right. Yeah, yeah. If this guy's handing him new instruments,
it starts speaking Portuguese, you know, right?
Yeah, we're doing something right.
I love this episode actually because you think
it's gonna be a very denocent trick episode.
And it kind of is, but what I like about it is like,
your major want for the episode is that you want to be
understood by the gang that your system works.
You don't even, his characters want
isn't even to get the girl. He doesn't care about that at all. It's to prove that system works. You don't even, his characters want isn't even to get the girl.
He doesn't care about that at all.
It's to prove that the system works.
It's the rest of you.
And then the, it just has a great,
sunny structure of that sending you all off
into these little storylines.
It's really fun to watch with Frank and his man
of Stabog in a Mac trying to move it after.
When he getting all paranoid
that her boyfriend is dancing her.
Is Dennis even not in the soldier?
Yeah, I like turtles.
We convince her that Ben the soldier is Dennis' her.
And he's sitting in that hot car.
Yeah, I'm just so sorry.
You're probably getting Dennis right now
by that new boyfriend of yours, and you don't even know.
What boyfriend?
She don't have a boyfriend.
I do.
Ben, you know, the online soldier that I met,
I went back together now.
What?
That dude wouldn't date you after what you put him through.
Yeah, maybe he'd dead as soon, but he wouldn't date you.
He's not dead as soon, mate.
He's in the car right now.
I told him to wait for me.
Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. So wait.
Did your guy's been waiting out here the whole time in the hot sun?
Yeah, I just told him to wait for him.
And he kind of just does whatever I say.
It's pretty great.
Why'd you tell him to do it with the windows?
I had the engines.
That's even on the roof.
I didn't.
I just didn't tell him to do it with the windows down.
He's not, you know, the smartest.
He's like 100 degrees outside.
Now I'm assuming that he has engaged you physically?
Well, I mean, of course we've engaged physically.
Look at that body.
It is stupid, of course we've engaged.
Over and over physically, but that doesn't mean
that he's pulling some sort of a system.
Hey guys, hey.
Hey, Dee, I didn't see you there.
Are you almost done?
Yeah, yeah, I just got caught up in a story,
but I'll be done pretty soon.
Uh-oh, okay.
Do you want me to come in? No, no, I don't. No, you just stay where una historia, pero yo estoy muy bien. ¿O lo que? ¿Qué quieres venir?
No, no, no.
Tú solo estoy en el que te voy a ver, y tú sabes que te voy a ver cuando estoy rapendo.
Y tú puedes creer que el caro es mi.
¿Qué?
¿Vos viste?
OK.
OK.
Sí, man.
Deh, estás en plena.
No, estás en plena.
¡Bien!
¡Bien!
¡Bien!
¡Ese es lo que me he dicho!
¡Bien! ¡Ey, no! ¡Ey, no! And then it does also have a great sunny structure and then it just sort of ends.
Like it kind of gets up to a point and then, well, you'll see this.
It's just sort of, no, no, I recall.
I think there might have been a couple lines past it
that we just cut.
We leave it on a lot of add-ins.
A lot of add-ins.
Yeah.
I'm like, I gotta get it right home.
So sometimes we have those endings
and they just, they feel wooden
or they feel like super scripty
and so it's just better to find out.
It was super funny, ending on Gladys, it's so damn.
They aboard a hundred years old when she shot this episode.
She's so sweet.
Wow, she's a hundred when she shot this.
What's the name of the video?
May LeBord.
May.
May.
May the best version of finding an ending
that wasn't in the script was seasons later,
but it's a water park episode where it ends with
max setting on that.
But on the thing, we had a whole thing
of us going back to the car and re-capacation about.
Yeah, like what went wrong and it just felt clunky
when we got in the editing room and then just ending it on Rob.
He even kind of looks in the camera a little bit.
Yeah, he basically looks right in the camera.
Yeah, it's perfect.
There's a run.
