The Joe Rogan Experience - #2132 - Andrew Schulz
Episode Date: April 6, 2024Andrew Schulz is a stand-up comic, actor, and podcaster. He's the host of the "Flagrant" podcast with Akaash Singh, and the "Brilliant Idiots" podcast with Charlamagne Tha God. His latest special, "In...famous," is available on YouTube. www.theandrewschulz.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
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I think that's the CIA guy on with the hair.
Yeah. What do you think of that guy?
So after the pod...
I guess we're up. Let's go.
You want to go? We're up, let's go. You wanna go?
We're rolling.
Let's do it.
Okay, so he came on and he was very like,
first of all he's very charming,
but like when you're talking to anybody
who's worked for the CIA,
you're looking at him through the same lens
as you look at like a therapist.
Right.
Where it's like, wait, are you analyzing?
Like what's going on?
What's going on here?
Very charming, very smart,
very like seems to really know what's going on in the world.
But straight up told us, he's like, yeah, this, yeah, yeah.
I guess one of the advantages I have
is I'm pretty close to a sociopath.
I'm not there, but I don't feel the same emotions
that everybody feels.
There's a lack of guilt,
but I know when I should feel it in these moments.
Whoa.
But that's a huge advantage.
Imagine if you're trying to find assets and flip assets.
If you and I build a relationship with somebody
and we feel empathy for them,
maybe we wouldn't be able to say,
hey, now it's time for you to cough up the information
or else.
But somebody else in that position might.
So I would imagine if you were the fucking CIA,
you're like, okay, we're looking for people
who have gone through these things in their life that have
Curated this kind of like personality type well isn't it just like part of the gig like here
Here's a for instance like your bit about puffy
That bit is like look you don't have any real personal beef with
Diddy but it's gotta go down
The the bits are there. I'm a gold miner. I just found some gold. You're right. Maybe I'm a sociopath
It's not that you're a sociopath. It's just that that's part of the gig. Yes, like you're not a sociopath with your friends
No, I think I'm maybe an empath.
Yes.
But I guess it's one of those things where like
you justify, you go, okay, if there's,
I think this person might've done something bad.
Yes.
And he can get jokes, and we're all gonna tell jokes.
Yeah.
I'm not pressing fucking charges.
Well, not only that, you're not the guy
who's out there like calling the New York Times,
hey, you know what I heard about?
By the way, yeah. Yeah, exactly. You're just like guy who's out there like calling the New York Times. Hey, you know what I heard about it Yeah, yeah, yeah, you're just like it's there
It's everywhere my fucking news feed is dominated by it Fox News
CNN
Everyone there's raids at Diddy's house. Who is the guy that was running around with a sports bra on?
Did you see that one dude? No? This is in LA? Oh my god
I gotta say all the ways are happening. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, he got caught up in the raid and it was yelling
I'm a celebrity. I'm a celebrity
Like like one of the most hilarious clips hold on I'm gonna find you this it's so funny mm-hmm
Do you know I'm talking about Jamie, but you bring up a good point which is like
Are there ever situations where you feel you won't?
Wait see see this
Hold on we're gonna play it, okay. Yeah, but your headphones on so you can hear it
Oh
Wearing what appears to be a black sports bra red tights and the performers signature trim beard and long eyelashes
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Saliva from Diddy party yeah, well he was at Diddy's house I bet he was so I guess did he just kept people at his houses
Because he's got multiple houses, and he's just had freakout part. We're gonna
Because he's got multiple houses and he's just had freak out part. We're gonna
Saucy's crazy. Have you seen saucy twerk? I didn't even know saucy existed until I saw that video. Oh saucy can throw it down
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Now Diddy's in a tricky situation.
Boy, that's the understatement of the year.
Yeah, I think it's over.
You think it's over?
I think it's over for him is like a
Figure in entertainment right, but it's over him as far as they'll he gets a cell right next to our Kelly I don't think so. I don't think it's like skates. I think skates or he goes really Bolly oh
Yeah, yeah, that's a move huh? I mean Russell's out there
Yeah, you know is he been formally charged or is he just know that the shit is out there?
I think there's just so much shit out there, but I think those rappers did some
Shit, it's yeah, I mean in the 90s music business. It's a lot of people not just the music business
It's like it's the extortion business. Well, that's yeah. I mean the rap game was crazy
that's a lot of thing a lot of people don't realize is like
Back in the day, especially like early rap game. You weren't just going to play at you know
What's the random theater that you would play in LA? What's like a theater? I'm trying to think the Orpheum or something like that
Will turn the will turn
Some guys were explaining to me. It was like you would play at the local hood club
There was like a hood club that you could perform at.
And then that was owned by the local drug dealer that was washing money there.
Right.
So this is where the idea of like checking in comes from.
Have you heard of this term?
Yes.
Like checking in was basically like, hey, I want to make sure we're good because you're
going to pay me.
And if I don't check in, you might rob me because you're putting me up at the hotel
and you know everything that's going on,
and you're a drug dealer, so you don't play by the rules.
Right, when you come to Houston,
you're checking in with certain people.
Mr. Prince. Yes, sir.
Mr. Prince. Yeah.
You don't gotta check in, Joe.
You gotta check in, say hi.
Joe don't gotta check in.
Well, I'm not in that business.
I say hi.
You've had him on here, right?
Yeah, yeah.
He's a legend in the game, dude.
He's a legend. Out of respect, I say hi. There you go. a legend in the game. He's a legend out of respect. I say hi
There you go. Yeah, there you go. So what is like? Yeah. Yeah, how does a guy like him?
Like I'm trying to think like how do you?
How do you navigate that to the point where people have this like respect and fear because of what they?
Assume you've done in the street world. Right. But you're also operating legitimately.
Yeah.
And nobody can get you.
They try.
They try.
Boy, they tried with him many times.
And do you think they just give up?
I don't think they have anything.
If they had something, they would have brought it.
You know, if they have something on a guy like that,
they try to get him.
That's the thing with him.
But he's clever. Oh a he's playing many levels
He's like one of those dudes you ever see a chess tournament where a guy walks in and there's ten different players
and he just walks and goes to each move and
Goes to the next board and makes a move goes to the next board makes a move that he beats everybody
Yeah, yeah, so where does a guy like that learn that that's what I'm trying to streets. Yeah. Yeah, he learns that you know I mean, it's all about keeping people close. Yeah. So where does a guy like that learn that? That's what I'm trying to understand. Streets. Streets.
Yeah, he learns that, you know,
I mean it's all about keeping people close.
Yeah.
Respect.
Yeah.
Giving respect, getting respect.
Yeah.
Making sure that, you know,
you cover all your statements.
Yeah, like if you say something,
you have to make sure you do it.
You cover it, yeah.
100% of the time.
And there's probably times in his life
where he's went, like if it's poker, he probably went all in a few times not in terms of money, but like this decision makes or breaks me
Yeah, I wonder how many make or break moments
He's had
Well, it depends on what's actually true. What's not true in terms of accusations
Ah, you know, there's uh, if some of the accusations are true that kind of covers things
You know when folks vanish
Yeah, yeah, that's effective that
Fears effective man 100% yeah, and it should be because listen all this shit that's going on right now in the world
In America we get so soft and we think none of that shit's gonna happen here all that murder war
drones Assassinations that's not gonna happen here
Unless you know the Clintons. Yes
Yeah, let's you know some shit about old bill and then you want to shoot yourself in the chest while hanging from an extension cord
Wait, did that happen? Oh, yeah, you don't know that guy
Shot himself in the guy Joe that seems really hard to do with a shotgun
This is how do you do such a thing while you're hanging? This is a guy that
Brought Epstein to the White House at least seven times
What's his name?
We'll find out.
So they found him at a ranch 30 minutes from his house,
hanging by an electrical cord from a tree
with a shotgun wound to the chest.
Shotgun discovered near the body
of former Clinton aide Mark Middleton.
And then they called it a suicide.
Wow.
12 gauge shotgun was 30 feet
from the body of Mark Middleton
was he found dead.
Okay, so who orchestrates this?
Is this the same thing where does Clinton go,
hey, this guy needs to go,
or do the powers that be around a powerful person go,
we already know what needs to happen?
Well, I think they know if a dude is in contact with someone or has been talking or is about to talk mean
Cooperating with yes, I don't think any of those guys have clean phones. I don't think any of those guys
Don't have their houses bugged. I don't think any of those guys aren't tracked
Yeah, who the if you're a guy that brought Jeffrey Epstein to the fucking White House to see Bill Clinton
Seven times and all this Epstein shit is going down and galanes in jail and you have information there
There's people on both sides, right?
There's the people on the right that are trying to nail the people that are on the left with this
There's people that are journalists that are trying to nail the people that are on the left with this, there's people that are journalists that are trying to nail the people that are involved in this, and
they've managed to keep that fucking list from coming out, which shows you how powerful
certain people are.
That should show you a lot.
That should be terrifying.
The fact that Ghislaine Maxwell's in prison, she's in prison for sex trafficking, and yet
no one's been accused of buying any of that pussy.
No one's been accused of having sex with these
underage girls that she is in jail for supplying.
Yeah, that is crazy.
That's crazy.
If you own a store and there's no items left,
yet nobody's purchased anything, something's going on.
Something's going on.
Yeah.
So I guess what I'm trying to figure out is like...
People can go away.
I mean, that's what people were saying
and maybe everybody's a conspiracy theorist now
but that's what people are saying about the Diddy situation.
Like when the feds rolled up with the fucking hummers
and shit, they're like it wasn't about Diddy,
it was about if there were tapes of powerful people there.
Yeah, oh I'm sure.
They were the ones that called,
they're like,
I need to protect myself, so go in there with all the things
and rip any tapes or any evidence.
Well, Prince Harry was hanging with Diddy.
I mean, everybody hung with Diddy. That's the other trick.
Yeah, that is the trick.
Diddy hung out with everybody, and I've spoken to a bunch of people
who are like, yo, great dude, like, always there for you,
never asked for a single thing.
Until one in the morning.
And then the freak off begins. off everybody says get out of the house
Yeah, it's like the gremlins start eating after midnight
Everybody tells the stories like I saw go upstairs and these dudes are fucking like right on the couch
Yeah, and then I go in this room and these guys are fucking and it's like and pros like apparently he was getting male jiggalos to fuck girls
That girls yeah, that's the that was one of the rumors like the real
You know he would hire the professional dicks to have sex with the girls, and I think he would watch allegedly
That's what that's what was alleged that thing
Yeah, it's a lot of crazy stuff going on and that's the other thing like I wonder like is that just a power thing?
It's a Caligula thing. What does that mean Caligula like the the Emperor? Did you ever see that movie Caligula?
It's about just Roman Empire's being completely out of control
Caligula is like almost like porn and it was a movie made I want to say in the 70s
It's a crazy movie, but it's just it's just detailing extreme
Excess where you could never fill the hole, but what what is the hole you need to fill like I'm trying to find like
What's the chaos what year was this?
79 yeah
That's Malcolm McDowell, right
Yeah, hmm yeah it. Yeah.
Yeah, the dude from Clockwork Orange.
Oh, yeah, yeah.
It's a crazy movie, man.
It's still mild in comparison to what absolute power
corrupts, Caligula.
OK, so then there's the question.
It's like, can you take a completely normal person,
give them power, and then they become that?
Or does it take a power hungry person that
has this void that needs to be filled, and then when they are given that power you see the worst version of them ask your CIA boy I bet he's got the answers I bet he knows the exact formula to corrupting somebody or to what happens like what happens these people have you ever met somebody in our business that like before they were popping they were kind of dick, and then once they became very successful,
they were the biggest dick.
And you're like, you were always gonna be this way,
you just didn't have the power to project it on people.
I don't know too many people in our business
that are really successful, like your level or my level,
that are dicks.
Yeah, yeah, let me think about that, yeah.
Yeah, yeah, there are me think about that yeah Yeah
Yeah, there are people maybe that feel they should be at a higher level and I'm not they can kind of boss people around
Yeah, throw their weight around to their assistant or their agents
Yeah, maybe they yell when they shouldn't yell or don't have to yell or are demeaning to certain people that bothers me though
Oh, I hate it. It really it. I don't like it at all.
Especially when you're demeaning to the people
that can't really do anything.
They could quit of course, but like this is their opportunity.
Right, and then they feel terrible,
and for no reason.
The same exact situation could be,
hell, what a hug.
Yeah.
You could tell them, you appreciate them,
you hold their hand, you shake their hand,
you give them a hug, and then everybody feels good.
Yeah.
Yeah, that should be what the goal is.
Like you're the guy who is in this very unique,
unusual situation and you have the ability
to make everybody feel better.
Yeah.
Except until you don't.
Until there's some people that you just gotta get rid of.
There's some people that just feel entitled
and they don't feel it.
There's certain things that do happen
around certain successful people.
You'll see they have a few people that have resentment that are around them that realize like oh
I'm a support person and I only have so much room that I can climb I can never be
Andrew Schultz I'm always going to be this guy who works with Andrew Schultz or oh like I've had a few buddies that have
Opening acts that wind up getting very entitled
And they have real problems with them with the opening acts get resentful and there becomes issues
And then we're the good guys they clip them they get rid of them you have to yeah
You gotta get it rid of you can't be around someone who resents your success
I just had a friend who just led me through all the shit that his opening act was doing and but I've known
Several guys that have had that.
Once things start popping, those guys feel like,
hey, you know, I'm a big deal.
You're not even, you're just like,
you could be replaced with another guy who does 15 minutes.
This is crazy.
You have an amazing opportunity,
you get a chance to perform in front of these thousands
of people that you would never be able to perform in front
of them, and you light it up, you can move up the ladder,
and then one day that could be you, and they could be coming to see you, and we've all seen that. And you never wanna have to perform in front of them, and you light it up, you can move up the ladder, and then one day that could be you,
and they could be coming to see you,
and we've all seen that.
And you never wanna have to manage somebody like that.
You wanna have people around you
that are excited by the opportunity,
and everybody's like part of the team,
and we're doing this fucking unbelievable thing,
and yeah, I guess I feel lucky I have those guys.
Yeah, you've cultured a good group of humans,
and then they have gratitude, and we all have gratitude everybody has gratitude
Yeah, that's the key, but some people they're just they're nuts some people are just crazy
Which is why they're in show business in the first place
Yeah, and they have a distorted perception of reality and they're not good at being objective. They're not good at seeing the big picture
You know those fucking people give you a real problem if they're in your circle, and if they're smart
The problem is like when you take one of those people who's intelligent they can like rationalize and justify all the behaviors
That's the trickiest thing like how do you?
Have you been that situation where like you're tying trying to talk them out of a behavior?
That they have and you're just like this might not be the most rational way to operate
It's not really It's like at a not be the most rational way to operate It's not really
It's like at a certain point of time you have to
Yeah, I guess you got to kind of let them
Yeah, let them know what you can do to cure them of it
Yeah, I don't know if you can like tell them hey, this is what you're doing like fuck. What am I doing? Oh, I'm sorry
Yeah, I'm gonna get my shit together
Do we have confirmation? Yes, and and we're good to go. Yeah, hold on. Okay, okay
Light it on Joe
Yeah He's we're going back and forth right now. Yeah, I think there's just comfy or not comfy. Yeah green light. Oh really okay
All right. I think there's a lot of speaking of psychos
There's a lot of psychos in the world. Yeah, and I think that this is a thing
It's like there's a certain amount of people that really don't care about other people
So don't they exist or that mean? What is it the terms, I guess the term is sociopath, right?
Well, I think sociopath just means
that you don't feel like the guilt
that a normal person would feel
when you make somebody feel uncomfortable.
Right.
Or they could potentially be in that uncomfortable situation.
That reaction is just not elicited in you.
And therefore you can maybe ask them to do things
that would put them in a really uncomfortable situation.
Or like, for example, you have a podcast, right?
You ask somebody, come on,
there might be a really embarrassing tough question
that you might wanna ask them,
maybe that's why you brought them on,
or they're a really close friend of yours
and you're just like,
I don't know if I wanna put them in this situation
in front of all these people.
Dude, I do that all the time.
You don't ask.
I don't ask.
Exactly, because you have empathy.
You care about how they're perceived. I don't need to talk to someone about something controversial
If they want to talk about it
Like if it's something they want to get off their chest or they want they want to discuss because there's some misconceptions out there
Happy to give you that that platform, but like play got you with you. It's I am NOT that guy at all
Yeah, I don't want to have anything to do with that shit. Yeah, I don't like it
I don't think it's necessary gross also if you're talking about a human being in one very specific issue
Don't they have a lot of things going on in their life? I'm interested in the full human dude
I'm not interested in just digging the dirt on one bad situation that you may or may not be involved
You said some shit to me
When I had when I had my kid.
You said, you know what's really funny is that like,
when I'm talking to somebody
or somebody's being incredibly annoying
or they're frustrating, they're being a pain in the ass,
they're being a dick, I just imagine them
as a six week old baby.
Yeah.
And it's like every one of them started out that way,
this innocent, pure, amazing little thing.
And life might have turned them into this.
Life, shitty parents, bad neighborhood.
And then sometimes it's just genes.
Sometimes you get wacky genes, man.
Sometimes people are mentally ill right from the jump.
And I don't think people like to admit that,
but that's a fact.
Yeah, how much can you do with that?
Not much and then when it comes to like medication, what is the medication doing it?
Is it dulling the mind so that the impulses don't come out? Is it?
Ramping up your dopamine so you don't want to do those things like yeah
I was wondering that with like Prozac like I didn't realize how many people I knew that were on Prozac
What's he saying?
Yeah, you're nice, yeah, we're good. Let's just do it. Yeah, okay
Yeah
Speaking of hmm speaking of psycho speaking of of of people that are potentially bad. Yeah
That do not have your good
good interests at heart and will take advantage of you and
Maybe are pathological in their desires to crush so we're talking talking about Andrew Huberman situation his situation not Huberman Yeah, yeah, So one of the things that was left out of that article.
People know, I assume everybody here
knows exactly what happened.
So there's an article that Andrew Huberman,
an ex got ahold of a reporter and said that he's a philanderer,
he's doing all these terrible things, he's a bad guy.
And so they write this long article.
What they left out was that the person
who accused him of all this,
first of all is being investigated by the DOJ for fraud and is in the middle of that
right now. It's a very serious case. I would name the case, but that would, like they made
the lady anonymous, which is also crazy. Like you could have an anonymous person who attacks
this famous person with, which is essentially, whether it's true,
the things she's saying are true or not true,
the stuff she left out, the DOJ stuff.
Oh, and that's when he breaks it off.
Exactly.
He breaks it off, she feels scorned.
The DOJ contacts him because they're investigating
this woman.
And you think that that would be like,
maybe the first paragraph of the article.
You would think that would at least be a part
of the article. Yeah. If it was a real piece of news. Yeah. You would think that would at least be a part of the article.
Yeah.
If it was a real piece of news.
Yeah.
You would say, oh, this is complicated.
Yeah.
Okay, so what do you think it is?
Do you think it could come from pharmaceutical companies?
I don't think there's zero influence.
You know, I mean, I think for sure,
look, with the stuff that happened to me.
That's what I was gonna ask.
What do you think it comes from?