One of my favorite moments is this,
is the first time we see Dennis's sort of flashback as Dennis is describing his system
and the first time we see you.
And you get this sort of like flashback feeling to it where they're mouthing the words that they're saying, but you're narrating it.
And then you just look straight into the lens, which I think is really funny and kind of sets the tone for how creepy this
is what he's doing.
I demonstrated my value to her by filling a prescription.
I told her, it's for my grandmother, she's quite ill.
Thus demonstrating my value as a loving grandson and an all-around great guy.
I don't know about what the timeframe was for when you started dating, but do you, we
were talking about the other day, the game, the thing, this episode is based on. Do you remember ever feeling like you were the victim of like
the game being done on you, like the negging or any of that sort of, do you remember that,
were you dating then? You said you were in a five-year relationship before you got going,
so yes, yes, yes. Yeah, you might have missed the game window. Oh, you know, it was weird.
I'm like, I'm going to go on, so I guess. Yeah, she might have missed the game window.
Yeah, man, it was weird.
Yeah, I don't even know.
So you were saying you experienced someone
trying to the game, you?
Oh, yeah, I experienced the peacocking.
I started seeing that.
And because that was like in the book
came out in 2005 and 2006 to 2009, I was in New York,
just like dating in my early 20s.
And just, yeah, What was the peacocking?
Like what?
Just wearing weird things.
Like you talked about your buddy.
Like they talked about having a friend.
Yeah, the tie on Rose.
The tie on his head.
The tie on his head.
Wearing strange things, like coming in with like a bird
on the shoulder or something like that.
But also just coming up and having pickup lines
that are really random, like how often do you wash your towel, your bath towel,
or like just these weird things.
Tell about throwing people off balance, right?
Exactly.
Like becoming a person of interest by peacocking.
Yeah.
And then having interactions with people
where you throw them off balance,
and they have to, they don't have time
to recalibrate before you've.
Like you tell them in, oh, I really love those shoes you're wearing.
I think I saw another woman wearing them.
And so you're kind of complimenting her,
but also being like your basic,
the same type of thing.
You're also a basic bitch.
So.
Did you see, you guys saw the Chris Pizza, right?
Like the character Bradley Cooper's playing is,
the famous guy was like a hairdresser,
a turn movie producer,
who dated Barbara Streisand.
And like anyway, he had a pickup line that he,
you know, Paul Thomas Anderson had written a script
and he'd asked him, hey, can I, you know,
represent you in this film, this is okay.
And he was like, you know,
I wouldn't be yelling at the girl from high,
I would be trying to sleep with her.
He's like, oh, that's much better.
And he's like, hey, can you get my pickup line in the movie?
He's like, what's your pickup line?
And he's like, I would just ask girls if they like
peanut butter sandwiches.
And they would think that was a random question
and they would laugh at it and then it would kick off
the conversation.
I'm more like an icebreaker.
It's pretty good.
I like that.
It's like peanut butter sandwich.
Yeah, I mean, that's not-
It's a thing that's got nothing to do with like, hooking up with them.
Yeah.
Yeah, it's not gross or like,
how often do you wash your towels?
It's creepy.
Yeah, that's why, that's why,
that's why I ask you to be a creepy person.
Yeah.
Yeah, but that is, that's the best way to put it on.
Yeah, you like put it on your sandwiches is just perfectly normal.
Yeah, to ask someone to go to the,
Did you guys ever have his cup lines?
What do you, do you ever have pick up lines?
What do you think?
Definitely not.
Definitely not.
No.
Charlie was just waiting and waiting, waiting for her
to make it very clear that she wanted him
to approach in the start of conversation.
Yeah.
And that was, yeah.
I don't know.
I would not, like, I definitely would just
use my sense of humor, right?
Like, if we're hanging out,
meet someone, start joking around the way I'm always joking around.
And if they didn't like my jokes or understand
what I was talking about, Adios, you know?
Like yeah, yeah.
That's pretty good.
It's pretty clear indication that this ain't gonna work.