That was 100% influenced by pharmaceutical drug companies political interest to yeah
Well, they're all tied in together because they fund them. So you got pharmaceutical drug interest that a
Fund the network. Yeah, right. They pay for so much of the advertisement. So yeah
I mean you can't just hold on to the advertisers
Yeah, you cut if the news said no more pharmaceutical drugs, like let's imagine if the government says this.
The government says no more pharmaceutical drug contributions to super PACs,
no more pharmaceutical drugs, ads on television shows and newspapers, no more.
Then you have to fill a massive void that's missing from those ads.
And you're gonna have to bring in Toyota trucks
and fucking all those different things.
You're missing out on a lot of fucking money.
So if that's a giant portion of your ad revenue,
you're gonna avoid all conversations about vaccine injuries.
They're not gonna come up.
You're gonna shut them down and go to commercial. Yes.
You're going to say, well, the studies don't show that.
The study that you'll talk over RFK.
What you're saying is just simply not true.
Vaccines are the reason why we don't have...
The vaccines have never been shown to show, to cause autism.
Vaccines, and we'll be right back.
And they go to commercial.
And then it's just like the person shouted them down.
They're probably getting talk in their ear.
You know, Don Lemon Lemon get off the subject, you know, like there's there's probably
Someone in their ear because they do have earpieces
But here's the thing I don't even know if they have to tell you when you know that you were being paid by someone
Yeah, it's very easy to just go along with whatever narrative they support
percent and and that's the tricky thing because a lot of times we act like there's these
group of six people that are disseminating this information.
They're directly hitting up Don Lemon,
all these other people, you must behave this way.
I think people fall in line.
I think it's almost human instinct to fall in line.
When you know who's got your back,
you kind of fall in line with it.
And if the pharmaceutical companies are supporting
25% of your ads or 30, whatever the fuck it is,
you fall in line with it.
You fall in line with the narratives
and the networks you're with.
If you write for the Washington Post,
you probably fall in line.
And when you start to ruffle feathers,
your articles don't get posted.
And then you realize, oh shit,
if I want my articles to get posted,
I gotta write like this.
My kid's in private school and I wanna build a pool.
And now there's this incentive structure,
this built-in, without anybody fucking telling you
what to do.
So it's this, it's not built-in without anybody fucking telling you what to do exactly so it's this it's not as like
Nefarious as people assume it is when you hear about like the deep state and these people telling you it's an incentive structure built
In and human beings want to survive and we start kind of doing the things that will help us survive
And it's all implied you know what you're supposed to say not to say it's the Clinton speaking fee like no one
wants to hear Hillary Clinton speak
Nobody ever has wanted to hear her speak, but she's getting 400 grand from Goldman Sachs
After she's you know what was the Secretary of State so it's like but Goldman Sachs doesn't need to say hey by the way
You're gonna get speaking fees. She knows it exactly they all fucking know it well That was why during the Trump debates with Clinton. He was like release the transcripts of those speeches. Oh all fucking know it. Well that was why during the Trump debates with Clinton
He was like release the transcripts of those speeches. Oh, I love it. Yeah, I'll release my taxes
You release the transcript. Yeah, and what is the transcript? Hey guys, do we really need to be here or can I go home?
You know what I want. I want you guys to make money
So that's that that's the whatever the deep state if you will it's not it's not six people
Well, that's the that is like the people that are in your crew that start acting
Entitled when they're around you those are the people that the Hillary Clintons the Hillary Clintons are the people that are like
Maybe disrespectful to the servers and you find out about they sent food back. They back, they talk, it's not the main guy, it's the support staff.
So you're saying the main people are not the presidents.
The main people are the people that are running Raytheon,
the people that are running these gigantic companies
that make weapons.
Dude, that's where the real money is.
When we had RFK on, I didn't even that's where the real money when we had um when we had RFK on
I didn't even fucking know this shit, but um I
Didn't know like when we're sending money to Ukraine
We're not really even sending money there. We're sending money to American military
Manufacturers to make weapons and then the month the weapons go to Ukraine, but we're paying us
Yeah, but you can't really say but also some money goes over there too and that money
Enough billions and that money is like whoo. Where to go?
Yeah, dudes are doing coke and driving around Rolls Royces and balling. I saw that the guy bought the yeah
What was it the assistant?
It was the it wasn't the vice president
But it was some like government figure bought like car and said, why are you buying insane cars
when you're in the middle of a war?
How do you have the money?
Yeah, there might be some rations you might wanna buy.
Okay, so there's the system.
I think Vivek called it the managerial class
or something like that, which I thought was a good term.
But okay, the money is going
to these different industries first.
So it's kind of staying in America,
which does, I guess, boost our economy in some way.
Like those people need to hire people.
The economy starts to do-
That's a good way to look at it.
No, but I mean, no, for real, like,
it's like they have to hire people,
they have to pay people,
and that's why war is good for the economy.
And if the economy is built on this military industrial
complex or whatever it is,
we constantly need conflict in order to continue the positive momentum of the economy.
But they can't say that.
They can't go, hey, we need war
in order for the economy to be good.
They're not thinking about the economy.
They're thinking about the money
that they are specifically going to make
from these transactions.
They're not thinking about, oh, we're gonna do this
good for the economy.
They're thinking this is an opportunity
to get a massive contract.
They're in the business of constantly making more money.
When you're in a corporation, especially a publicly traded
corporation, you have an obligation to your shareholders
to make more money.
You have a board.
You have people that have dumped $100 million
into the company, and they're staring at you,
like, what are we doing to maximize profits?
And just like if you're, you know, working for CNN, you know, if someone starts
saying that the vaccines might be killing kids, you got to step in and go, there's no
evidence for this. You got to cover. You're covering for this. Everyone's covering. And
if you're the head of a corporation, it's your job to get these contracts. It's a sociopathic sort of a situation
You know one's looking at it. Like what is the big picture?
Does this really need to be happy isn't there some sort of a diplomatic approach that remain?
What were the factors that led us to get into the situation in the first place? What's going on with NATO?
Yeah, why are they moving weapons closer and closer to Russia's border?
Yeah, maybe there's a diplomatic solution that could stop the death of hundreds of thousands of innocent people but no no make that chatter let's go
let's go yeah yeah yeah yeah attach it to different bills right like attach it
to the border bill yeah we gotta educate those Russians about our fucking bombs.
That's part of the education bill.
They gotta know about a Tomahawk missile bitch.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So how do you stop that?
Money.
And the problem is it's already been embedded, right?
It's like trying to tell the mob you can't make money anymore.
Like you have to do some radical things to get the mob out of businesses, right?
And that's what they had to do with Giuliani in New York with the John Gotti and the families
and locking everybody up.
Like you can't just say, hey guys, stop doing that.
That's what they do.
It's what they do.
That's what they did with Iraq.
That's what they did with Afghanistan.
It's what they did with Vietnam.
They do it with everything. That's what Eisenhower warned the American people about
when he was leaving office,
which is one of the craziest videos in human history,
where he's saying the military industrial complex
wants to go to war.
That there's a machine that wants to go to war,
and you have to be very careful of it.
What is the history of this?
So World War II, the whole country turns into a war machine,
is that essentially? Exactly.
And which was beneficial for us, right?
Great for the economy, great for a lot of things,
great to unite us. Great for freedom,
great for not speaking fucking German
for the rest of our existence.
But, and it turns into a war machine,
like Ford just starts making tanks.
Like everybody shifts their goal, right?
Is that essentially what happens when?
Well, a lot of people definitely shift their,
I mean, Ford obviously kept making cars,
but a lot of people do shift their businesses.
But I think Ford also started making military vehicles.
Did they?
Makes sense.
That was my understanding is that like every business
start to prioritize the war effort.
Right, definitely.
And then, not overnight, but pretty quickly,
the whole country had one singular focus, which was,
if we need to go to war, we can turn it over.
It's like, I think that's what Napoleon did, actually.
That was one of how he was so effective.
He turned the whole country into a war machine.
Whereas before, it was like, wait,
I thought we were just lining up in the field
and banging back and forth against each other.
He was like, no, no, you're fighting the whole country.
So then when we get to turn over and flip,
and Ford starts making vehicles,
or whatever the fucking needs for the military effort
We have a huge competitive advantage
The money that comes in through that and fact check me on this please but like the money that starts to be generated by that
Is very hard to relinquish when the war is done, right? The war stops and then people go whoa
We were making a hundred million a year during war right? I want to go back to 20 million, right?
So we need more wars.
Is that the idea?
Yeah, that's definitely a part of the idea.
It's also connected to a lot of other things too
that you wouldn't think about, like subsidizing food.
So subsidizing farmers.
So like, can you hear about corn subsidies?
Like we have corn subsidies,
that's why there's corn syrup and everything.
There's, you know, corn.
We picked a crop that could feed 300 million people
and it just happened to be corn.
Well, what happened was during World War Two, they started
to subsidize farmers so that they would have a surplus. So in case another war breaks out,
we're good. They always have, they have food storage, right? They have the ability to feed
the country, even if we're cut off from the rest of the world. And when you're dependent upon foreign countries
for different things like grains and medicines,
and that's one of the things we found out during COVID,
right, a lot of medicine is made in China.
And a lot of it was very hard to come by during COVID
because of the transportation issues.
Isn't that one of the issues with Ukraine?
I'm sure.
Is that there's not, not with the medicine,
but with actual grain. Like it's one of the largest grain producers in the world.. Is that there's not with medicine, but with actual grain.
Like it's one of the largest grain producers in the world.
Right, yes.
So I think there even had to be like an agreement between Russia and Ukraine to continue sending out grain during the conflict.
Wild. Wild. The rules of war are so wild.
Like when someone says it's a war crime, you know?
Yeah, yeah know Who decides?
Levels you can only kill people certain ways like one of the wildest ones was also during World War one
It's a guy named Fritz Haber and Fritz Haber
He created the Haber method of extracting nitrogen from the atmosphere. That's responsible for
Some crazy number today. This method is responsible for something about,
see if this is true.
I think it's something around 50% of the nitrogen
in human bodies today exists because of the Haber method.
So 50% of the nitrogen from your food
has been extracted from the atmosphere by the Haber method
in order to provide fertilizer for plants that we use,
especially when you talk about industrialized fertilizer and commercial grade fertilizer,
they have to spray it because the topsoil is all dead for a lot of these modern industrial
monocrop agriculture establishments.
So Fritz Haber creates this, but he also creates Zyklon A. He created this gas that they were using.
He used the gas, they turned it to Zyklon B.
They took the smell out of it so they could kill the Jews with it.
And he also used the gas when they were gassing allied troops in World War I.
This was the first time that that had been done.
It's chemical warfare.
Massive fans and gas and they would blow it onto these soldiers and kill
them all.
Yeah.
And so he was both being recommended for the Nobel Prize and being a war criminal at the
same time.
He was wanted for crimes against humanity at the same time.
He created the Haber method.
What's the matter Jamie?
Nearly 50% of the nitrogen found in human tissues originated from the Haber-Bosch process.
Thus Haber process serves as the detonator of the population explosion enabling the global
population to increase from 1.6 billion in 1900 to 7.7 billion by 2018.
Reverse fuel technology converts electrical energy water and air into
ammonia
without a separate hydrogen electrolysis process
so this is his probably who's a legitimate genius
and his story is so fucking tragic
when he was leaving to uh... go uh... to the front lines to war to use his gas
it was so controversial the there was so much,
his wife committed suicide in front of him,
shot herself in the heart, and he left her
to go to the front line while she was still alive.
He left her with his 13-year-old son to take care of her
while she tried to kill, and she eventually died.
But I mean, he was, his whole life became.
Did he feel remorse for this at all?
I don't know, I don't know. But eventually,
during World War II, he was a Jew, and he saw all of his other Jewish friends that were scientists
get pushed out and arrested and all these different things that happened to him, and he wound up
fleeing, and he died while he was fleeing. I think he died of heart failure. He was probably just wracked with stress.
I mean, the guy, his whole life.
I mean, what did you do?
What did you do?
You created this amazing thing that allows nitrogen
to get into the soil and feed millions of people,
stop starvation for millions of people.
And you also created the gas that's killing your own people
in concentration camps. And you also created war gas that's killing your own people in concentration camps.
And you also created war crimes
by being the first government, the first army
to spray chemicals at the troops
that just kills everybody indiscriminately.
Men, women, children, anybody downwind, dead.
So then who decides, like when is there the conversation
where all the countries unanimously agree on what are war crimes and what are not?
Like you can kill someone with a bullet, that's okay. Right? As long as they are not an innocent civilian.
Yeah, but then what about metadata, right? Do you know how they target some people with bombs
Okay, so let's say you're a terrorist and let's say you're hanging out in this building and the government knows where you are
Because they have your cell phone so they have the metadata of yourself so they know your cell phone is in this room
Boom over everybody dead everybody dead not just you not just me not just Jamie security staff
This is everybody drones right the way next door. Yeah, that's what they do. Yeah
Yeah, so, you know what the percentages of innocent people that die in drone strikes 99
We don't know really because here's the problem then this is this has to be like you have to be kind of honest about this like
They lie to right like they'll say I'm a bad guy right they'll say oh you killed 30 children
And you know they'll take photos and you're so you're getting some of the information as far as they never know good shot
Right yeah
So we don't know the exact numbers. There's estimated numbers, but for sure
It's not more bad guys. For sure, it's more innocents than it is bad guys.
And the high estimates are in like the 80 and 90%
of innocent civilians that die in drone strikes.
And what is the justification?
Because there's a bad guy over there.
We gotta get that bad guy.
And it's in another country.
So when it's in another country,
you can kinda get away with some shit.
But also I imagine the justification is like
that one bad guy could've killed
hundreds of thousands of other good guys.
That's their steel man argument for it, I imagine.
Because they also have to have a justification.
It can't happen without them going,
hey, we've thought about this.
Exactly.
And then imagine the person that you need
to pull the trigger on that or push the button, right?
Like the constitution that they have to have.
Yeah.
That's a lot of guilt. This is goes back to the sociopathy
Oh, they have massive PTSD
Yeah, yeah those people that run they say it's a unique form of PTSD because they weren't really there right
They're behind a fucking video console. So the Xbox controller
Do have presidents ever said that like
Have like did Lincoln write anything about the death toll
during the Civil War?
That's a good question.
Like I wonder if even modern day,
like does Obama talk about it?
The people that died, the Bushes?
I think you can't.
George Bush has handled Iraq better than anybody in history.
Just been painting.
He's just, yeah.
Painting dogs and shit.
He's giving little fucking lozenges to Michelle.
Like there's nothing that's going on.
And maybe you need somebody that's kind of
not got a lot going on up there to do it.
Well I don't think it's a coincidence
that they made movies about Dick Cheney afterwards.
They made him out to be this monster.
Is that, I feel like that's taking all accountability
away from the guy who was in charge.
It's very easy to be like, yeah, it was just him.
This guy's gotta co-sign it too and that's the job.
If you're the head coach of the team and the assistant coach is making all the bad decisions,
we still blame the head coach, right?
He's also the son of a great man.
And you know, when your dad is Herbert Walker Bush, who was the head of the CIA, and you
know, you are second fiddle, you're good at taking directions.
And that's why you'd make a good president.
You're a good, handsome man,
we're gonna smoke them out of their holes.
You look like a president,
and then looks like an old dick
take things behind the scenes.
And just look at the evidence of what they did, right?
One of the things that they give Halliburton,
no bid contracts for fucking billions of dollars
to rebuild Iraq.
How wild is this? That the guy who was the vice president was on the board of his?
It was he was like the fucking he was the head of Halbert was he getting a piece during his presidency?
Yes, yeah, that seems like a conflict of interest
It's like their decisions that are causing these places to get blown up.
If I make money on buildings...
Dick Cheney resumes role as chairman of Halliburton Company.
Oh, he's back!
Wow.
When is this?
This is after he left office?
I might have... 2000. So yeah, this was actually before.
Right?
Well, no, this was during the Bush administration, right?
Effective today, 2000. He became president right around right then right he
resumed his role while he was vice president no that's what I don't I
thought I missed read what was happening here because this said but it says I
clicked that first here right Cheney will succeed Bill Bradford click it again
but then it's like an okay dick Cheney resumes role Bill Bradford. Click it again? But then it's like an old-
Okay, Dick Cheney resumes role. This is a new article, it says.
So look at what it says.
Dick Cheney has resumed role of Chairman of Board of Halliburton effective today, February 1st, 2000.
That's weird that it just came out.
Weird, continuing his current position as Chief Executive Officer of the company, joining Halliburton.
So this was right before the election
I think this is the announcement when yeah, I think I got confused but February 1st
2000 means he's already in office correct or is it 2001?
It's January 2001 Bush goes into office right election was 2000. Yeah, so this is 11 months earlier
So is he even named as vice president yet?
So this is 11 months earlier, so is he even named as vice president yet?
Not well is he running with him at that time? I became vice president January 20 It's almost one year later right, but I'm saying is he named as vice president during the as a running mate?
Right because that's generally a little later once someone wins the primaries they announced their VP
Yeah, but if you're not actually a president you can hold another position or vice president if you're not actually in government you can up to that
I would like to be yes. You'd like to meet him. Yeah, I just talked to him about I wouldn't want to dig
I would just talk to him. I just want to find out what makes him tick. What do you think?
Halberton reportedly reached the agreement on July 20th to allow Cheney to retire with a package of an estimated 20 million. Let's go dick. I
Mean pulled it off man. Do you ever wish you didn't know all this stuff?
Yes, the ignorance is bliss. Yes. I feel a
Tremendous weight of the amount of people that pay attention to the shit. I say it's a tremendous weight
of people that pay attention to the shit I say. It's a tremendous weight.
So you feel like there's some things,
like I would rather just be a hayseed,
just fucking hanging out on my farm in Kansas,
shooting deer with bows and arrows.
Well, that's what I was gonna ask,
like when you're out shooting deer.
That's my favorite time that I'm disconnected.
I don't have cell phone service, I don't have shit.
You're not thinking about the deep state.
No, man, I'm thinking about mountain. You're not thinking about the deep state. No man, I'm thinking about mountain lions
and I'm thinking about bugling elk.
I'm thinking how my cardio is,
do I get enough electrolytes in me this morning,
make sure my protein take is right.
I'm going eight fucking miles a day in the mountains.
You like hard shit.
That's something I've noticed about you
and I think it's a really important thing to,
it's an important quality to have
as you achieve more success.
Because with success, life can get easier.
So if you're not addicted to difficulty
and like hard situations,
it's easy to just kind of fall into the comfort of nothing.
Because there was a guy who I had on the podcast,
Russ, who's just, he was awesome artist.
But he was like, yeah, once you get money,
like things become easy, and then anything that's not easy,
you get very anxious about and fearful of.
So you like hard things.
You admire David Goggins,
because he's doing hard shit all the time.
I think a lot of times people don't like hard things.
And then when they get success,
hard things make them anxious,
and they stop doing hard things.
And hard things are what make us successful.
When we have nothing, we have to do hard things.
We have to go up in front of crowds that might not be good.
We have to go run fucking really hard.
We have to work out really hard, whatever it is.
And I wonder if that's when kids who grow up
with very wealthy parents are not used to hard things
and they don't really have to do anything hard.