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I love in this episode like
Max swimming in in your wake and then Frank swimming in his wake.
And how Frank says that what they want to do is move up a rank.
So he wants seconds from now.
He's trying to rise to get seconds and go in front of Max.
He's doing the bookworm routine
with the reading glasses outdoors at the fair,
which I thought was really a funny choice to be like,
oh, smart people wear these,
but they're not recognizing that they're for reading.
And yeah, it's very sweet.
Flipping the magnum and monster in the anory says, I dropped my, I'm dropping my monster
condom from a magnum.
Which wasn't an accident.
I think we scripted it like that.
I can't remember it or I think he screwed it up in the rehearsal or something.
There was something really where yeah, I think it was one of those like,
Danny accidents that were like, yes, that.
Yeah, that one.
Do the same way that, you know,
that one, the guy in $100 baby said,
you know, don't get your panties in an uproar.
I'm like, he's a mistake.
Perfect.
And we were like, that is so much funnier
than don't get your panties in a wad.
Yeah.
Well, also in this episode,
sorry, the Charlie, you know, tries to Dennis the the waitress and there's a great Charlie line that I love
I'm a plumber. You're a fair worker. We go well together.
Let's go well together. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I feel like that was probably an improvised line
I feel like that was one of those things where you guys are just playing on the day
I know we had a real speed pitch thing there.
Oh, yeah.
And I remember trying to throw, seeing that fast, and hurting my shoulder already back then.
And also just being bummed out at how slow it was.
I was like, I have no, I never had a strong one.
But just being like, I'm like, maxing out at mid-50s.
It's terrible.
I really enjoyed that sequence too because Charlie is like, what is this?
And she just has to read off the board,
like the very big letters that say speed.
Yeah, it's interesting.
Yeah, he's like, what do I win?
She's like, I think that was her improv.
Yeah, that was very exciting.
Speed, pitch.
Yeah.
Was it in the script or improvised,
another moment I love is Dennis coming up with how he's gonna fix the plan with that classical music this time.
Okay, clearly none of you have any idea how to run my system.
God, all right, I'm gonna get everybody what they want, including myself.
Let me just think for a second. Let me just work something out here and then...
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We're going to the fair.
That was an editing room discovery.
I think that was something.
I think that was an on-the-day thing.
I think I just, I thought, like, wouldn't it be funny to, like, you know, have some sort
of, like, orchestra playing in my head
where I'm literally orchestrating a plan as an orchestra is playing.
I don't know, I think it's worth it.
But then you go through all of that and then you just say, we're going to the fair.
Yeah.
Which is hard even.
You play it dry or do we do music?
And cut it out.
No, we put music in.
Yeah, yeah, okay.
It's great.
Did you have that in your mind when you were doing it?
That I don't. Because it matches pretty well your mind when you were doing it? That I don't.
Because it's done matches pretty well, like what you were doing to that song.
So I don't know if they had to find a song to the match or you had it.
I don't think I did.
I think it just worked out somehow.
That's funny.
Which is weird.
You'd be surprised how often things fit.
You put it in just sometimes.
Right.
If it's so good, you're like, oh, perfect.
Right, right.
But yeah, but it does end perfectly on that dun dun dun.
And I go like that again.
Well, that was an editing thing.
It's crazy.
Yeah, I don't know if maybe we just messed up at the time.
Yeah, probably.
How was it to act with one another?
Have you done that before or have you done it since
in all those scenes you had together?
Uh, I don't think we have done it before or since.
I mean, we used to work on auditions with each other.
Yeah, but that's different.
No projects that we've worked on together.
No.
You produce things that Glenn's been a part of, but like, yeah.
Yeah, just recently.
Yeah, that's correct.
The thief collector, he has a great documentary that she produced.
And Glenn is in some of the reenactments.
Yeah, he stars in our reenactments with a very fantastic mustache. They're very kind of
quirky stylized reenactments. That was just released last Friday. Yes, you just see it on all.