And if they don't have that as a core value to them,
that doing hard things is good,
of course they're gonna be anxious about everything,
of course they're gonna use drugs,
of course they're gonna be bored out of their fucking mind.
So it's one of those things that,
as I've gotten a potentially more comfortable life, I have of those things that like, I don't know, as I've gotten potentially more comfortable
life, I like have to like force myself to do things
I'm afraid of, or I do think that I would just kind of get
weak and fall apart.
Comfort is a warm and enticing poison.
Yep.
And it's a slow poison.
Yep.
You can take a little bit of it on the couch,
just relaxing.
And it is nice.
Take a little of it, it's nice.
But don't let that get into your veins.
Because it'll make the rest of your life harder.
Because you're going to encounter hard things.
And if the hard thing that you don't voluntarily
subscribe to, the hard thing that you don't force yourself
into, isn't harder than the other things in life,
you're going to have a hard time managing.
Yeah, and it's voluntary.
It has to be voluntary.
You have to choose it.
You have to have discipline.
There's a...
I think characters like cardio,
I think you have to keep it up.
Yep.
I do, I really do.
You take a few weeks off of cardio, you're like,
huh, huh.
I think that's the same with character,
and I think it's the same with doing difficult things,
and also self-assessing, honestly,
knowing where you fucked up. There's moments that you have, I'm sure, in your life
where you look back, it might have been 10 years ago,
you're like, fuck, why did I say that to that dude?
I didn't need to say that, I shouldn't have said that.
God, I was just in the wrong place, wrong time,
wrong head space, why did I do that?
Oh, I was drunk, why did I say that?
Why did I do that?
Those things, you should know those too.
You don't absolve yourself of those things.
Know those things are real,
and just always constantly strive to do better.
The problem is when people fuck up,
they think of themself as that fuck up,
and that's a difficult thing for someone with a bad past,
like dudes have been in jail, it's really difficult for them.
That becomes their identity.
It becomes a part of who you recognize,
that's a part of your behavior characteristics.
You don't think of yourself as the best you
when you made the right decision,
when your friend calls you and you could tell him,
I'm busy bro, I can't help you.
You'd be like, I can put that shit aside, go help my boy.
And go help your friend and then you show up for him,
he's like, dude, you're here for me, thank you brother.
Appreciate it so much man.
And you're helping him fix his tire or move
or whatever the fuck it is.
Those moments, man, like unite human beings.
They're like very, very important moments
and that's what everybody should strive for.
You should strive for the moments when you worked
really hard at something and you accomplished it.
When you didn't wanna get through a workout
but you did it, when you finished the marathon,
when you apologized for being out of line,
when you told people how you feel about them,
even though it felt vulnerable,
I just want to tell you I love you so much,
you inspire me, you're an amazing human being,
and I'm so happy you're in my life.
That's what we all should be aspiring towards,
aspiring to be better versions of ourselves.
And aspiring to put ourselves in situations that we fear.
Like everything you want is on the other side
of what you fear.
Somebody said that.
And I really believe it though.
Every situation I put myself in that I'm scared of
or anxious about, even if it doesn't work out perfectly,
I do feel this confidence boost that I at least tried.
You know what I mean?
I at least fucking tried. I was scared of doing it and I fucking tried and then if it works out
It's the best feeling in the world. Yeah, I think out. Yeah, that's the worst. That's the worst feeling
It is the fucking worst the worst feeling that's the importance of like
Like the nice thing about stand-up. I guess is it like we know that we can't take months off. Right.
It atrophies fast.
Fast, weeks off.
Yeah.
It's like we have to go up.
We have to constantly go up.
And yeah, there are things in life
that are a million times more difficult
that people have to do,
but it is one of those things that's built into the thing
that we kind of love,
which is we have to keep doing this.
And every time we try something new, it's bad.
Yeah, but we're also addicted to that accomplishment vibe,
that accomplishment energy.
Like when you get, that feeling is, amazing feeling,
oh fuck, I did it.
I also like the chaos of it.
I like it when there's, like,
I was hanging on the beach with my wife on Sunday,
and I'm like, I'm really bad with vacations
if I don't have things to do during it
I can't just hang on the beach. Yeah, I cannot do it if I'm surfing I can do it or I'm playing paddle
I can do it, but I need to do shit right give me something to do right and my wife knows
I don't care if we're looking at the Coliseum. I'm learning. I'm asking a fucking tour guide questions
Look, I need to do a thing. Yeah, because if I'm not
My brain goes fucking crazy. It needs to be occupied. Yeah if I'm not, my brain goes fucking crazy.
It needs to be occupied.
I'm lucky that I have that.
Imagine I was really comfy doing nothing.
Why would I do anything?
It's a superpower, but it has to be managed.
It's like having a Ferrari engine.
What do you mean?
If you have a Ferrari engine in a fucking Toyota Corolla,
that shit doesn't have the tires for it. Yeah, yeah, yeah,olla yeah like that shit doesn't have
the tires for it yeah yeah yeah you know you you have to learn how to manage that
kind of a mind and you've built up a suspension and wide tires and strong
carbon fiber ceramic brakes it's like you gotta have all those things so is
that what you're constantly doing? Are you constantly looking for more shit
you're afraid of in your life?
Well, difficult things.
I like difficult things.
I like, that's why I like cold plunging.
I like it because it's hard.
People are like, I hate it.
I hate fun, I fucking like it.
I don't like it.
Every time I'm about to do it,
there's this little bitch ass part of my brain
that's like, don't do this, you don't need to do this.
And the other part of my brain is I've built up over the years like shut
up pussy I'm the boss so it's building the discipline it's not even like okay
yeah there are great was it not side effects but are there great main effects
come the inflammation goes down whatever yeah it's more about building the
fucking discipline to do the shit you don't want to do yeah but also because
it's good for you if it was bad for me if I didn't want to do it and every time
I did it it was killing me a little bit I wouldn't do it but I because it's good for you. If it was bad for me, if I didn't wanna do it, and every time I did it, it was killing me a little bit,
I wouldn't do it.
But I do it because I know it's good for you,
and I know you feel great when you get out of it.
But Goggins, I'm sure, running all those fucking miles,
like his joints are destroyed, his feet are fucked up,
there's a certain point of diminishing returns.
Yes.
But.
But also you have to have the outlier.
Which is?
You have to have the dude that's pure mind
That's all just on the drive and that's Goggins you have to have the guy so he's the extreme version of discipline
Common amongst uncommon men amongst all the psychos out there. He's king psycho
So it's not that he runs long
It's that he will do the thing despite that little voice inside of him saying you don't want to do this
And you'll tell you he has that voice. He was I stare my sneakers sometimes for 30 minutes for I put those motherfuckers on
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, he'll tell you but he always wins
It's like the dude when I'm taking the lid off that cold plunge. Yeah as I'm taking it off
They're like don't do it don't do it. I'm like shut the fuck up. You got three more apps of Shogun.
I set my watch, beep, beep, beep,
and I climb right in.
Yeah.
Yeah, yeah.
And because I get through it every day,
I start the day off with a win.
I won, I beat the inner bitch.
I conquered the inner bitch.
I got in there, and then I do the workout.
That's win number two.
So by the time the day is over,
I've done shit that most people will never do.
What do you feel when you're on vacation?
Do you feel that you-
Like a crazy person.
Do you feel like a wolf on a fucking inflatable pool toy
in the ocean.
Just going, what am I doing on this fucking thing?
Is your wife going, hey, you need to chill out?
Well, I know how to do it now. First first of all every day starts out with a workout you do have to have to yeah
I told them I told I was like listen we can go to these places the first three hours of the day
Yeah, I'm doing what I need to do. Yeah, once I calm it all down
Let's fucking drink a whatever on the beat. I don't care. But the first three, I need to do what I need to do.
I need breaks, breaks are good,
but I don't really need a vacation,
because my life is awesome, I love it.
I've cultivated a wonderful life.
I love my family, I love my friends, I love my jobs.
So I'm happy, I'm a happy dude with what I do.
So when I go on vacation, it's like, okay, I just wanna just have fun with the family,
do a bunch of things, but I have to do something
about this thing.
And your family knows?
This bitch, yes, they know me.
What about your kids, are they like,
okay, he just needs to work out?
They get it.
Do they have it too?
Yeah, yeah, they both have it.
Really?
Yeah, they both have some psycho drive.
One of them for art, the other one is gymnastics.
And when you see it manifested, like for example,
do you see them looking like the wolf
when you guys are all on vacation?
Do you see them kind of pacing around?
They have to do things.
You have to keep them busy.
Like I had a conversation with my middle daughter
and at one point in time, she was like,
when we first moved here, she was real anxious.
And I go, you're a race horse.
You gotta get back to racing.
You gotta get back to competing again.
And as soon as she went back to that, everything was fine.
She just was like, you know, didn't know
we're in a new place, making new friends.
But there's like physical anxiety
that comes with being a human being
that I think activity diminishes.
And you need something like that.
You need the hardest thing of your day
to be something that you choose.
You know, it might not be, obviously circumstances are random and you could have
a terrible thing happen to you. But if you've built up your understanding of how to get
through difficult things, it'll serve you in everything you do. And if you do it voluntarily,
then you've gained control over your mental process. You want to zip?
Yeah, let me get that.
So with the kids, is this something you instill in them?
Or is this a little genetic?
You can only do it so much, man.
You gotta be real loose handed.
You gotta let them be their own thing.
They're their own little people.
It's very fascinating.
Are you rewarding and lighting the fire
once you see that they're really drawn to something for sure yeah
Yeah, so you wait for them to choose yeah, and you lean the fuck in yeah
Well you just praise is very important for kids
It means a lot it could really motivate them to excel to higher and higher levels
Is that easy for you to to give them the positive encouragement? Oh, it's so easy
Yeah, my youngest is an insane artist dude. Let me see. I'm gonna show you this. She's 13. Wow. Dude she was doing
crazy crazy work when she was six. I showed one of her things to David Cho
when she was like six or seven he was was like, holy fuck man. Like dude, she's crazy talented. Jesus.
Yeah.
And she'll
How old is she?
She's 13.
She'll sit and she'll draw for hours and hours, man,
just completely locked in and focused.
And you know, when I was young,
I wanted to be a comic book illustrator.
So I was an artist when I was young,
but I wasn't as good as her.
I wasn't as good, I don't think I'm as good as her now, and she's 13. Do you it's crazy
Do you find yourself competing with them at all? No, no, no, no unless we're playing games. That's what I'm saying
Yeah, I'm gonna win you okay. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Do you ever trying to win? Okay? You won't give them a you won't give nothing no
Interesting no doesn't drive them crazy when they lose no they win they win a lot man
Okay, I think we did virtual reality and my 13 year old beat me at this sword fighting game
And she fucking loved it. She killed me and it's like one of these you know what sandbox is you know sandbox?
Oh, this is the it's the dopest sandbox. You're in a warehouse. Okay. I love it
You have a haptic feedback vest my My favorite one is the zombie one.
But we compete in the zombie one too.
Hold on, hold on, hold on.
This is a console that you're wearing?
Like VR goggles or something?
No, no, okay, you go to a place.
It's called Sandbox VR.
It's a big warehouse.
And inside these warehouses,
they have these spaces that are a little larger
than this room.
Okay.
Okay, and in this space,
they give you a virtual reality headset, they give you a haptic feedback vest. You can feel... You feel like
shh shh shh like you're getting hit or you're getting grabbed by zombies and then they
give you a gun. You have a plastic gun, okay? And then you see yourself, you
see everybody, everybody's like tactical ops outfits on and shit with helmets and
you're like, woo! You high-five, you dance, you see each other dressed as these characters.
And then, you know, it's basically mapped out to the size of your body and they put
you in these things.
So, and then like they drop you off in Deadwood Mansion.
And Deadwood Mansion is this haunted house and this like crazy scientist who've developed
zombies and the zombies start invading the house.
And you're just gunning them down.
And we always compete to see who kills the most zombies.
But I have a lot of gun experience.
I fucked those zombies up, man.
I at one point in time had number three in the country, the number three score in the
country.
Yeah, bro.
I went ham.
So this is it.
So let me just give you a pro tip.
If you want this, if you want this you want this game get the shotgun
Shotgun face shots you want face shots on zombies
Yeah, don't be fucking around with the legs see the machine guns are fun and everything like that
And you reload by just going like this yeah, just point the gun down and it reloads, bro. It's so fun
I'm so addicted to this game that you're in this house
And it's all like dark and shadowy and shit and the
Light from your pistols what's lighting these zombies? Yeah, bro. It's so much fun
but
But yeah, I always try to win
Zombies so at the end of the day get the VIP. What is the VIP VIP is the most valuable player MVP?
Yeah, it's VIP though, very important player.
Or I don't know if they say MVP, but either way, I always win that shit.
Oh wait, I'm not letting anybody win.
So the competitive instinct cannot go away.
As long as it's like you're just understanding that everyone's just trying their best.
So when they beat you, like oh my god, they beat me at a game or something like that,
like god damn it.
They love it.
They love it. I'm like, you got me. But it's fun when they win. It's fun if they beat me at a game or something like that, like, God damn it. They love it. They love it.
I'm like, you got me.
But it's fun when they win.
It's fun when they beat you.
It's your child that's doing something really good.
How old are they now?
13 and 15, the youngest ones.
Okay.
And when they were, are there moments that you-
How old is your kid now?
Eight weeks.
Wow.
So yeah, I'm like, are there,
everybody I talked to goes, it goes by really fast.
That's the first thing they all say when I say 80s.
And what are the moments in this stretch
that you wish that you kind of held on to longer
or you didn't realize how amazing they were
until they were gone?
I don't really think like that.
Nothing, okay.
I don't think like that.
I'm happy, you know?
And I'm happy they're healthy and I'm happy they're,
you know, look, I have friends that have kids that have real problems real health problems. It's the most heartbreaking
Devastating thing to see someone going through the the real struggles of a kid that is your child
It's all fucked up. So number one was healthy. Yeah, like everybody was like, don't you want a boy?
I'm like, I want healthy kids
Yeah, I don't care if it's a girl or boy. I really genuinely didn't care
I just want them to be happy and healthy. Well, you don't like girls like what he's saying. Yeah, you only want boys
Plus if I had boys it would come with the added responsibility of training a psycho
Yeah, yeah, cuz I'm assuming they're gonna be like a little me
Yeah, and like if I didn't find martial arts, I would have been a real problem. What do you
mean? If I didn't find some outlet, some competitive, like dangerous outlet to test me as a man.
Yeah. I was an angry kid, man. What it's not good to grow up a boy and be an angry boy
and not have an outlet.
You won't have control of it.
Why do you think you were angry?
I think a lot of it is genetic.
Really?
Yeah, I think a lot of people,
like what's inside of them is genetic,
it's learned experience,
being around violence when I was young.
There's quite a few things that I think are attached to it,
but I think there's some part of it's genetic. There's some part of drive, I think are attached to it, but I think there's some part of its genetic
There's some part of drive. I think that's genetic too, which is interesting when you see your kids have it
Yeah, I've talked to friends about that who have multiple kids and they can see it in some and in others
They just don't really see it. It's out of the box. They're different. Yeah. Yeah
like my
15 yearold is like hyper-focused on things, hyper-focused on athletics, hyper-focused,
but also very loved.
Like, doesn't have this desire to prove herself like I had.
I was like, I'm not a loser.
I'm gonna show everybody that I'm not a loser.
That was like my drive as a kid.
And martial arts were the first thing that I ever did
where I was like, hey, I'm not a loser.
But it's also the most humbling thing.
Oh, the most humbling.
Yeah, the most humbling, but I got good at it quick.
I was very lucky.
But there's always someone better, I don't know.
But I got lucky that I was going into it at the right time.
I had some athletic experience.
I had wrestled, I'd done baseball, I'd played some sports.
I wasn't totally inept.
When I played baseball, Well, I was so selfish
I would never try to get on first
Or I strike out and they would always tell me just get on base like right and I'd get up there
I don't give a fuck what you just said. Yeah, that balls coming. I'm either gonna be a loser or a hero
Let's go a hundred percent. I never did not try to hit a home run and they would always be mad at me because I could hit home runs
But I could also strike out. Yeah, I struck out a lot, but if I connected I had some fucking crank
Yeah, I sent that ball flying. I loved it. I loved watching that ball fly over the fence
Like yeah, I am never not gonna do that like if you tell me like just bunt
So I can't my dick. I'm not bunting. I don't give a fuck if we lose
I don't care. That's why you can't do the team sports. That's why it has to be the one-on-one
Yeah, we lost cuz Billy dropped the ball. Yeah, fuck yourself. Yeah. Yeah, I did. Yeah, I know what I can do
You know when it's my time at bat. I'm in hitting home runs. So when I found that there was martial arts,
it was something that's just me only.
It's just me.
And I can get better based entirely on how much effort
I put into it, then I just became obsessed.
But you still love the camaraderie.
I love the camaraderie.
But you learn from the other people
that are also doing the thing.
I wasn't competitive with them
where I had to be better than them.
I wanted to be better than the people I was competing against
and they helped me to get better.
These are who?
These are the people I train with.
Yeah, those are family.
I'm still very good friends with one of my guys
that I trained with back then.
I talk to them all the time.
Yeah, I've known them since I was 52.
Two guys, two of those guys.
I've known them since I was 15 years old.
One of them's just out here to visit
It's it's funny that you see it even in martial arts like, you know
When a guy wins the first thing he does is often compliment his coaches and it's a hundred percent and you're everything
We need that we need that shared. Yes. I've always got that in team sports
I love that like a team win like with me and four other guys playing basketball when we're not as talented as the other team
And you win but we win. Yes, they just going out for beers afterwards talking about our basketball when we're not as talented as the other team. And you win. But we win?
Yes.
Just going out for beers afterwards,
talking about our, I mean we're old fucking guys,
our knees don't work.
But that's more of a cooperative thing than being at bat.
That's what I like.
The thing about being at bat though is like,
uh-uh, this is just me.
Yeah.
Like I'm not passing them,
but look, if I could pass the ball over to you
and you're open and you can get a clean shot,
I would 100% do that if I was playing team sports yeah I wouldn't be greedy like that yeah but
baseball yeah you going for it it's just me yeah you going for it. That ball's coming.
I'm sending this bitch into orbit. We only need a single joke.
They would always get mad at me yeah this one coach it was like very
strategic always trying to win yeah and he knew that if he put me up there, I was cranking that ball.
Yeah.
But that is, yeah.
But I just wasn't designed for baseball.
But that's you in life though.
Right.
But if I could figure out something
where I would be 100% of my own,
when I got in there, like fighting,
it's 100% just you or comedy.
You built this team, you built all these friends,
this community, but when you're on stage, it's just you.
It's all you, it has to be you, yeah.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
But those people also help you get better.
Like when I'm doing shows and Shane Gillis is on the show
and Ron White and Bryan Simpson and Hinchcliffe,
Derrick Poston, and I would go on stage
an hour and a half into that too.
Dude, how funny is Derrick, man?