Anyway, you can rent her by leaving various places. Yes, Amazon, iTunes, Google Play.
But can we talk a little bit about the transition
that you made from being an actor to being a producer?
And how that happened?
And what kind of stuff you're working on right now?
Yeah, of course.
Yeah, it's interesting.
I was always kind of performing.
I grew up dancing since I was three years old.
And that transition in my early 20s
when I moved to New York.
I was a Nick City dancer for a short time
and then I got into modeling from that
and then I did that for a while
and then I started doing commercials
and then I'm like, ooh, acting's fun.
And so I transitioned into acting.
I talked about a commercial you did with Tom Brady.
Is that right?
I did do a commercial with Tom Brady.
I talked about it in the podcast.
I'm not sure if I've ever made it, but you did.
And you can find that on YouTube, I think,
and out there.
It was a Visa commercial with Tom Brady.
We'll put it right here.
Yeah.
I can watch it.
Watch right here.
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Yeah, so it's, you know, it was evolving
and kind of always trying to find the thing
that was my thing, you know,
and I enjoyed every piece of that journey,
but even as an actor, like, I enjoyed it when I was doing it,
but anyone that acts and knows that it's a very,
there can be a very difficult journey, you know,
it's like a lot of waiting.
I felt like I was waiting for something because it's like, you work and then the job's over. And then you're auditioning, auditioning, you know, it's like a lot of waiting. I felt like I was waiting for something
because it's like you work and then the jobs over and then you're auditioning auditioning. Oh, it's between you and one other girl. Oh, you didn't get it. It's like this roller coaster. I think
I know control over your family. Yeah, I remember hearing you talk about this one so many times you
tested like before sunny. Oh my god. I tested. I remember seven times in one year for the leads and
pilots and didn't get any of them. And it was just like so rough, you know?
And although I enjoyed it, I'm like,
I just feel like I have more to give.
And I'm just like sitting here.
Like, I need to put this energy into something.
And so we, Glenn and I enjoyed documentaries
and we had reached out to a director of a doc
that we saw that we really liked.
And I said, look, and I just started putting it out there.
I'm like, if you need help with anything,
like this is an issue I really care about, you know, let me know. And I started doing look, and I just started putting it out there. And like, if you need help with anything, like this is an issue I really care about,
let me know.
And I started doing work with nonprofit groups
and environmental groups and that director
who we reached out to, she was doing
this celebrity PSAs for Prop 37,
which was to get GMOs labeled.
This was back in 2012.
And she calls me out of the blue and she goes,
hey, I'm doing these PSAs.
And I was wondering, you know, I know you haven't produced before, but I was wondering if you
wanted to produce them for me. And I think at the time she was asking because I had a lot of
connections with actors that shoot, you know, like it would be easy to kind of like cast and get people.
And I was like, oh, okay, I haven't done this before, but sure. And through that process,
I was like, oh, this is my thing. I just enjoyed it so much.
My natural skill set is that of a producer.
It doesn't feel like work to me,
and then couple it with an issue that I cared about.
It was like, this is amazing.
So my now producing partner, Josh,
he was also producing those PSAs with me.
He had started another project, which is called GMO-OMG,
which was a full feature talk about GMOs.
And he's like, look, it's just me and my best friend,
who was the director, and we've shot it,
but we haven't edited it.
We need some new blood.
I know you're new, but I can tell, you're great at this.
Would you want to come on and help finish this movie?
And I was like, yes.
And so it just kind of took off from there.
And then Josh and I had such a good experience
on that movie that we decided to start our company,
roots productions and it's just been growing from there.
So when you have that moment, right, the spark,
we were like, oh, this fits.
This is right.
You know, you don't feel like you're pushing
a boulder up a hill.
Yeah.
I saw it.
It was really interesting to see happen.
It's like, it's see that she was searching for something like this.
It was like I have, like she would say,
I feel like I have so much more to give, right?