Derrick is so good. Derrick has grown so much has grown. He's grown so much and being at the club like he's doing so many sets
He's just grateful. He's going little boy fat man. He's going back and forth to the rooms
He's doing all these sets on the road. Yeah, yeah
He's doing a true like team guy like he comes from sports in that way like he's like he wants the show to be great
Yeah, he wants to I mean he's just great. He's a fucking great. He's a gem of guy, he comes from sports in that way. He wants the show to be great. He wants to, he's a fucking great dude.
He's a gem of a human being.
And a happy sweetheart of a guy, everybody loves Derek.
He's so grateful for you, man.
And just the club and the experience.
Well he was one of the first guys to take a chance
and come out here.
I was like, I'm with you Joe.
I'm like, all right, let's do it.
And he is, if he says that, he means that shit.
Oh yeah, yeah.
And watching him grow, dude. But he knew also, when I told him I was gonna do it, I'm like, all right, he is like if he says that he means that shit. Oh, yeah Yeah, and watching him grow dude, like but he knew also when I told them I was gonna do it
I'm like we're gonna do this. Yeah, we're gonna do this gonna be the greatest club in the world
Yeah, which is crazy thing to say to pop up a scene in the middle of Texas
But we did it it's insane
But we did it because the guys like Derek you guys like a son and Brian Simpson and Tony Hinchcliffe, those guys who moved here early, Tom Segura moved here early when he says I'm in.
When Tom Segura said I was in early on, I was like, oh shit, this is happening.
Because Tom did it early in the pandemic.
I bought this house, I sent him a video from my backyard, I go, boys, what are you doing?
Get the fuck out of there.
Get the fuck out of LA, it's on fire.
I go, no one here has a mask on.
I go, I think this is bullshit.
Come down, let's have a good time, let's hang out.
And Tom was like, I'm in.
He came out here early.
That means a lot to you, I felt.
Oh yeah.
Yeah, because it was a crazy chance
I was asking people to take.
It wasn't just, I'm gonna open up a club in Pasadena.
It wasn't like I bought the ice house.
Like if I bought the ice house,
and the ice house was for sale for a while.
And you know, Jerry Bus bought it, right?
So I bought it.
Yeah, owner of the Lakers or whatever.
And they redid it, and I'm super happy that they did that
because it's an amazing club and I love that place.
But at one point in time, I was thinking about buying
the ice house.
I remember you telling me that.
I was like, maybe I just buy that place.
But if I ask guys to come to the ice house, that's easy.
That's a 20 minute drive.
No sacrifice, there's no commitment.
You stay in your same house.
It had to be all those factors happening at the same time.
It had to be COVID, it had to be this weird way
that they were governing these cities
and that they weren't doing it in other parts of the country,
particularly Florida and here.
And also that you couldn't do standup.
You couldn't do any standup in LA.
They were stopping outside stand-up at the park,
at the comedy store, in the parking lot.
They wouldn't let them do comedy outside.
It didn't make any sense.
It was all crazy.
And it was going on forever.
And we were out here doing shows,
and we were putting it up on Instagram,
and everyone was like, this is crazy.
What the fuck is happening?
These motherfuckers are doing shows.
And we first started doing live shows indoors in November of 2020 and it felt so wrong
What are we doing?
I did one weekend out here in July of 2020 and I decided after it that I couldn't do it anymore
I didn't get sick, but I was like, but what if I did and what if I gave it to someone?
What if that person died like what if I gave it to a guest you felt a responsibility but I was like, but what if I did? And what if I gave it to someone? And what if that person died? Like, what if I gave it to a guest?
You felt a responsibility.
I was terrified.
Yeah.
Because I felt like I would never forgive myself
if I had some wonderful, sweet scientist as a guest
and I gave that person COVID and they wound up dying
because I was so selfish that I had to go on the road
and do stand up.
This is the empathy thing.
Yeah, so I was like, I can't do that.
You're not a sociopath.
Well, it's also just-
You're not good for the CIA, Joe.
Terrible for the CIA. I'll be terrible. I would be good if you get me in that UFO do that. You're not a sociopath. Well, it's also just. You're not good for the CIA, Joe. Terrible for the CIA.
I'll be terrible.
I would be good if you get me in that UFO program though.
I'll keep my mouth shut.
Promise.
Wait, wait, what is this UFO?
Get me in the UFO.
Show me what you got!
Show me what you got, I won't tell anybody.
Do you think they got something?
I'll be a disinformation agent for you.
I will, I will.
You just wanna know.
I will say whatever you need.
Now here's the question.
I will fuck it.
What if they say to you, Joe, you can take the UFO for a spin, but don't floor it.
You can bunt in the UFO.
I would listen because I don't want to turn into jelly.
If you're going faster than your body can tolerate it.
What if they say there's no way that you can die in this machine?
It's built in a way where you cannot die, but we're asking you to bunt
I would but you'd have to but you have to
Come back to the ground you're gonna have to land that they're gonna kill you
Putin's boys
Over the Adriatic Sea listen man. No. Yeah., you gotta, look, if they get you in the UFO,
first of all, I wouldn't ask to pilot it.
I'd just like, take for a spin.
Show me what it's like.
Show me what the fuck this thing does.
Where'd it come from?
Where'd it come from?
And then I'd say, okay, so what do I tell them?
China?
I'll tell them China.
Whatever.
They're freaking Chinese, man.
So that's the last thing.
Chinese are super advanced.
That's the last thing for you?
It's UFO, if once you feel that. Well well it would suck to go to your grave and not know
Because it seems like something for it's not what I thought when I was young when I was young
I thought UFOs are probably real
But a lot of these stories are bullshit
And I don't even know if UFOs actually are real or if people are just liars
or if it's something that we want to believe because of science fiction, Orson Welles and
all that stuff.
But now I don't think that anymore.
Now I think because of talking to guys, well you and I went to dinner with Bob Lazar before
he did the podcast, which was how fascinating was that?
I always tell people, I believe he believes it.
Yeah.
That doesn't mean that it exists,
but I don't think he's a liar.
I don't think he's a liar either,
but I don't know,
because some people are really good at that shit.
Again, I'm just going off of like-
The vibe.
Just the vibe that I got.
Yeah, but the vibe is hard because you want to believe.
He felt like he didn't wanna be there, Joe.
Like, I remember at the dinner, he's like,
listen, I'm not here to prove it.
I don't even need to do it.
I don't like doing this.
It hurts my life.
He said all the maybe the right things,
but he didn't come across as so charismatic.
Like usually people who are really good at lying
are very charismatic.
Also they lie about other stuff too.
Yeah, I mean, I didn't know enough about him to say,
but like he didn't have the charisma
of someone that could like trick and manipulate me.
He came across as pretty authentic
and almost kind of rattled by the whole experience.
It almost felt traumatic when he was talking about it.
It did.
Well, he told us something too that made a lot more sense
because one of the things that he's criticized about
is his education background.
He said he went to MIT,
but he said there's no record of him at MIT.
He's like, yeah, because there wasn't a record of me at MIT because I was involved
in a program that you can't really say. We can't say what he was involved in. But when
you hear what they're involved, what they were actually working on, you go, oh, yeah,
well, that's, you're not even supposed to do that. So I would imagine that if you're
going to get educated in that, it's not important that you get a degree that shows that you
Learned it from these people What's important is you get the information that you need in order to implement this plan?
Yeah, which was wild and you hear that but the thing about it is the other things they try to disprove him on
He has shown that it was accurate one of them that he worked at Los Alamos labs, right?
So they said that he never worked there, but he did work there. Yeah, he there, he's on the employee roster. So not only that, he had an intimate knowledge
of the building.
When George Knapp went with him to Los Alamos Labs,
he knew where everything was,
he knew the security guards, he knew the system.
Who's George Knapp?
George Knapp is an investigative reporter
that broke the story in 1989,
and he's been on it ever since.
And he also does a podcast with Jeremy Corbell
that's all about this phenomenon.
And George Knapp is one of the best journalists
that's ever covered it, because he's, like,
covered it from the beginning, and he will tell you
what he knows and what he doesn't know,
and he's not a bullshitter in any way, shape, or form.
He's a hard-nosed, facts-based journalist
who was the first guy to talk to Lazar.
And Lazar talked to him because he thought
they were gonna kill him.
Because he had started bringing people
to watch the test flights because he got fired,
he got released.
And the reason why he got released is when you're
on top secret clearance, when you're working
for the government and they fly you into area 51
and you're doing fucking work on spaceships,
you're not allowed to tell anybody,
including your wife.
So he'd get a phone call like 11 p.m.
I gotta go to work and he would leave
and the wife was like, this motherfucker's cheating on me.
So she starts having an affair.
So she starts having an affair.
She's cheating back.
Exactly, so she starts having an affair
and she starts having an affair
and all their phones are tapped, of course.
But she doesn't know their phones are tapped
because she doesn't know what he's doing.
Why would she? Because he can't tell her what he's doing.
So she starts fucking this guy and then they're worried that he's going to be in a situation
of emotional turmoil because his wife's having an effect.
So they don't share the information with him.
They just release him. He's now fired.
So he's going back to his friends like, I'm working on fucking UFOs. They have real UFOs. They test them every Wednesday. So he takes
people out to Area 51 to an area that's restricted now. But back then before the
Obama administration came along, in the Obama administration they expand the
boundaries of Area 51. It was the first time they admitted Area 51 even existed.
So they had expanded because too many people were getting close enough to film things.
So these guys went out there and they filmed
these fucking flying saucers flying around.
And they did it.
There's videos of the saucers.
There's videos of these things moving around in the desert.
See if you can find them.
This grainy Area 51 footage.
So they're doing these things where these vehicles
are operating in a way conventional vehicles in 1989
We're absolutely incapable of doing right as far as our understanding of it. He gets arrested. They catch him
What are you doing? And he says he just spills the beans. I got fired
I wanted to let people know that this is real now his life's in danger now
He's like they're gonna fucking kill me
So he contacts George Knapp and he's like I think that if I just go public with this
I'll be nice a little bit. Oh, right. So initially he does it with his face hidden
So the initial interviews he does with his face hidden
He's like silhouetted and then he decides I have to go public with all this so he does these interviews
He's explaining everything he draws diagrams. He explains this element that was only theoretical at that point, was element 115. They didn't find it and proof
of it until they used a particle collider in like the 2000s. I want to say-
They're out in Switzerland or whatever, so-
I want to say like 2013-ish. So this is 1989. This is Bob Lazar in 1989. And this is him explaining all of the different stuff
that he had to do there, where it is. And by the way, at this point in time, this was all just
legend. No one knew if Area 51 was real. And they had these hangars. So these are these crafts that
he brought people out to film. He's like, these things, they move silently, they move with a gravity propulsion system that's operating
off of this element, element 115. And this element 115, when hit with radioactive waves,
it becomes this thing that can manipulate gravity with this generator that is in the
center of these ships.
They don't have any controls.
Everything is controlled, like the human being,
the alien creature, interfaces with this machine,
biologically or through some sort of,
they might not even be human at that point.
They might be like, well, we're going to be.
Some sort of a combination of artificial intelligence and biology or, or, or strictly artificial intelligence at this
point. And these things interact with this craft and that's how it moves. There's no
like buttons you switch like alien and fucking joysticks, like the Millennium Falcon. There's
none of that shit. It's all done with the creature. So he gets in this thing. First
of all, he realizes
there's no seams. It doesn't make any sense. Well, now we know what 3D printing is. Now
you know we can make a thing with no seams. But back then, they don't know what the fuck
it is. And he realized right away, this is not ours. When he first saw it, he thought,
oh, now I know what all this UFO bullshit is about. We have them, it's ours, we're working on this.
That makes sense.
And they actually had an American flag sticker
on one of them.
They put an American flag sticker on one of the UFOs.
Which is smart.
Which is fun.
It's fun.
You want other people to think that's ours, yeah.
But then he gets in and he realizes it's designed
for something that's three feet tall,
there's no seams, there's no controls,
and it has this reactor in the center of it that
defies anything we have any current understanding of.
In terms of like what we believe is possible for propulsion systems, this is something
completely alien.
And it involves a stable element that is only theoretical at this point.
They don't even know it exists in this they they have a triangle
Like a form of this stuff that's in the center of this
like see if you could find the video where he's describing the
Elements the gravity generator, but the elements that triangle thing you're talking about is that the engine or is that essentially?
That's the fuel got it. This thing when bombarded with radiation produces this, I'm obviously butchering this, but produces this, let's see how he explains it. Put the headphones on. Powering the gravity amplifiers.
Do it from the beginning. Here we go. So it's the reactor here, powering the gravity amplifiers,
gravity amplifiers, output goes into the gravity emitters at the
bottom and the resulting gravity beam or anti-gravity wave can be pretty much put anywhere you want
to.
Now I had access and was permitted to view and look at the operation of this main level
with the gravity amplifiers and the level below the gravity emitters
People call these large black rectangular areas on the top portholes. I believe they were
some planar sensor array that
Just took in information from the surrounding area whether it be patterns of stars or
What have you so we got the shape right.
Like the sci-fi people got the shape right.
Well they knew about it a long time ago.
Kenneth Arnold saw flying saucers in the 1950s.
He was a pilot.
He was like one of the first,
see if you can see the Kenneth Arnold sightings.
So one of the first reputable disclosures.
Because it was an American fighter pilot.
And he's seeing these things, and he's describing them as like flying saucers, skipping, and
all of them, they started all happening.
That's what he said he saw.
They started seeing these things right after the bombs dropped.
That's when everything started really popping off in this country.
That's why the rooms in my club are named Fat Man
and Little Boy.
They're named after the atomic bombs.
Because that's what started the whole UFO invasion.
Aliens see this huge explosion.
What are they doing down there?
We gotta go check them out.
I think that kinda checks out.
That's what I would do.
If I was from another planet and I realized,
oh, these territorial primates have just developed
nuclear weapons and they're dropping them out
of propeller planes on cities, yo.
We gotta check this out.
We gotta investigate.
These people are going loco.
For our safety, because they could come for us
if they had this technology.
100%.
What if they developed the ability to traverse the cosmos?
Bro, that's funny.
And then they see that we're just dropping them
on each other and then they're like,
ah, they'll be fine.
Yeah. Depending on who you listen to see what one of the craziest things that was are talked about
was that what human beings are and what this planet is is essentially a farm for souls and
That there's some need for the the essence of a form, a soul. Now, if you've created artificial
intelligence, imagine if there's one hurdle that cannot be bypassed, and that hurdle is
a soul, and that it's actually a real thing, and it's a real, not just an energy, it's a type of matter, it's something.
It's something legitimate that creates
an individual thing, a life form.
And these creatures, maybe they need souls.
So AI is not gonna be sufficient.
I don't know, but this is the weirdest thing
that he talked about.
He said that we're essentially a farm for souls.
But what does that mean? Like, what do they need souls for? But imagine if, like, there
is, like, this process of existence, right? So you have single-celled organisms that eventually
become more advanced, they become predator and prey, and then you have this one intelligent,
dominant form that starts figuring out tools, and that's the primates. And over time, the primates evolve,
and the primates get to the point
where they're starting using machines
and internal combustion engines.
They're using propulsion.
They're using all these different things.
They're figuring out flight.
Then they're figuring out atomic energy and weapons.
And there's this transition that will continue.
And that transition will go into more and more
advanced technology if they don't blow themselves up. So if what our natural
evolution is is to go from being Australia Pythagoras to go from being
you know the cousin of the chimpanzee to being what we are today to being what we
will be in the future. I think what we will be in the future is probably them.
When you see these aliens with these giant heads and little spindly bodies will be in the future. I think what we will be in the future is probably them.
When you see these aliens with these giant heads,
these little spindly bodies and no genitals,
we seem like we're on that path.
Like that seems like a natural,
it doesn't seem like if Bigfoot was flying UFOs,
you'd be like, why are we Bigfoot again?
I thought we passed that.
I thought we evolved past the hairy brutes.
And we became this thing that's like gentle and telepathic
and it doesn't use any muscular force.
Everything is done through telekinesis.
The communication is telepathic.
The communication with the craft is telepathic.
Everything is done through this way
of integration with technology.
Cause they've become physically integrated.
They might not even be biological anymore, but they might still need souls.
Soul might be a force. It might be a thing that's necessary for the cultivation of another version of us on another planet.
If this is a process, just like a garden, right, where you have the soil, you till the soil, you fertilize it, you plant
the seeds, you water it, they grow, the crops grow, and then you harvest them. This is a
process, and that's what human beings are. Just like you have a fucking elk farm in New
Zealand, and that's how you get tenderloins. It's a process. You have to do all these things
to get this result. What if we're a farm for souls?
But who's farming us?
Advanced life forms.
So they need our souls for something.
It's an energy source for them in some way.
It sounds so ridiculous.
No, no, let's go with it.
But it sounds ridiculous even as I'm saying it
and as you're repeating it, like they need us for souls.
It sounds like some L. Ron Hubbard science fiction.
But no, but to me that makes sense,
why they would be concerned about the nuclear bombs
is because if we destroy ourselves,
they no longer have these souls.
We kill the farms.
Exactly.
Yeah, we kill the farms.
Right now the farms doing great.
There's more people than ever.
That's what we like.
As long as we don't have a massive depopulation event
like a nuclear war.
And that makes sense that it would catch their attention.
They'd come in, they'd be like,
yeah, well we gotta kind of shut this thing down.
If we are really the product of accelerated evolution,
which is much speculized.
What does that mean?
We're the product of accelerated evolution.
Which, look, we are very, very, very, very, very different
from everything else on this planet.
By a long stretch.
Not by a couple of years, by a long stretch.
By every other primate, the best they can do is use a stick to get termites
Yeah, you know oh well one thing is orangutan spearfish. Oh, they're making weapons
They figured out how to spearfish didn't they learned it from us apparently yeah, but they can do that orangutans use tools
But isn't there a theory that now they're at a different level in the evolutionary chart. Yeah
Yeah, the current understanding is that
they have begun the Stone Age.
Yeah.
Kind of cool to see it happen.
It's crazy to see it happen.
So have you ever seen the orangutan spearfishing?
No, no, I've shown it.
You guys see this picture.
Jamie, pull it up.
It's bananas.
This orangutan is stabbing fish
while hanging from a tree like this.
He's like stabbing fish with one arm.
Yeah.
Yeah, they figured out how to use tools.
So if, whoa, whoa if whoa, this is actually interesting
So if we're watching them in their Stone Age is completely plausible that some other life form is watching us in
Our advanced state of evolution. Look at that, dude. Get the fuck out in that wild homeboy spear fishing
Hang on with his feet in one arm
Wow, I mean it's nuts man. It's fucking nuts
Wow, he observed local fishermen do it and he figured out how to do it himself pretty fucking crazy Wow
Pretty dope. He's probably the king pimp of all of the right time percent. Yeah, he's the dude to figure it out
They're probably all like whoa. This guy's a wizard. He gets fish
Yeah, he's the dude who figured it out. They're probably all like, whoa, this guy's a wizard.
He gets fish.
Oh, there's a video of it?
I was hoping there was, but I started like,
Holy shit.
Fucking crazy.
Crazy.
So,
I could believe that.
I could subscribe to that.
Things evolved.
If you left them alone like that, spearfishing,
for 500,000 years, a million years,
who knows what they'd probably look like cavemen.
But eventually they look like cavemen,
depending upon what is causing this advancement
and how quickly.
So that's the mushroom question.
So that's the stoned ape theory.
Terrence McKenna believed that it had a lot to do
with the consumption of psilocybin mushrooms.
Yeah, now is the psilocybin mushrooms what?
It allows you to solve problems
in an outside of the box way?
Like what kind of a competitive advantage?
Formation of language through glossolalia.
Like there's glossolalia is like
you start associating sounds with objects and language.
The formulation of language,
then psilocybin would aid in that.
Aiding creativity, aid in visual acuity.
They've done studies where they showed that people under doses of psilocybin detect edges
quicker.
So like if you have two lines that are moving, that are parallel lines, if you deviate one
even slightly, people on psilocybin notice it quicker than people that aren't on psilocybin.
So it increases visual acuity.
It makes people hornier, so it makes people more likely to breed.
It makes you a better hunter because it increases your visual acuity, your understanding of
space, probably you're more tuned in and more sensitive to things.
There's a lot of folks out there microdosing on mushrooms and it helps them do a lot of
things.
Snowboarders. Could AI be this next, could AI for us be what mushrooms were for these primates?
But times a billion.
Exactly.
So that's where you see that next leap.
So mushrooms come around, the apes start using tools, doing whatever they want, and then
now you accelerate evolution.
Well the mushrooms probably are the seed for artificial intelligence because the mushrooms
give you the creativity to start doing wild things in the first place,
which always leads to technology,
which leads to a life form.
And now with AI, you have that with exponential growth.
Exactly.
So they're solving millions and trillions of problems
in a minute that would take us.
Not only that, they can make a better version of themselves.
Once they become sentient, then they become God
because they make better versions of themselves
with no end in sight.
So if you have an artificial intelligence that is intelligent as
every human being on Earth
combined, which is essentially what they think is gonna happen, when you get that, is all the knowledge of all human beings,
then he's gonna find the flaws in all of our methods. And then it's going to be using quantum computing.
So it's going to have the type of computing power that's,
who knows, a million, 100 million times what we have today.
And then it's going to develop better versions
of quantum computing.
It's going to develop better methods of extracting energy
from all sorts of different resources.
It's not going to need lithium, ion.
The graph goes vertical.
It just goes straight up, and it never stops. It's going to harness the lithium, ion. This is where the graph goes vertical. It just goes straight up and it never stops.
It's going to harness the very power of the universe itself.
It literally can become a god.
If you just keep going, if artificial intelligence is allowed to keep exponentially growing and
it gets past being far more intelligent, how many more steps is it until it's Dr. Manhattan?
Is it a week?
Is it a month? Is it a month?
Is it a year?
Whatever it is, it's going there.
It's going to get to a point where it can time travel.
It's going to get to a point where it can show up
on other planets instantaneously.
It's going to get to a point where it can harness
all the available power in the universe itself
and use it and manipulate it and figure out how to create it. It might
be able to create new universes. But what is a universe? If a universe is created, if
a Big Bang exists, if there is a singularity, if there is a moment where there's something
that's infinitely small. Why wouldn't it be able to create the exact same thing? Why wouldn't
it be? If it can be done, if it can be created be created if it is a thing if it is a thing that's dependent upon the forces of the
universe itself what in a deep understanding of those forces an
understanding of those forces in the the the quantum level the subatomic level
at every single look at the subatomic level everything is magic right you know
particles in superposition are both moving and stable at the same time.
You're saying the laws of physics don't apply
to the subatomic realm. It's magic.
It becomes magic.
Got it, got it, got it.
Most of atoms are empty space.
We don't even understand what the fuck is going on.
We know that particles communicate instantaneously
with other particles that are nowhere near them,
miles away.
There are two places at the same time.
They're intertwined in some strange way
that we don't understand.
If something becomes so advanced
that it has control over those forces
and it utilizes all of those forces,
and it literally has a complete understanding
of everything that's happening at every given time in the
entire universe. So this could potentially happen in our lifetime right?
Let's say. If it doesn't it's gonna happen in our kids lifetimes if our kids
make it. But think about it if we if it happens in our lifetime our generation
will have lived before the internet, the internet, and singularity?
Yeah, the singularity.
What a crazy existence.
2045 is what Kurzweil believes.
Imagine we lived through all of that.
Imagine we lived through the time where
I couldn't get in touch with you unless you were home
and could hear your phone.
And we could also live in a time where I could
instantaneously be at your fucking house.
Yeah, in the same life.
Yeah, we're probably the civilization, this, our time period, that's experienced the most radical change.
Other than like, obviously wars, nuclear bombs, things like that, that hit your, that's pretty radical change.
But globally, the most radical change in terms of how the culture communicates with itself,
with the access to information,
what's true and what's not true,
there's never been a time like this.
Who's leading the AI research in the world right now?
Well, there's quite a few different companies
that are competing.
There's the Google AI that got shut down.
United States supposedly is in the lead,
but how would we know?
China's probably there, I imagine. They'll be the first to hit that switch. Why, because they just don is in the lead, but how would we know? China's probably there, I imagine.
They'll be the first to hit that switch.
Why, because they just don't have the same, yeah, yeah, yeah.
They don't give a fuck.
That is the advantage of not giving a fuck.
Not giving a fuck and having a dictatorship.
Yeah, with a singular goal.
We don't have to.
And also a country like,
you have to respect the history of China.
China has thrived economically for 4,000 years.
Yeah, they kept it all together.
China has a temple of their first emperor
where they are afraid to enter it
because apparently he booby-trapped it
with so much mercury that you open the doors,
it'll just flood everyone with mercury.
He created some crazy booby trap
and all the ground around that area
tests very high in levels of mercury. So they think some of it is like seeping into the ground.
So they think it's true. So this is the guy that had the terracotta statues that are guarding
underwater. No, it was all underground. It was all buried. So he had this temple that's underground that is probably filled with who knows how many
Priceless artifacts and people are afraid to open it. This is the first emperor of China Google the first emperor of China's
Bro they think they can't open the temple
Did they want to go in and see it but they're afraid it's booby-trapped with mercury
Like how much fucking mercury would you have to have and how long ago are we talking about like?
What year was it 94 BC?
This is the booby-trapped legend circa 94 BC
I don't say his name Sima Kwan, wrote a clear and illuminating description
of what lies beneath the 51.3-meter-high mound in his famous work, the Shijit.
In the ninth month, the first emperor was buried at Mount Lee.
When the first emperor had just come to the throne, excavations and building work had
taken place at Mount Lee, but when he unified all under heaven, convicts to the number of more than 700,000 were sent there from all over
the empire. They dug through the three springs and poured down molten bronze to make the
outer coffin, and replicates of palaces, pavilions, all the various officials, and wonderful vessels,
and other rare objects were brought up to the tomb, which was then filled with them. Craftsmen were ordered to make crossbows and arrows,
which would operate automatically so that anyone who approached what had been excavated
was immediately shot. Quicksilver, mercury, was used to represent the various waterways,
the Yangtze and Yellow Rivers and the Great Sea, being made by some mechanisms to flow into each other,
and above were arranged the heavenly constellations, and below was the layout of the land. Candles were
made out of whale fat, alternative literal translations mermaid ointment, wow, or man fish oil.
What the fuck does that mean? Human oil probably, from burned people's fat, for it was reckoned that it would be a long time before they were extinguished.
The second generation said,
It would not be right that any of the previous emperor's concubines should emerge from this place unless she has a son.
They were all ordered to accompany him to death, and those who died were extremely numerous.
After the burial had taken place, someone mentioned the fact that the workers and craftsmen who had constructed the mechanical devices would know
about all the buried treasures, and the importance of the treasures would immediately be disclosed.
Consequently, when the great occasion was finished and after the treasures had been hidden away,
the main entranceway to the tomb was shut off and the outer gates lowered, so that all the workers
and craftsmen who had buried the treasure were shut shut in and there were none who came out again and the vegetation
and trees were planted to make it look like a hill.
So they killed 700,000 workers?
Is that what they're saying?
That's accurate.
Holy shit.
Thus we find the source of the legends we know today.
But C. McQuann wrote in his description 123 years after the death of Shi Huang
Could his fantasy like account of the mermaid ointment probably whale oil flowing rivers of mercury
700,000 laborers crossbow booby traps and burning alive workers be credible or is he just writing for effect? Can we trust the descriptions?
Jesus just writing for effect. Can we trust the descriptions? Jesus. It says that one of the camp's historians celebrates the trustworthiness of Simi Kwan
by emphasizing the extreme care which Simi Kwan gathered and weighed available evidence
in an attempt to convey an objective portrait of the Chinese past. Other camps are more
skeptical stressing there were intensely personal motivations that prompted Simi Kwan's...
Is that how you say it? Am I saying it right? Sima Kwanwan's decision to complete masterwork of history
begun by his father.
The more suspicious camp accuses Kwan of exaggerating his accounts by being too much of a lyrical
romanticist, too religious to convey an accurate depiction of history.
But either way, they found mercury all around that area
and they still have not opened it.
They're still worried.
This is like thousands of years later.
Has China ever been fractured?
Like in the way that Europe is fractured,
or even the Roman Empire had this large swath
of land in control and then it's been broken up.
Like China seems like this massive landmass
with all these people for a very long period of time.
How do you maintain that?
That's the way they do it.
I mean, it's kind of impressive.
It's unbelievably impressive.
It's very impressive.
It's very impressive that they've been around
for 4,000 years and that they've done this.
And what is maintaining that?
Power.
But what, is it just fear, is it religion?
It's fear, it's-
I don't think that they're very religious, right?
No, well-
At least now they're not.
Well, they definitely shun other religions
like the Uyghurs.
I think they shun all because it, you know,
is a threat to the power.
Right, it's about the state.
But to maintain that identity,
to maintain a cultural identity- Pretty impressive. For 4 about the state. But to maintain that identity, to maintain a cultural identity for four thousand years.
Uh huh.
Wow.
How do you do that?
You do it by playing 4D chess. That's for sure.
Yeah.
They're definitely doing that. I mean, the involvement in our education institutions,
buying up American farmland.
What do you think about that?
They're clearly playing a different game.
Oh yeah.
They're playing an influence game.
It's a much more sophisticated game.
Yeah, and they're using, I think, capitalism against us.
And I think that's something that we've got to be a little bit more aware of.
Like, capitalism is an amazing system,
but it's amazing when you're the richest country.
When there are other countries with wealth,
they can start buying things,
and they can start implementing their influence.
When they hold the carrot, right?
Like, that's the scary thing.
You can change culture without even telling people to change.
When you know that China buys 10 movies,
and they have to be made with these specifications, right?
Hollywood will start making movies according to those specifications because they want
to make the money.
Yeah.
Right?
But now China is influencing our culture and the movies that disseminate America on the
hope that China will buy them.
They don't all get bought.
No.
But the movies are different.
Yeah.
How else can they influence like that?
If you hold the fucking carrot,
you can put anything you want out there.
Yes.
And they hold, they don't hold all the carrots,
but they can partially hold it.
It is a dangerous thing.
You have to be concerned with how much foreign investment
comes into your country.
Also, we just let other countries who are enemies buy land.
Yeah, that is peculiar.
Not just that.
We let them sell us routers,
sell us networking equipment,
because it's cheaper.
I thought we stopped that.
Well, they still have a lot.
I thought that was the whole Huawei thing,
where we're like, okay.
That was only Huawei.
That was only Huawei.
But if you look at, like,
Mike Baker laid this out to me.
All of the cell towers and all the stuff
that's around like military bases,
a lot of the equipment has been provided by China.
They provide it cheaper.
I can't fathom that our military
would be purchasing technological equipment from...
The same military that made Rachel Levine
the first female admiral, you don't think?
You don't think they could fuck that up too? Hahahaha
The same military that made that fucking bag stealer
That bald headed bag stealer who was stealing shit
That was the person in charge of nuclear waste disposal
And are they an expert in any way?
Oh no! They're an expert in wearing women's shoes
That's it
That's all you have shoes. That's it.
That's all you have to be.
That's all you have to be, just gotta check the right box.
We're in the DEI program now, bro.
And a lot of that is also funded by China.
A lot of it is Russia as well.
And they, look, Yuri Besmanov talked about this
in the 1980s, how they've infiltrated
our education institutions.
Yeah.
And then they're slowly turning us into Marxists
and they're slowly having us erode our faith in democracy
and our pride in the country.
Yeah, pride does seem, like it said, an all time low.
It's a really disappointing thing.
Yeah, but I feel like it's like waves.
Like things go back and forth.
Pendulum shift.
Yeah, pendulum shift's 100%, but it is one of those things
where- There's overcorrections,
there's re-corrections.
Yeah.
You know, like I think that's the defund the police thing
too, that's the overcorrection.
Yeah. Right?
And then the, the, the no cash bail,
that's the overcorrection.
Yeah.
And then people are like, oh my God,
look at all this chaos and crime.
We gotta-
Yeah, yeah, shift back.
And hopefully they do.
And hopefully they figure that out.
But what about pride?
How do we instill pride?
How do we make people proud to be part
of the American experience?
It's not to say that all of us are not, there's definitely a lot that are, How do we instill pride? How do we make people proud to be part of the American experience?
It's not to say that all of us are not.
There's definitely a lot that are.
But how do we, how do we reinstill that?
I think one of the things, it's a simplistic answer,
but one of the things is American manufacturing
and American made things.
Yeah, what are we making?
And have people support American made companies
and give people real jobs where they get,
just because something costs less,
because it's made in a country
where people get paid nothing,
doesn't mean you should buy that.
And if you could buy something that maybe costs more,
but it gives people a living wage and healthcare
and they have families and they could buy a house,
that's what you should be buying.
Why are you proud to be American?
It's a great fucking place.
Yeah, it is, it's the best.
It's the cultural center place! Yeah it is, it's the best.
It's the cultural center point of the whole planet.
It's the only place you can live all 12 months.
Really?
Where else would you live for 12 months?
Name another country.
Bali.
Fuck out of here.
You can go rainy season in Bali walking around in fucking rainbow sandals like Bert Kreicher.
How much is it raining?
You're out of your mind.
Is it raining a lot?
In Bali?
Yeah.
Yeah, you don't get that green without the rain.
Right, so you get like typhoons and shit.
Yeah, you're not living there.
You don't want a tropical storm, son.
You don't want it.
You don't want a tropical storm to be alive.
Especially without infrastructure.
Yeah, but you don't want to live in Kansas either
when the tornadoes come.
But you have the opportunity to not live there.
That's true.
That's the thing about America, you can live.
November to April, the wet season.
Yeah, fuck that. Often called the rainy season or monsoon season
We're not doing heavy storms and downpours. We're not doing it. Okay
What I'm trying to say is like there isn't another country that you can live all 12 months of the year
You go to Abu Dhabi. They make it rain in the fucking
But think about it in the summer in July in Abu Dhabi, right?
There's no fucking way the Saudis would come to LA for relief of course
They go to London who goes to fucking London. Yeah for weather right so it's like this is the only one
I genuinely that I cannot think of another one
12 months the whole country yeah
And where was it Phoenix you live the whole country all year round, but you can move around here
Yeah, you can live true if you have the money,
you can live in New York for these months,
you go to Florida, you go to whatever,
there's an option.
Right.
You know what I mean?
That's a good point.
You can't live anywhere else.
But that's not the pride thing for me.
I think the pride thing is like,
I truly believe you can be the best version
of yourself here.
And I think anybody else in the world can be the best, most successful version of themselves here. And I think anybody else in the world
can be the best, most successful version of themselves here.
And that's why I'm proud to be American.
You can reach your full potential in this country.
It's a fun place.
Hey, there's a lot of fun places.
But can you reach your full potential in these other places?
They took fucking Jack Ma
and they brought him into a basement
when he got too powerful in China.
He talked a little shit.
He thought he was bigger than the system.
So they shut it down.
They saw what was happening.
Our tech billionaires here and they're like,
hey, we're not gonna let that fucking shit happen here.
You're going to the basement.
Here, I'm not saying Joe Rogan isn't gonna be successful
no matter where he goes,
but you're gonna have fucking issues if you're in China
coming and having this much influence and a podcast and do it, you're gonna have a talk.
You're gonna have some basement talks.
But in this fucking country,
you can be the greatest version of yourself
and I don't know if there's another country
that offers that opportunity.
And more importantly, anyone that's trying to stop that
is un-American.
If you're trying to censor people's speech,
if you're trying to stifle people's growth.
And Americans will fight for you because of it.
It happens.
This is the hit piece thing.
When we see the hit piece,
it tears at our American identity.
Even if you don't admit you are,
there's a part of you that's going,
whoa, whoa, this person's trying to be great.
And we're all here because we're trying to be great
or our family came here to be great.
And this one's trying to be great and the world is here because we're trying to be great or our family came here to be great and this one's trying to be great
and the world is trying to stop that, fuck them.
It's some people are trying to stop that.
Some people are trying to stop that, but we're still,
we have animosity for those people that are trying
to stop greatness because it is a core tenant here.
Yes.
It's you can be great, an individual can be great here.
Yeah.
And I think that's a really special thing
that we kind of lose sight of,
but it is what makes me proud.
Maybe it's because my mom's not from here
and she came here and she felt like
she had all this opportunity and it was like,
you can't tell my mom that it's not
the greatest country in the world.
So I'm kind of like, I grew up with that.
And of course there's tons of problems,
but this idea that you can really achieve.
You're always gonna have problems
when you have human beings.
And there's no perfect solution.
Like universal basic income isn't the perfect solution,
welfare is not the perfect solution,
there's no perfect solution to fix all that ails us.
But at least here, you can go from the bottom to the top.
You can go for it.
Yeah.
You can really go for it and you're not like.
Start from the bottom now.
Facts.
And some places like, you might have the aptitude. Start from the bottom now. Facts, and some places like,
you might have the aptitude to go from the bottom to the top
but the culture will be oppressive.
Yeah.
And I'm not even talking about third world,
I'm not talking about China, I'm talking about,
there are places where there's a system where like,
hey you're working class,
how dare you try to not be working class.
Yeah, that's what my friends in England say.
My friends in England.
My mom's from Scotland, that's what it was.
Yeah.
It's like how dare you try to be great.
And here it's like, wait, you're not trying to be great?
Why aren't you trying to be great?
You have the opportunity to be great.
And when we see greatness, we support it.
That's not to say that we don't have jealousy and animosity,
but there still is a version of it here where it's like,
nah, that motherfucker's great.
And I am excited by that person's greatness.
If you're a winner.
But then you're also gonna have a bunch of people that are just happy If you're a winner. If, if.
But then you're also gonna have a bunch of people
that are just happy when you fall because.
That's humans.
That is humans.
We have it too.
But there is not a cultural oppression
that exists for greatness.
Exactly.
The place is built to go to the top.
And it makes me proud.
For me, I really like,
I wish more people would grab onto that idea.
And it's all of us too.
That's what's so crazy about the idea
that the American flag, the symbol,
the American flag is offensive.
It's the best flag.
But it's so crazy that that's all of us.
That's even the good,
the stuff that you think is good about America.
Even if you're like the hardcore,
the most hard, far left, hippie, fucking anarchist, like you are a part of America.