So much more to offer the world
and just couldn't quite figure out what that was.
And it wasn't until she got involved in GMOMG
that I really saw, I saw you light up.
And I could see, I was like, oh, okay, this is,
yeah.
And I think I'd always been in like the performing arts.
Like I guess I'd never even considered it really,
but then once I got into that role,
I was like, oh no, this is it, you know?
And all the experience I have
from being a performer helps me so much
because I've been on sets,
I've been, you know, like I feel very comfortable
in that setting.
I've seen how producers work, how they interact with talent, how they, you know, like so it was
amazing how it just kind of like I was like, oh my gosh, this is it. This is what I'm supposed to do.
So after after GMO, OMG, you guys produced the devil we know. Yeah, we went on to do the devil we know.
And then a thief collector was next. The thief collector was the first dock we did
that was not issue based.
It's just a fun, quirky, archized film.
Also about like a very interesting couple.
A very interesting couple.
Yeah, so it's like, yeah, it's not so bad.
It's not so bad.
Yeah, you know, it started out as this, you know,
basically a decooning painting was cut out of the frame
in 1985 at this tiny museum in Arizona.
And they had no video, like security cameras or anything,
so it kind of disappeared into the desert.
And then cut to 32 years later,
this 85 year old woman passes away
or has been and died a few years earlier,
a small town in New Mexico, like 300 people.
And they find this painting, now worth $160 million
hanging behind their bedroom door.
Crazy.
Just to do some like that and then to never tell anybody about it.
Well, they were just, they were schoolteachers.
Well, that's what the whole documentary is about.
It's about, it's about, did they do?
Did they know what it was?
Did they, you know?
Yeah, because they were deceased.
So like there isn't full, full proof that they did it.
Did they not do it?
Did they purchase it?
You know, all these things.
There's a lot of evidence in the film as you'll see that,
you know, that it points to them actually doing it themselves.
But that's why it's so fascinating.
How did two school teachers become like,
aren't they, are they?
How did they know?
Why?
Because why?
They don't sell it, they don't like profit off it.
So it's purely the Russian community.
Like how well they're knowing or maybe the sense of like having some sort of power and like a yeah powerless life
Yeah, it's really interesting and how the people in their lives
Thank you would never have guessed in a million years that they would could be capable of something like this like it's a fascinating
Fascinating
Commit crimes together just interesting because like it's like I always think it's so hard to meet somebody that
together are just interesting because like it's like I always think it's so hard to meet somebody that jives with you on so many different things. Yeah, like imagine if you found somebody that was like,
no, I literally, I also want to kill people. Oh, yeah. And what are you working on now? Are there
projects that you're working on that you can talk about? Yeah, there's a handful I can't talk about
yet, but I guess the next one we're working on now, two things we're in production. On one is a four-part doc series for MGM Plus about the serial killer Ed Geen.
Oh, interesting.
It's not, it's outside of my like, look.
That's why it's a little ironic that the wife of Dennis would be producing a doc about
the guy who makes skin suits.
I mean, he's just like, I've made so many jokes.
So many jokes.
That were all based on my knowledge of Edgene,
only because I remember seeing a movie.
And by the way, kind of fucked up just to call him serial killer
slash designer, yes.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Flash DJ probably.
Flash DJ.
Flash, flash.
Flash model.
But I'd seen a movie about Edgene years ago, I was like, oh my, this is the most fucked up shit. And the thing that really stuck with me was the fact
that he would take people's skin and like turn it into like lampshades.
And so that became a source of comedy for like my characters.
Like you saying, do you think that if somebody made a mask of my face?
Don't.
All that. I'm like, I you think that if somebody made a mask
of my face?
Totally.
All those jokes and then in the podcast thing
that we did where I talk about like turning someone's
into a lampshade or then in the episode
where I'm talking to Dee about like turning her skin into
a luggage collection.
Yeah, so it's very ironic because it's really not, the subject matter is not in our wheelhouse.