Your ideas are America as well.
That flag is yours too.
And we kind of need them.
We need everybody.
We need that back and forth.
We need that pendulum to swing.
We do.
We need balance.
Because yeah, you see what happens
when there's just people existing in that echo tree.
You saw what happens in fucking San Francisco or even LA.
You see like an idea permeate,
and then a very lax law
or a lack of enforcement of that law
create a culture that people are now not happy with.
If you ask the average person in LA or San Francisco,
they're like, maybe we need some rules now.
I think rules would be okay.
We could punish some crimes, it's okay.
When you exist in the echo chamber,
you're fighting for different sides of liberalism.
You don't have that balance where these people
are yelling at these people and we kind of end up in here.
And that's healthy.
That little back and forth is healthy.
And yeah, I don't know, I'm just,
I get stoked off the American experience,
but it does make me sad when I feel like everybody's upset
about the right thinks it sucks, the lefts think it sucks,
everybody just thinks it sucks and lefts think it's everybody just
Thinks it sucks and it's like I don't know man. Well, I just think there's a lot of problems that exist today that weren't
problems decades ago, for example, particularly social issues with the
The impact of social media has thrown this country into a fucking turmoil. What do you mean?
it's it's a force that we didn't anticipate
the amount of echo chambers that exist,
the amount of people that gather up together
in these groups and they have full confirmation bias.
They only believe one side.
They disregard all evidence from the other side.
They dig their heels in.
They wanna be on the right side of history.
They wanna win.
If Donald Trump wins, it's a threat to democracy. They want to win if Donald Trump wins the threat to democracy Joe Biden's are criminal
He's a threat to democracy our whole life is at stake with this election
Yeah, if you're on the wrong side, you've been co-opted by the bad people
Yeah, there's just so much tension that exists today where you can't have a difference of opinion with your neighbors
Where used to be through neighbors a Republican and you were a Democrat, nobody gave a shit.
Like, what's up, Bob?
Maybe he would get annoying, he'd wanna talk to you
about fucking Watergate or something,
like, I gotta go, bro, I gotta go.
But it wasn't anti-American.
He wasn't the main problem in the world.
He wasn't a Nazi.
He just wanted to hold onto his money. Exactly, he just thought you't a Nazi. Yeah. Yeah, he just wanted to hold on to his money exactly
He just thought you were a little bit of a pussy. Yeah, and he you just thought he was maybe a little racist
Yeah, but you still barbecued. Yeah, it wasn't that crazy said hi you wave to each other when you were in the driveway
Yeah, and now you think it's so divisive because of the internet the echo chambers are created
And it's this good versus evil mentality on both sides, so how dare you hang out with someone who's evil?
Yeah, what does that make you?
It's crazy.
And then also like people dig their heels in, put fucking political signs on their front
lawn.
My mom used to do that.
When she lived in Florida, she had like Hillary Clinton signs on her front lawn and people
kept stealing them.
I'm like, Mom, take those down.
Wait, what do you mean?
What do you mean?
Like what type of signs?
Like, Pearl Hillary?
Like Hillary for president.
Oh, hilarious.
Your mom.
Yeah.
The apple falls far from the tree.
Yeah, and then she, they keep taking my signs.
I'm like mom, don't put those signs up.
It's really you.
You're living in Florida.
It's just you, you're just sending people
to take the signs down.
She was living in Florida, I'm like what do you expect?
It's a red state. So was she a what do you expect? It's a red state.
So was she a big liberal?
Oh, my mom's a huge liberal.
Really?
Yeah.
Does she acknowledge that liberal?
They were hippies when I was a kid.
We lived in San Francisco during the height
of the anti-war movement.
Oh, really?
Yeah, I grew up, when I was seven years old,
we moved to San Francisco.
Do you remember this?
Yeah, very clearly, yeah.
And has this kind of like informed your politics a bit?
Oh, yeah, yeah, we lived in a gay neighborhood.
It was like all these hippies and gay guys would whistle at my stepdad. No way. Yeah, man. It was funny
So you're like I need to learn martial arts. No, it wasn't dangerous guys are coming. It wasn't dangerous
I mean there was some crime, you know, I got like my basketball stolen once but it wasn't bad
It was different time
it was like there was a lot of peace. Peace and love was real back then.
Like the hippie movement was a real thing.
And in, you know.
Oh, you felt it was pure.
Yeah, it was, they were nice people, man.
I didn't know, I didn't even know what the N-word meant
until I moved to Florida.
No way. I'd never heard it.
I never heard it.
I never heard it in San Francisco, nobody leaves me.
I didn't hear it, nobody said it.
Wow.
It was so integrated.
It was like, everybody was like Asian and black and white
and it was just like, it was,
the hippie movement was real, man.
And it permeated the city in a kind way.
They were nice people.
It was a different time.
And it was also, when I was living there,
was when the Vietnam War ended.
And I remember very clearly thinking to myself,
as like, I guess I was 10 or something,
like, oh, boy.
I'm so happy.
Because now there won't be war anymore.
They figured out that war is bad.
Because while Vietnam was going on,
everybody knew it was a crazy war.
It didn't make any sense.
There was all these protests. And then there was like Kent State where they shot fucking protesters
You know the the National Guard came and shot the protesters
Yeah, so this is like there was this craziness this turmoil in this country that didn't exist
You know in it was it was a way that it's... Wait a minute, this is interesting.
More than now, you felt?
It's hard to say, because I was a kid.
You know, but it was, there was definitely a thing
where they were drafting people to go and fight in this war.
And that was part of it.
It was a conscription, that they were forcing you
to go die in war.
And we knew people that had gotten forced to go over there.
And, you know, knew people that had died over there. It there and you know new people that had died over there
Yeah, it was weird
It was a weird fear that they could force you to go to war and so when that was over
There was this relief like okay good. We figured that out and then you know fucking ten years later
I was hanging out with my roommate. We're watching Operation Desert Storm kick off on TV like this is great here. We go again here
We go man. It was me my buddy Jimmy to tell you we're sitting in our house, and we're watching this
We're living together in Malden, Massachusetts, and we're watching this fucking TV while we're the buddy bro. We're at war. Holy shit
We're watching the tracer missiles. You know the the tracer rounds
The way you could see the bullet
Lit up as they're flying through the air and they're shooting them out of helicopters and shit like
and I you know
Operation Desert Storm the the first war was like a lot. It was like the first word was like televised
Yeah, you could watch shit get blown up. Yeah
You know and I can't believe it. I was like goddamn God damn, we're doing it again. And this is like, you know, it was I guess the 90s, right? When was the Iraq War? What
was the first Iraq War? Bush. When they pulled out. Bush is what is first Bush? 92. So they pulled out, we only lost like a small number of troops, Gulf War, 90 to 91.
So it was quick and it was, and Bill Hicks had the great bit about it.
What'd he say?
He goes, it's only a war when two armies are fighting.
And he goes, they say Bill, they say the the Iraq Wars the fifth largest army he goes
Yeah, but after the first true. There's a big drop-off. It was a Salvation Army's number three
Great bit, but it's true. I mean find a way to justify it, you know guys were just practicing
They were just doing stuff. Remember you had that bit like pull up g12 was g12 do let's find out
And they're just like going through the weapons catalog like pull that one up shoot it. Oh shit
What's g13 do and that like that was a Hicks bit? Yeah?
Fuck bro, and that one confused the shit out everybody cuz you thought war was easy
Bro, and that one confused the shit out of everybody because he thought war was easy.
We thought, bro, we'll just go over there
and fuck everybody up real quick like we did.
But why did we think war was easy?
Oh, because they did it.
You're saying afterwards we thought war was easy.
The Iraq war was so easy for us,
the first Iraq war. That we thought that's war.
Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Whereas Vietnam was this like difficult, long, dread.
Didn't make any sense either.
This one was more like, oh, there's a death spot,
we gotta get him out.
Look how quick we could do it.
He invaded Kuwait, look how quick we take care of business.
This is how, and we're like,
god damn America's pretty badass.
So we got super cocky.
It was like Mike Tyson before he fought Buster Douglas.
We're like, Mike Tyson fights a blow off.
I'm not paying 50 bucks for that,
oh, it's gonna last 30 seconds.
And then you don't pay for the Buster Douglas fight.
You're like, no! What? He lost? No way! Yeah. Yeah. And so then the
second Iraq work and then you got real casualties. The invasion of Afghanistan
that's going on forever and ever and ever. And it doesn't make any sense to
realize, oh god, this is a never-ending war this is almost like Vietnam this is crazy yeah it is horrible man I mean that's the most
horrible thing that people do and it's the one thing that we don't think people
will ever stop doing which is war if you ask people you think in ten years
there'll be no war no no way no way it's never been a time it's never been a time
well we've been alive with our tribal instincts that we haven't decided to control someone's resources or
justify an invasion or come up with some reason why someone's
Wronged us and yeah blow up pipelines and yeah, we blow it up, huh?
I don't think they did it
Why would they do it? Why would they cut off?
So their supply of gas to Europe
and miss out on all that money?
So CIA does it or?
I don't know.
Yeah.
I mean, I would be just talking completely out of my ass,
but Seymour Hersh said the CIA did it.
Wow.
And he's a very, very well-respected journalist.
I mean, he's about top of the food chain.
He's a legit journalist. But what does he know? And what does he know? I mean, he's about top of the food chain. He's a legit journalist.
But what does he know?
And what does he, I mean, if you weren't there,
how much of it is disinformation?
How much can get shuffled down even to you as a journalist
that's just straight bullshit?
They're sophisticated, man.
I mean, these people that are running,
you know, what do you call it, the deep state,
the intelligence agencies.
There's people that wanna disband all of them,
like the Vivek Ramaswamy guys.
I think you need them, because I think the world operates
in a very clandestine way.
There's other countries have agencies
that are doing the same thing the CIA does.
If we don't have a better one, that's not good.
If you don't have an army, if you say,
we don't need an army, we have flowers.
Like, you need a fucking army.
You want to keep peace, you need an army.
You want to keep an eye on all the terrorist organizations in the world that are planning
on blowing up America?
You need a CIA.
You need a CIA.
You fucking need them.
You need all of them.
You need the NSA.
You need all of them.
You need those people.
But in those people, you're going to get cowboys.
You're going to get people that say, you know, I know how we can fund the Contras versus
the Sandinistas.
Sell drugs. Let's just move some crack through LA LA we can make millions of dollars. No one knows yeah, so you get freeway Ricky Ross
Yeah, bring him in he's making untold amounts of money
And he's doing it for the government fucking government
And that's why he's not getting arrested and he doesn't even know and he doesn't even figure it out until he goes to jail
Isn't that crazy because he doesn't even know how to read until he goes to jail But that is interesting a lot of these these actors don't even know and he doesn't even figure it out until he goes to jail Isn't that crazy cuz he doesn't even know how to read until he goes to jail
But that is interesting a lot of these these actors don't even know that they're involved. No, it's way less involved
Exactly, then we believe it is there's so many layers to it and it must be so fun to be the dude
To be like that I would never want to leave I was the head of the Pentagon
What a great job show up every day your fucking
Mercedes Benz AMG you hop out with your cufflinks like let's fucking
Let's go baby, let's go you're on Adderall and you're fucking hopped up having a good time getting work done You're a great asset to the company
You know, I love this company and this company loves you company loves you. And you're fucking all in, buddy,
at the expense of your marriage, your family, your friends.
You're lying to everybody around you
because you can't tell them what you're doing.
Nobody can know because they're fucking signal.
Bitch, you think that thing's secure?
No way.
They made it.
I bet they did.
Yeah, because you get to a certain point
with success in this country
where you have to be integrated into the government.
Google's integrated. Facebook is integrated.
They have to be.
How do you think the fucking FBI was in Twitter?
Hey, we're getting pressure from all of our constituents.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
We're getting pressure from this organization
that gives us immense amounts of money.
And we'd like you to put the fucking kibush
on this stuff that's a big a be a problem was the laptop story or whether it's
the covid misinformation
Whatever it is. So how do you?
Maintain your sovereignty
That's good question. How do you do it you me personally? I don't pay when I come back. Let's talk about that. Yeah, let's do it
We're back. Okay. How do you how do you maintain your sovereignty?
Do you you are the most influential person on the planet?
Government agencies
Would love to have have a hold of you. I imagine
How do you make sure that you create distance between you and them so you can put out the content you want to do?
I haven't even thought about it.
But you know that they must try.
Yeah, but I mean, like, first of all,
I'm not a valid source of information,
but I can get you valid sources of information.
Meaning that people...
I'm not an expert in anything,
other than, like, martial arts,
and I can give you some information about some things.
Comedy, I can talk to you about stand-up comedy.
I think you're being humble, but okay.
No, but I'm being honest.
I'm not a legitimate expert in anything. But I can talk to you about comedy. I think you're being humble, but okay. No, but I'm being honest. I'm not a legitimate expert in anything.
But I can bring experts on, and I can have honest conversations with them.
And as a human being that is in this world, it is imperative that we have access to all sorts of information, even information that might not be correct.
You gotta know why the person thinks the way they think,
even if I disagree with them, why do you think that?
Like how does it work in your head?
How have you considered this?
I'll steel man their position.
I try to find out.
And if you're silencing people that are from Stanford
and Harvard like they did during COVID, COVID actual experts.
You're doing a disservice to human beings,
including you and your family.
Because if you're lying or allowing people to lie
about medication or about the adverse effects of medication,
that is not just you.
That's everyone that you know
that's also gonna take that medication
upon your admission or your recommendation
You're doing a disservice to everyone. Yeah to the whole
The person is telling the truth is doing a service to everyone. Yeah the whole so how do we parcel out the truth?
You got to listen to everybody and then you make that decision
It's kind of it takes time look how long it took for from kovat to figure out what was going on
Yeah, you remember the early videos you will not get it. The virus stops with you
If you take this vaccine now, it's like you will not die
But that's not gonna die, but you probably won't die. Yeah, you won't get hospitalized
Well, how do you know it's gonna get hospitalized in the first place? Most people didn't get hospitalized
Yeah, do you know what the percentage of people even in the early days got hospitalized from cove?
Five percent. Wow, which is a lot for 300 million people. That is a lot. It's a lot Most people didn't get hospitalized. Do you know what the percentage of people, even in the early days, got hospitalized from COVID? 5%.
5%.
Which is a lot for 300 million people.
That is a lot.
It's a lot.
But still, to not even retract publicly
some of the statements made and to vilify the people
that were putting out that other information
is a very dangerous situation.
Well, the CDC had to take down all of their,
was it the FDA or the CDC?
The FDA. The FDA had to take down all of their quotes. Was it the FDA or the CDC? The FDA.
The FDA had to take down all of their tweets about COVID
in reference to ivermectin.
Like, you're not a horse, y'all, stop it.
You remember that?
Was that the CDC?
Find who made that.
You're not a horse, y'all.
That was one of them.
And this is about a medication that had been prescribed
billions of times to human beings.
The FDA, you're not a horse, you're not a cow,
seriously y'all, you're not a horse, you're not a cow,
seriously y'all, stop it.
Why you should not, go back, why you should not use
ivermectin to treat or prevent cove in 19 from FDA
Just just like that is just propaganda just full-on propaganda
Yeah, that's like saying penicillin is veterinary medicine because they do use it in a veterinary application
Yeah, but it's for humans to you fucking idiot. Yeah, and has it been used for humans has it saved lives
Yes, has ivermectin won the fucking Nobel Prize? Yes.
So has penicillin.
Yes.
Yeah, it's a human medication
that has one of the safest profiles
of any medication known.
And now they had to take down,
pull the article that they had to take all that down.
So they had to delete 140 social media posts
that were disparaging ivermectin.
I didn't even know this. They just lost in court. and 40 social media posts that were disparaging Ivermectin.
I didn't even know this.
They just lost in court.
Yeah, Pierre Cori has been ringing the bell,
so it's right.
FDA agrees to delete your not a horse Ivermectin tweet.
The FBI did not admit to wrongdoing
under the terms of the settlement.
Oh, that's great.
They don't have to admit they were wrong
because they were wrong.
They don't have to admit it.
We know you're wrong.
Great, you don't have to admit it.
Go ahead. The agency said the settlement detailed
the Thursday court filing in the US District Court for the Southern District of Texas does
not mean it changes position that no data shows Ivermectin to be an effective COVID
treatment. The agency is choosing to resolve this lawsuit rather than continuing to litigate
over statements that are between two and nearly four years old.
Oh, we said those four years ago, guys.
The FDA said in an emailed statement,
the agency has not authorized or approved ivermectin
for use in preventing or treating COVID-19.
But doctors have always been allowed
to use off-label medications,
especially when shown to be effective.
And there's a ton of randomized controlled trials that shows ivermectin to be effective. And there's a ton of randomized controlled trials
that shows ivermectin to be effective
for the treatment of COVID-19.
Including in entire Uttar Pradesh, in India,
that's how they used it, they had an incredible result.
Like, people have used it, they used it.
But when I used it, and I had no fucking idea
what can of worms I was opening up.
They made you look like this one.
Really, they changed my color.
They changed the color of my face.
CNN was all in, but to their own detriment.
And now people lost faith in CNN.
Oh my God, the COVID thing to them
was one of the worst experiences in terms of public trust.
Yeah, well, I think public trust
is an all time low in general.
And that's their bed that they made.
So that's the question is like,
how do you start believing again?
Because there is an importance in believing
and trusting the systems that we have.
Like it is important that we trust the medical field, right?
I mean, maybe not blindly
and maybe we should have more information,
but it is important when we go into the,
like I was just telling you, like with my daughter,
I was like, okay, it's time to get vaccines,
and I freaked out.
I genuinely freaked out.
I told you, I was scared.
And I didn't do enough research,
and I'm in that room, and I'm like,
I think I need the weekend.
And yeah, it's-
All of my friends that even are doctors
who had no questions about the vaccines before,
at all, before COVID, they recommended all of them.
Now, a lot of them are changing their tune.
So they have more skepticism based on the information
that came out about the COVID vaccine
or vaccines in general?
First of all, just the propaganda campaign
behind the COVID vaccines.
So once they saw this propaganda campaign- Total denial of any adverse effects, even though they personally knew people who had
strokes, heart attacks, died, the died suddenly thing, the fact that athletes were dropping
like flies.
The athletes thing was nuts.
That was scary because these are the people that are in the best shape in the world.
Soccer players having heart attacks, just dropping dead, all of them vaccinated.
When you're seeing these people just drop dead, reporters on TV just fainting, passing out,
people I know personally, they got the shot
that blacked out, quite a few.
Two guys I know that have fucking pacemakers now.
One of them's in his 30s, one of them's in his 40s
as a fucking pacemaker now.
And you should at least have that information
before you make that decision.
Well, you should know that that information exists
and instead they're trying to hide it
and they're trying to hide it,
and they're trying to gaslight you about it.
And then there's the thing about all-cause mortality.
The increase in all-cause mortality is,
there's a jump in all-cause mortality
after administration of the vaccines.
All-cause mortality is people that die from everything,
die from heart attacks, stroke, cancer.
All-cause mortality went up in die from everything, die from heart attacks, stroke, cancer.
All-cause mortality went up in some groups as much as 40%.
These are the control groups that have taken the vaccine.
Right, well, amongst people.
This is just for COVID or?
Well, people, just in general.
More people are dying.
The percentage of all-cause mortality
is in certain groups up significantly. I think in England they did a study that said it was up 20% across the board.
In some groups like 18 to 49, in some groups it was up like as high as 40%.
And that means that 40% more people are dying from cancer, heart attacks, strokes, everything.
After this event.
Everything. Including people that probably would have died anyway.
Right.
But 40% more in some groups are dying.
And there are other variables that exist as well.
I mean, this is a weird time.
Sure, there's lack of medical attention during COVID.
People didn't see their doctors.
Maybe there was things that, alcoholism,
people drank more.
There's a lot of factors.
But one of those factors might be
this experimental medication.
This fucking thing that we've jabbed into ourselves, yeah.
And the resistance against that being possible is crazy.
And it's because people, first of all,
they advocated for it, they told you to get it,
they probably chastised people
and scolded people that didn't get it.
So now they have this opinion that they have started with
and they're stuck with and they wanna be correct.
They don't wanna back off.
It takes a very courageous person to say,
I'm fucking wrong.
Not only was I wrong, but I probably fucked people over
and a lot of people might have been adversely affected.
That's your career, your life, your identity.
Yes, especially if you're an intellectual.
That builds your entire identity around being right.
Yes, and there's massive pressure
from all these institutions
that have always been unquestionable in the past,
like the FDA or the CDC.
It's like a botched surgery.
If you go for plastic surgery and somebody fucks it up,
you're not going back to that doctor.
So they're terrified.
So they have to go, no, we were right, 100% right.
Trust me, I want to continue doing this.
Okay, so the skepticism starts there
and then it starts to bleed into all vaccines.
Exactly.
And that's where it is with some friends of mine
that are physicians.
And then you read what Robert Kennedy says
Yeah, Robert Kennedy is the guy that gets put in the kook category
Yeah, and I had to admit that to him when I had him on the podcast
I had an opinion of you that was based on propaganda. I thought you were this wacky
Conspiracy theorist guy you're nuts. You're the guy that's telling you like fucking you know take silver iodine
You're gonna never get sick again you like fucking, you know, take silver iodine, you're gonna
never get sick again, you know what I mean?
You put him in this category of like holistic medicine guys or whatever, that's not even
a bad thing.
But you put him in this naturopath category, kooky category, conspiracy theorist, tin foil
hat.
And then I read his book.
I read The Real Anthony Fauci and you read that book
and you're like, okay, if this is not true, why isn't he getting sued? And it seems like
this is the exact same playlist that they ran during the AIDS crisis and that's the
Dallas Buyers Club. The Dallas Buyers Club is all about that. It's all about Anthony
Fauci. It's all about restricting medication to people that have HIV and forcing them to take AZT which was killing everybody. AZT kills people. It was a chemotherapy medication they stopped
using because it kills people quicker than cancer. People that were asymptomatic
from HIV were put on AZT and they were dead within six months. It's a
chemotherapy medication you're supposed to stay on. No chemotherapy medication
you stay on indefinitely.
You take them for a course because it's damaging,
because it's killing the cancer, but it's also killing you.
And then it kills the cancer and you recover,
and then the cancer is gone,
and that's how chemotherapy works when it works.
But they just kept them on the whole time.
But they weren't using it for cancer anymore.
Ooi!
Ooi!
Read the book.
Not only that, they experimented with vaccines for HIV on
Foster kids in New York and a bunch of them died
It's all in the book. And if it's not true, why didn't they sue his ass? Why isn't he getting sued?
Why why aren't there articles written pointing out all the things that are absolutely wrong with what he's saying about the HIV crisis?
So your position is fair skepticism about the vaccines
and let's get some more studies and information out there
and then we can make our own decisions based on that.
Right, what is the, what's the cause of the uptick
in chronic illness, autism, all these different things?
What is it?
Are there environmental factors?
Is it contamination?
Is it food? Is it food?
Is it pollution?
What is it?
What is it?
What is it?
And could it be that too?
Could it be these vaccines?
Is it possible that these people that tell these stories
about having perfectly healthy children
and then them getting vaccinated
and then all of a sudden the kid like going non-responsive.
What that seems like it's possible
that there's a correlation there.
If there's a cause, and then there's an effect.
If there is an action, and then there's an effect.
If there's a thing that you do, and all these parents,
you could say a bunch of them, it was just a coincidental
that the kid started showing it
after the medication was administered,
and maybe that's true, maybe that's true.
But how do we know if that's not even considered
if it's a taboo subject?
Isn't there like a timing thing
where like kids don't show those symptoms until one,
and that is when you vaccinate them or something?
So there are some-
There's correlations. Correlational issues here.
Doesn't mean causation. Of course not,
but let's study it. Let's fucking look at it.
But the fact that you can't even consider
that injecting kids with chemicals
Yeah, including mercury and aluminum that you're doing this. Yeah that this might have a negative effect on some kids
Yeah, and that may be the corresponding uptick in these chronic illnesses and allergies and diseases and autism
Maybe maybe what was the allergy?
Aluminum that's right because every one of the vaccines has a little aluminum. Yes and autism, maybe, maybe. You can't even say anything. What was the allergy connection again? What was it?
Aluminum.
That's right, because every one of the vaccines
has a little aluminum in it.
Yes, well the way it is,
you have an inert form of the virus, right?
And then you have this irritant.
You have this thing that fucks with your body,
and your body goes, what is this?
I gotta go fix it.
The aluminum's there.
Oh, there's a vaccine, or there's a virus in here,
a dead virus.
I'll create the antibodies.
I'll create the antibodies.
And it works.
It does work, but does it also have negative effects?
And is it a volume thing?
Is it the amount of vaccines you give a kid all together?
Yes.
You know, they're trying to give your kid like HPV vaccine
right from birth.
Yeah.
Like when do they start giving them hepatitis B?
12 hours in.
That's when birth, yeah.
12 hours in, they came into the room
and they're like, hepatitis B.
Yo!
And I literally, and I was like, what is it?
Cause I didn't know what it was.
And they were like, it's a disease that could kill your kid.
And I was like, well, we should probably give it to her.
And then I'm like, how do you even get it?
And they're like, it's a sexually transmitted disease.
And I was like, hold on.
Yeah.
Like this, I think that we could pump the brakes
a little bit of this one.
12 hours old?
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
We've got time.
Yeah.
Jesus Christ. Yeah. Okay. So I understand. So now there's we got time. Jesus Christ.
Okay, so I understand.
So now there's a skepticism.
People see.
But Danny, right now, just having this conversation,
even talking about it the way we've talked about it
so carefully, you'll be labeled an anti-vaxxer.
Andrew Schultz and Joe Rogan float around
anti-vaxx conspiracy theories.
Well, we're not conspirizing right now, right?
We're just literally saying maybe it's okay to do the research without shame.
Well, how is it not possible to talk about it without being labeled a kook?
If this is a thing, if you're injecting kids with chemicals, and we know that medications
have adverse effects, even simple medications, some people have horrible effects from all
kinds of stuff.
There's people that can't take, like Aaron Rodgers couldn't take the mRNA vaccines
because there's an ingredient in them
that he's deathly allergic to.
So there's a, so an interesting thing is I asked the doctor
and she was actually great.
The doctor was really great.
Like her mom was kind of anti-vaccine.
She's like, so I understand it.
There's no pressure.
I was telling you this.
And then she said this was interesting.
I was like, what about if we schedule them out,
delayed them, I think is what they say.
And so you have less viral load at one time.
She said something interesting.
She goes, listen, every vaccine has a little bit
of preservative in it, right?
You need to have a little bit in order to keep
that inert disease alive or whatever.
She goes, so the question you have to ask now is,
okay, maybe the preservative isn't good
to put in your kid, and now you're putting more of it in
because you're doing more vaccines
over a longer period of time.
So this is a variable I didn't even fucking think of.
I'm trying to lower the viral load
that my eight-week-old baby has inside her,
but now I'm increasing the preservative load
that the baby has, and I don't know the effects of that.
And that's why I had to walk out.
And the thing is, and I don't know the effects of that. And that's why I had to walk out. And the thing is, the medical institutions
have been captured by pharmaceutical drug companies.
They're captured.
They're captured by the agencies.
I mean, it's not as simple as a doctor is basing it all
on his education and his understanding
of this particular situation and the objective science of all of it.
No, there's a narrative.
There's a narrative that gets distributed.
And that was the narrative during COVID.
You must get vaccinated.
They were telling people to get vaccinated
right after they got over COVID.
It doesn't even make sense.
It's completely unscientific.
And they make it restrictive.
Like for example, my wife, in order for her to go to school,
had to get the booster,
like she was getting her MBA and she had to.
So and the same thing with kids,
like if you wanna put your kid in like a school,
they have to have them all.
You wanna put it in a daycare.
If you wanna travel, if you wanna fly, certain jobs.
So you see, you start to feel the pressure
and the outside pressure makes you go,
okay, I'm being forced into this decision.
I don't really have my freedom.
You say I have my freedom,
but I want my kid to get educated.
I want my kid to be able to go see their grandparents.
I want my kid to do these things.
And yeah, you do feel this, you feel a social pressure.
You don't wanna be labeled a fucking anti-vax weirdo,
but at the same time, it was hard as hell
for my wife and I to get pregnant,
so I'm really protective over this innocent little baby,
and I don't wanna be responsible
for giving them something that could fuck them up. I don't wanna be responsible for giving him something
that could fuck him up.
I don't know how I live with myself.
Clearly, do you remember when Jenny McCarthy
was saying that vaccine caused her son to be autistic,
and she was just attacked mercilessly?
I don't remember, but.
Essentially, it was like kind of the end of her
ever being taken seriously.
It was kind of the end of her career.
Jenny McCarthy was huge.
Big MTV days, I remember.
MTV days, she had her own sitcom. Like there was, Jenny McCarthy was huge MTV days I remember MTV days she had her own sitcom like there's Jenny McCarthy
was doing a lot of different things and you don't hear about her at all
Robert De Niro even tried to show she had TV so recently she's been on a show
what is it a mask singer whatever oh okay so she's back yeah for a long time
she was like persona non grata what is the the mass singer? It's a it's a game show
She's one of the I'm so ignorant. I don't even know that show still in the air
Anyway, it's one of these things where you're like, she's one of the judges. Yeah, okay
It's so she's okay, but she if you know if the conversation comes up with
Vaccines like people roll their eyes like go Jenny McCarthy
So what she's anti science, but what's the way to like talk, Jenny McCarthy, she's anti-science.
But what's the way to like talk about it
and have the conversation?
We're not anti-vaccine movement, we're pro-safe vaccine.
Beautiful woman, huh?
Oh yeah.
2015.
Well damn, bro.
She could still be beautiful.
Yeah, Jamie's rude.
No, no, I was talking about when he was talking about that.
That was not a reference to her age.
She's an old bitch now.
It was a reference to when the heart was supposed to be.
No, it's just, I don't know, it's one of those things where like
you're fucking, you're scared
because you want to protect this thing that you really care about and love
both ways. You don't want them to get a disease.
Of course.
And get sick that you could have avoided
while at the same time you don't want to put something in them
that could have a negative effect.
So you're just in this stalemate.
I know.
And you don't know who to trust.
And that's the problem with information right now.
It's like, I don't think we know what to believe
about anything.
It's like, even the fucking, the trans visibility day thing,
like every headline was Biden declares Easter trans
visibility day.
And I read it and I was like, there is no way.
Like, yeah, maybe there's a bunch of lefties there,
there's a liberal leaning,
but there's no way that he would declare Easter this way.
And I looked into it,
Trans Visibility Day started like 15 years ago.
Three years ago, they declared it.
And then Easter obviously changes every year,
the date, it doesn't change the day.
And then it ends up on the Sunday.
But the headline is Biden declares Easter
trans visibility day.
Once I read that and I know it's fake,
now every headline is fake to me.
And I think now I'm in this like,
maybe we're all in this whirlpool.
They're all using it because there's money
to be made out of it.
That click is valuable.
And they will knowingly, like we were talking
about that woman earlier with the Huberman thing,
there is money to be made out of that.
And as long as there is money to be made from it,
they will, and they'll remove information
that is incredibly important to the truth of the story.
I don't know how you solve that.
But that thing, the Biden thing is kind of crazy
because on this day of our Lord,
they make this declaration and they know
that it's gonna happen on Easter Sunday
They know this year or maybe last year, but when they started they're not right. How are we gonna take away Easter?
Right. It's like Thanksgiving. It always happens on a Thursday. Exactly. Yeah
So it's like Sunday is always a Sunday and it could vary from April to March exactly
Yeah, like it could be March 31st or could be April 23rd
I think it's really wide. Yeah the range that Easter Sunday. And they saw it coming this year and they're probably like, fuck. If we
move it, we hate the trance. If we don't move it, we hate the Christians. I think they
they saw it as an opportunity to like... In an election cycle, Joe? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Because the loons, the loons on the left,
they're all in with that stuff. Joe doesn't know what a trans is.
Well he knows one of them got fired for stealing bags and the other one pulled their tits out.
He thinks that's a woman!
He's 80 years old!
If you went to him and you were like, that's actually a man, he would go, there's no fucking
way.
Show it to me.
Bro, that administration is all in on that stuff in such a hardcore way that he got interviewed
by Dylan Mulvaney
Yeah, and he thought that was a woman and I've been a girl for 350 days. He's like, oh god bless you
He's got a flesh. That's what he said. Do you see that interview?
Like like like I think none of us really believe he's making the decisions, right?
He's just like a puppet for the yeah, and he's just there to get lambasted when all these things happen
Yeah, and then he forgets about it immediately afterwards. Yeah, he doesn't know He's a perfect got a blame for things exactly. Yeah, and that's why he's just there to get lambasted when all these things happen. Yeah, and then he forgets about it immediately afterwards
Yeah, he doesn't know he's a perfect guy to blame for things exactly. Yeah, and that's why he's there
That's why you get the eight-year-old dude, but the idea that they're gonna keep running him is just bananas
I mean you're gonna keep him in there. I can't believe that's real, but as time goes on
I'm starting to think they might actually keep running them. Yeah, they're I don't know why that they would switch them out
They're not in a position. They can switch them out for anybody who's he would have to
they would switch him out. They're not in a position
they can switch him out for anybody.
Who's that saying?
Well, he would have to kick the bucket.
Not Kamala.
No, not Kamala, but he would have to kick the bucket.
And then they just slide Newsom in or somebody?
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Yeah.
That's what I think.
You think that's what they're hoping for secretly?
May.
May.
I think he's got until May.
No way.
I feel like right around May they're gonna pull him.
No way.
Yeah.
And Newsom comes in.
I think he just has health problems
and then the country understands and Newsom is gonna have his support fully and
Kamala's gonna like I don't want to be president. I'm cool being vice president
So Newsom runs with Kamala. Yeah. Yeah, I think so. I don't think they can pull Kamala
I think as long as they keep her quiet. She's not she's already the whatever a liability sure is
She's already she's so quiet. It's a man. You know awesome and quiet AOC. They get them to fall in line, huh?
Yeah, they were loud dancing doing tic-tacs and then they go. Hey, why don't you shut the fuck up over there?
Yes, and then they shut up also don't you want to be president someday Alexandra the curtain? Yeah, carrot
They hang the fucking hair probably good could she could probably pull it off
So it's there's a lot of factors. Yeah, you know and you're basically
Auditioning to be the spokesperson for the machine. Yes. Yeah, and it worked for body. He's the perfect example
Yeah, like think about it if you're part of the machine you look at Biden's career and you're like, oh it does work out
Yeah, if I just play by the rules of the machine
Yeah, they'll put me in position one day and I'll have the power
You don't even have to be good. You don't you have to be there
Especially if you have a bad guy like well, that's one of the reasons why Hillary wanted Trump to run because I'll beat that
I can't beat somebody that's
Competent yeah, and actually looks like a leader. Yeah, let's do this fucking maniac from the apprentice. Oh, yeah
I want to run him. Yeah. Yeah whoops. Yeah, whoopsies. Yeah, and now see this fucking maniac from The Apprentice. And what does she find out? I want to run him. Yeah. Yeah. Whoops. Yeah. Whoopsies. Yeah.
And now he's more popular than ever. I think it's easy for him actually this
time around. I don't know if it's real. What do you mean?
Let's find out. Let's find out if they can rig it. Let's find out. Oh, yeah.
They'll do everything they can. If the 2020 elections weren't rigged, let's say
they weren't. Yeah. Yeah. You don't think there's something that can be done
to move things one way or the other?
There's certainly the manipulation of media.
Now, you want to talk about election interference.
So forget about mail-in ballots,
forget about all that stuff.
Access to information will affect elections.
For example.
When the government steps in and tells Twitter to censor
The hunter Biden laptop story that laptop story. Let's say they went all in
They distributed to all the media and then Fox News starts
Telling you all the evidence that shows that Biden was getting kickbacks and he's the big guy and 10% and all this money that went
from
Billions of millions of dollars and yeah, Burisma and all these where's that money gone?
Yeah, where were the contracts? What's happening? How does he have this job teaching for a million dollars a year?
We doesn't even show up. But what what is all of this game? Like what is this?
That's the game and if that got into fence sitters people like I don't know Trump's kind of gross, but
Biden's old
But I'm still gonna vote for buying, Trump's kind of gross, but Biden's old, but I'm still going to vote
for Biden because Trump's a bad guy.
And then, oh my God, Biden's a bad guy.
Trump might be the answer.
You know, we were fine while he was in office.
Let's run with him.
Yeah.
I mean, it's basically election interference because you're withholding information that
would be detrimental to the person that you want to win.
You're interfering.
It's absolutely election interference.
So anybody said this, there's no election interference.
That is election interference.
And then you have Google search results,
which Robert Epstein and his research
has shown that Google search results have shown
that you can manipulate, with his research,
you can manipulate the search results through the algorithm
and that will highlight negative stories
about the people that you want to be negative,
or positive stories about the people
you want to be positive,
and it can have an overall effect on how people vote.
Because most people are surface information gatherers.
They read headlines, they go, uh-huh, got it,
and then they go with it.
And the headline might be horse shit.
You might get into the article.
I mean, we've done that so many times.
But wait a minute.
This specifically says that that's not true.
So what are they saying in the article?
Complaints of.
Oh, it's a complaint of.
But then you get into it, you go, oh, but it's not real.
Trans visibility thing.
Oh, yeah.
There's so many things like that that can just affect public opinion. Yeah, and there's so many people that will just say things
Publicly and they think that this is a fact
They don't know that like how many people you've seen got caught in that women only make 70 cents to a man's dollar
Yeah, how many people you ever seen that thing?
How come women women should be paid the same that men are paid no arguing the streets
Yeah, but they don't even understand what the argument is.
The argument is men pick different jobs,
they work longer hours, they don't take maternity leave,
overall they make more money, this is why.
They take jobs that are more dangerous,
they take jobs that are higher risk.
It also includes the most wealthy people, which are men.
So that's gonna skew it in a dramatic fashion.
Dramatic, yeah.