We've never done true crime or anything, but there's a really unique aspect to the show
that hasn't been announced that I'm not allowed to talk about, but stay tuned because of something that's organic lampshades. There's something that's gonna make it different
than any other show or movie you've seen about it.
Well, first of all, most people don't,
most people don't even know that much about it.
Again, there have been so many things
about other serial killers, but he was like,
the psychology behind what he did is really interesting.
He's not a charismatic Ted Bundy type.
He was a very simple farmer,
but he had a very complicated relationship with his mother.
And so the skillsuit stuff is trying to recreate.
They think he was maybe trying to recreate his mother.
Like it's very dark.
What a lot of, for those people who don't know much about Edgene,
leather face is based on Edgene.
Yep.
Psycho. That character in Psycho is based on Edgene. Yeah. Psycho. Psycho.
That character in Psycho is based on Edgene.
Science of the Lamb.
Science of the Lamb.
Yeah, Hannibal Lecter is based on Edgene.
Like so many of those like horrible characters.
Yeah, we're based on Edgene.
We're based on Edgene.
And yet people don't know that much about Edgene.
And this, this talk has like, as she said, like an element to it that is.
It's going to be surprising.
I'm not allowed to say that, but it's new discoveries.
All right, Taylor.
New discoveries.
Yeah.
Yeah, so that one,
that'll be out in September, I believe.
We were thinking Halloween,
but I'm thinking it's gonna come out after Labor Day.
So we'll see.
And then, yeah, we're in production
another feature doc about domestic workers
and their fight for protections
under federal labor laws and dignity.
You know, we like to say that not we, I should say, Ijen Poo from the National Domestic
Workers Alliance coined this phrase, which is so true that domestic workers make all
other work possible.
You know, women like me would not be able to be in the workforce if it weren't for domestic
workers, for our nannies, and, you know, home health care aids that take care of our elderly and
are disabled. So it's about that group of mostly women, not all women, mostly women
of color, immigrants. So that's a really important story that I'm excited to be working on.
And then we have a handful of other things in development.
And we've kind of organically gotten indescripted,
because I'd be looking for stories for docs and kind of read things that
are like, this would be an amazing movie.
So Glenn and I are actually speaking of working together,
we're producing a scripted movie together.
Great.
I don't think we should talk about this.
And this is how those things seem to find their way around.
Like you say you've retired from acting,
but I wouldn't be surprised if it found its way
all the way around until you make a scripted thing
that you're like, you know what, I wanna be in this.
And then they're acting again.
You never know.
I mean, maybe, maybe.
It's not my goal.
It came up even when we were working on the thief collector
of like, should we be in this together?
Like, do you wanna play a half-order writer this?
Right, we were casting the woman, you know,
and I was trying to get different actresses
and well, I did say I'm like, if we can't get who we want, I will do this. You know, everyone's
like, just do it. And I was like, I will. But I didn't really want to. Yeah. I could just
announce the thing. Yeah. I'm kind of done with it. I mean, if someone had something
that was just right or was like a funny cameo or like if they asked me to like for Kaylee
to come back for an episode, like, yes, I would do that But like I'm not oh that's interesting, but I'm not looking I'm not looking for that
So I I enjoyed separated entirely entirely. Yeah, I really have
Yeah, but it's fun. It just makes it want you so much more. Yes, you know, that's been proven
Yeah, and your marriage it's gonna last
And your marriage, it's gonna last or where? There's no telling.
Well, the kids are driving you nuts and there's no telling.
There's no telling.
There's no telling.
I mean, there's all kinds of things that can, you know,
ruin a marriage.
But for now, you're bonding over the skin lips.
Okay.
So I think we did it.
Yeah, we did do it.
That was it. It was. What do you think could be it. Yeah, we did do it. I think we did it.
That was it.
It was.
What do you think could be it on the podcast?
I liked it.
I did enjoy it.
I'm going to be a separate, separate entirely.
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