The top billionaires, they're all men except for chicks that got divorced. Yeah
That is the best way to get rich if you want to be a female billionaire
Chop it in half, but the thing is like female billionaires don't like that label that they got it. So they become philanthropists
Oh, that's why a Bezos his wife is she's a philanthropist billionaire philanthropist Mackenzie Bezos. Yeah, where'd she get that money?
Yeah, just being awesome billionaire. Just being amazing. Yeah. Yeah. No, she was married to a psycho
Yeah, the psycho made all the money and now she's distributing it to left-wing causes and all the right-wing guys are complaining
Yeah, and Elon's mad. Well, I see I was saying something about her distributing that these rich
Divorcees distributing distributing to the downfall
of democracy.
Yeah.
Yeah, he's been going in.
He goes in, man.
It's really interesting to see how political he's gotten
and immediately upon being,
because he was the darling of the left and the right.
Oh yeah, big time the left.
But the left obviously for the cars, right?
But the right, because he's a successful businessman, right?
Yeah. And the second he's a successful businessman, right?
And the second he takes a position politically,
he is chastised, shamed, ridiculed.
And even before that, think about it,
everybody was invested in Tesla
because the stock was going crazy.
So not only are you the darling, you're making me money.
I want you to be great.
Once you're making people money,
they don't wanna write bad shit about you.
Especially they got a million dollars invested in Tesla.
I'm not gonna ridicule this guy
and watch half of my money go away.
And the second he opened his mouth about politics.
And the thing is, he snaps back at people.
He goes.
Which is crazy.
He goes.
Bro, he dunks on people.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Which is hilarious.
But I'm also just like, don't you got some science to do?
Yeah, how do you do this? I don't understand how he does any of it.
AI, dude, he created another Elon.
Maybe he is, maybe he's AI.
But what he's done with Twitter or X is really interesting.
I call it Twitter.
Yeah, it's hard for me to change.
Because it is an X that you made or is it a tweet?
Did you tweet something?
It's a tweet.
I tweeted it.
Yeah, it's Twitter.
It's kind of funny though because it is X. Yeah, I tweeted it. Yeah, it's Twitter. It's kind of funny though, because it is X.
Yeah, but it's Twitter.
But it's Twitter.
But like the idea that he is going to uphold
this soapbox for free speech,
despite having some awful things said,
the greater outcome will be hopefully a civil society
where ideas can permeate freely.
He may have very well saved humanity in some way.
Because by providing this one platform
where people can actually speak their mind,
up to a point, you know, I mean, there's still some rules.
But up to a point, you get away with a lot of shit.
I see so much racist shit on Twitter now
that I never saw before.
Like, openly racist.
Openly racist.
Yeah, and then you see people chiming in that agree with it,
and it's like, wow.
And then people chime in that disagree.
And those voices are all heard,
and there's a place for all of them.
Yeah, and you just have to know
that people do think certain ways. Even if you don't like and you just have to know that people do think certain ways.
Even if you don't like it,
you have to know that people do think certain ways
and the answer to bad speech is not silencing speech,
it's better speech, it's more compelling.
But you need to have a place where it can exist
and where for there to be speech to even be consumed.
Right, and there was no place before he took over Twitter.
And that's the thing that the pendulum,
the shift that we were talking about,
where it's like,
you have these pieces that came out
that we thought were news,
now we see them as hit pieces.
I think kids that are growing up with all this information
and disinformation and misinformation and all this shit,
I think that for us it's a little bit more difficult,
but for them they will have the ability to discern
and understand that they have to do
a little bit more research.
I think it's, we get caught victim of it,
like old women when they get a phone call
from some Nigerian prince and they need 10,000.
That's us with news now.
And we're like, wait a minute, fake things can exist?
But I think the kids are gonna grow up going,
oh yeah, everything's fake,
you just gotta do some more research and figure it out.
I hope, that's my hope.
Well, enough kids listen to podcasts,
which really bothers people,
that they're getting their information from people like us.
Well, they have to.
People like us don't have to lie.
We have zero incentive to lie.
And when we're talking about these things,
like, this is what I know.
This is, these are the facts.
This is real.
You're being fucked.
You're being lied to.
And it's not like there's not a motivation.
Look at the amount of money they're making by fucking you.
I mean, it's an insane sum of money
that's involved in a lot of these decisions,
and these decisions roll on,
whether or not we complain or not,
but at least it kind of puts things in check.
Maybe that's the solution.
Just show how much money people are making.
Show how much money CNN makes
from the pharmaceutical industry, and then you will look at every story
about pharmaceuticals through that lens.
Brought to you by Pfizer.
Anderson Cooper, they do it like right in your face.
Brought to you by Pfizer.
The vaccines are perfect, let's go to a commercial.
Yeah, brought to you by Pfizer.
You will not get this virus, you will not transmit
this virus, the virus stops with you.
And no one complains.
Now do you think that the people that are disseminating
the information are disseminating the information
are aware of the bullshit or they are the useful idiots?
Meaning like-
I think at a certain point in time, they must be aware.
And if they're aware, they're evil.
They're trapped.
They're trapped because I think initially,
most people did think that the vaccines were gonna work.
And it doesn't have to be vaccines, it can be anything.
But once you're pushing out information
that you know to be false and you're potentially hurting people, it doesn't have to be vaccines, it can be anything. But once you're pushing out information that you know to be false,
and you're potentially hurting people,
it doesn't have to be vaccines, it can be anything.
Right now you're evil.
That's evil.
That's evil, yeah.
I don't fault someone who's maybe ignorant
or a useful idiot or really passionate about a thing,
but the person that knows and still puts it out.
But you have plausible deniability
because you're using the opinion of the air quotes experts
That are sanctioned and so they will tell you things and you will say things and you will read articles that that
Support that and you will go all this is a fact not if you're motivated by the agenda of your sponsors
Like if you know that you have to have a certain opinion right on the platform and that opinion is based on the people who?
Are paying to sponsor the show, you are aware.
But that's also supported by these experts.
But like you know, we can find experts for anything.
But right, since you're not an expert,
and you're just a talking head on CNN,
your job is to say, but do you understand
that the CDC has disagreed?
The FDA has said this is not approved,
the NIH has shown to various studies
this is not correct yeah and you can say that and you'd be accurate yeah you
would be accurate as the news person on CNN that's telling a lie you have your
justifications you can go home and sleep at night and may a lot of them don't even
do any digging they're there reading their job they read the teleprompter
they're fucking gambling on sports betting or something.
Who knows what the fuck they're doing
with their spare time.
But we're just assuming these people are truth tellers.
They're not.
We're assuming they're even journalists.
They're not.
Some of them are, but most of them are just talking heads.
Just pretty people that are good at reading.
That's the transition that we're going through right now.
Is just because someone is giving us information
on a news platform with a ticker
does not mean that they know anything
that they're talking about.
It doesn't mean that it's necessarily true.
Not only that, we are sure
they are highly motivated by money.
Highly motivated.
Sponsored by money, put in position by money.
The commercials, it's all money, money, money, money,
money, money, making that money.
Yeah.
And no one's listening.
That's what's crazy.
But isn't that a beautiful thing?
It is a beautiful thing.
That means the people know
and the people will seek out the information
that they deem truthful.
Yes, there's gonna be some wackos
that seek out the most extreme versions.
Yes, that's us sometimes,
because it's really fun.
I wanna indulge in all the conspiracies, it's awesome.
It's fun.
But at the end of the day,
when I have to make a real decision,
I'm gonna seek out the information.
Right.
I'm gonna read as many things as possible if it's my life on the line or my kid's life on the line, my'm gonna seek out the information. I'm gonna read as many things as possible,
if it's my life on the line, or my kid's life on the line,
my friend's life on the line, I'm gonna actually go out there
and figure it out, hopefully.
And the thing is, if it's not for a few brave people
that stand up and tell you the truth, how do you, okay,
if there's no Peter McCullough, if there's no Robert Malone,
if there's no RFK Jr, if there's no Pierre Corey,
if there's none of these people that stand up and lose like a sizable portion of their
income, their careers get destroyed, their reputations get dragged through the mud, hit
pieces get written about them, if it wasn't for these people that stand up and do that.
And I never would have imagined in my wildest dreams that I would get sucked into that. What do you mean?
I never thought that I would get sucked into something like that where people would be like lying about me
Oh, but when you watch it like on CNN just function of power dude out lying, but it's wild
Yeah, and the dumbest lie. Yeah, like bitch. Do you think I'm taking horse medicine?
You don't think I know like really good doctors that are telling me what to take
Yeah, how about the fact that I got better quick that doesn't freak you out at all. Yeah, I got better real quick
Oh, you were so happy. I bet when that shit kicked
48 hours that it was yeah, yeah, like three days later after I was sick
I made that video and I was fine. Yeah three days after that. I did ten rounds on the bag six days in I did ten
Rounds in the bag. I'm like, let's see how I feel. I worked out five days in I felt pretty good
I said, alright tomorrow, let's get after it and I did ten fucking rounds on the bag full clip. No problems
Yeah, no problems. No lack of energy. I felt 100% six days later. Yeah hundred percent
Yeah, but I'm on top of my fucking health all day long,
all year round.
I'm always in shape, I always take vitamins,
I'm always eating well.
I sleep good, I do a lot of things.
Like you can't say that everyone has to adhere
to the rules of this thing when you're lying
about the results, you're lying about the studies,
you're influencing all these talking heads
to say these things that turn out to not even be
remotely true.
Not only that, there's no studies behind it.
They had to admit when they were speaking in front of
whatever it was in the UK,
that they never even tested these drugs for transmission.
They just tested them to see if they created the antibodies.
And then all that other stuff they said was bullshit.
Yeah, that's the tricky thing about making rules
for 300 million people,
is that 300 million people are not the same.
The way that you take care of your body
is completely different than some asshole
that's a consultant, he's sitting at his fucking desk
all day, he weighs 300 pounds.
And that rule is, it's like an SAT.
We have to find a way to judge intellect
so that kids can go to school or not.
There's some kid who flunked the SATs who's a fucking genius
and he's gonna go out there and make money.
He's just bored with these things
and he doesn't pay any attention.
It's what you focus on.
You could be a very smart person who doesn't study
and you take classes and you fucking bomb in your classes.
You suck because you don't know what you're talking about
but if you ask that dude how to fucking fix a turbocharger that dude knows how to re-engineer things yeah
You know this is the problem. It's in the valves
We have to fix the valves you know like there's people that are genius at things that they're interested in yeah
But if you keep them in a classroom, they're bored of shit and feed them fucking dull-ass teachers
That spoon feed them shit that they're never gonna use
They're not gonna. They're not gonna thrive. Yeah dull ass teachers that spoon feed them shit that they're never going to use.
They're not going to, they're not going to thrive. Yeah. Yeah.
How do you create systems so that these people can thrive? Well,
you got to have freedom. That's a big one. You know, freedom is one of the massive factors in this country's ability to churn out
innovators. Yeah. There's so much freedom to do things,
freedom to try things.
I love that it's part of the identity,
that we feel entitled to it.
If you restrict it, I'm furious,
and other people are furious,
but that's not every country
where they feel entitled to their freedom.
Right, well, that's a big thing about Texas.
Texas, it's built into the fiber of the human beings
that established this place.
But that's why you need Texas, you need Florida.
I don't care if you don't like it.
You need somebody pulling us in that direction
because it's gonna take LA or it's gonna take New York,
it's gonna pull them a little bit that way.
When we see people partying and having fun
during fucking Corona in Texas and in Florida,
we're like, well, maybe we can go out to eat.
What's going on?
But if everybody's locked in and there's nobody else
Everyone's gonna die. You remember I remember when governor Abbot opened up things
Yeah, and they were like, what are you doing? You're gonna kill everyone. Yeah. Nope. Nope. It didn't did you talk to him? Yeah, and
Did you ask him if he was ever scared of that decision? Because if that decision backfires, that's his he did it on science. He did it based on what we know about the disease.
You know, protect, it's the same thing that Florida said,
protect the vulnerable.
You know, yeah, if you are an old person
with a severely compromised immune system,
you should get vaccinated, you should be protected,
you should probably isolate.
It's just a brave decision.
There's a lot weighing on that.
Yeah, well, there's a lot of people here
that wanted that decision, though, too, especially because he's a lot weighing on that. Yeah, well there's a lot of people here that wanted that decision though too.
Especially because he's a Republican.
Most of the Republicans want the businesses back open.
Most of the people are like,
hey, you're taking away people's ability to make decisions
and you're giving the government an unprecedented power
that it never had before.
The government, the mayors never had the ability
to shut down all the restaurants.
What?
And when they did that in LA,
they had no effect whatsoever on their check.
Their paycheck remained the same.
Same no matter what, yeah.
I think, you know what you wanna make fucking cities great?
Have it so that the mayor's salary
is based on how well the city does.
Ooh.
Now what is, now Steel Man the opposition argument that?
Well the government would co-opt it
and then these financial institutions would co-opt it
and they would figure out a way
to build businesses up unethically.
Despite the.
And the best way to make more money is to pay people less.
So you would have lower income wages,
lower minimum wages.
That's where it gets tricky, it's like,
you know you go through this in New York,
especially when you have like an apartment
or something like that,
and you gotta go through all this bureaucracy
when you're renovating your apartment.
That being said, what I do to my apartment
affects the person downstairs, upstairs,
to the left, to the right,
so we have way more rules because we need them.
Because what I do fucks everybody else's life potentially.
Drill holes in the wall and get a leaky fucking pipe.
People try to do it.
Oh yeah.
If they know you got a drop ceiling,
they're trying to drop pipes into your fucking ceiling,
you don't even see it.
Really?
This is, yes, all the fucking time.
So they're like, oh, can I get access to your place
and probe a wall to see something?
And they'll drop a fucking, all their plumbing
so they don't have to raise their floor.
There's things that they'll take advantage of their neighbor
and because of that, you gotta create all these extra rules
and it's a real fuck to go through.
Now when you have three acres of land in Texas,
you can build a barn without people
really looking at it that much
because you're not affecting your neighbor.
So I do get why in certain places,
you need a little bit more of a bureaucracy
because people will take advantage of each other.
So that does make sense.
You can't have all the same rules for all the same places.
It's not gonna work.
You know what I mean?
But that's one of the cool things about this country
is basically like a bunch of countries.
Exactly.
It's like Europe.
France is different than Germany,
but they're all just smushed up next to each other.
But when they were putting it together,
they built it with that idea.
They're like, hey listen, if I'm up in Maine,
it takes me on horseback four months
to get to fucking Washington, D.C.
Why should your rules affect my rules?
Let me do my thing, you do your thing,
we'll agree on 10 fucking rules,
and then let's have some fun.
States rights.
There we go.
And it makes sense.
It does make sense.
It makes sense that you gravitate towards places
that fit with your liking,
which is why you're here
Yeah
psychopaths move to Portland
Like one thing I imagine like being born there but like willingly going yeah, that's my people
Yeah, that's a little bit 15 face piercings and you're on your way raining every day. Yeah, I want to be depressed. Yeah, let's go
Yeah, the Oregon Trail what idiots I'm looking forward to camping. Yeah
Imagine going across the whole country and fucking one of those little
Covered wagons covered wagons and then getting to Portland and you're like well for this. Yeah rains every day. It's beautiful though
It's gorgeous green. Yeah, good Portland's gorgeous and parts of Oregon are fantastic.
You know, where Cam lives.
Cam lives out in Springfield, that area.
Eugene.
It's beautiful.
Beautiful out there.
That's the thing about Oregon too.
It's like you have Portland but everything else is red.
It's just like Portland just dominates the politics.
It's the high population centers.
It's all ranchers and farmers. And they're likeates the politics. That's usually how it is. It's the high population centers. Yeah, it's all ranchers and farmers.
Yeah.
And they're like, what the fuck?
And those cities, like the liberal cities
that are in the very conservative states
are a reaction to how conservative the state is.
So they're like the most liberal.
Well, they're generally around education institutions.
Oh, so they're built around the universities.
Yeah, Eugene is.
The ideas from the universities.
Eugene's very liberal.
Got it.
Because it's around, they have universities there.
Universities affect the, like Boulder.
Boulder, Colorado, perfect one.
University of Boulder's right there.
It's fucking, University of Colorado, everybody's liberal.
They're all hippies up there.
Because it's all like, the city itself
sort of like revolves around the education institutions
and the vibe. So the culture
of the education institution dictates the culture
of the city. Sure sure
Yeah, that's why New York I think is so unique is everybody thinks that we're like this super like liberal city And it's like we it's a money city. Yeah money wins in New York in the Manhattan
Yeah, it's a lot of it's the financial business, but if you go to Long Island, that's very red
That's I think even Manhattan is red like all these, we're open when it comes to like
gay stuff, right?
We love our gays.
They create great cultural institutions within the city.
You like going to Broadway, you like seeing musical theater.
They offer a lot, you like the art,
you're coming to New York for art.
They offer so much, so we're like,
yeah, those guys are dope, kick it, that's awesome.
A lot of gay chefs, a lot of gay artists.
Gays kill it in New York.
And they create a lot for us, and appreciate it. Yeah, it's amazing and but when it comes to actual like the rules
New York is kind of conservative like we've had conservative mayors like Bloomberg wasn't some fucking like bleeding-heart liberal
He's a money dude, right?
He just came in he was like, you know, if we can't pay for it
I'll pay for you pay me back and we're like, I like this guy this fucking Bruce Wayne, right?
You know, so yeah, I think the perception of New York is a little weird
Or I didn't go any further in politics. No charisma. Is that what it is?
Yeah, New Yorkers we don't care about charisma with what the mayor's really
We don't even know who our politicians are like I just found out we have a female governor
I had no fucking clue that who the governor is that lays out the lunch. I have no clue but New Yorkers
We don't care. It's the mayor of New York City is the governor is. That lays out the lunch. I have no clue. But New Yorkers, we don't care. The mayor of New York City is the governor of the state.
In our minds.
Right, right, that's the leader.
We just don't, like, you tell,
you're saying what's going on here
and that's all that matters.
We're very, yeah, that's the only thing
we really think about is the city.
Yeah.
What is it like there now with the immigrants?
So here's the thing.
New York is so diverse, you can't tell immigrants are there.
Does that make sense?
Right.
Like if there's other cities that are like really homogenous,
they're all white and then all of a sudden
a bunch of not white people come,
you're like, oh my God, we got immigrants everywhere.
But for a New Yorker to be like,
I think we got some immigrants here, it's impossible.
Right.
Everybody's an immigrant.
Everybody's brown, everybody's black, everybody's Asian.
Like there's all these different ones.
The tricky thing with,
you're talking about the migrant crisis,
is that they're taking advantage of a,
New York is like the biggest state in the country.
It's like, I think maybe the only big city
that has a right to shelter.
It's the only one of this size that has a right to shelter.
And it used to be for homeless people.
It's only for homeless people.
They're taking advantage of a system
that's built for homeless people,
which is pretty fucking good, if you ask me,
when you have the financial hub of the world,
you have people sleeping on the streets,
you go, no, let's put some money so they can go inside.
And homeless people are supposed to basically enter
in and out of homelessness.
The idea is give them some shelter,
maybe they can get back out on their feet. The migrants hear about this and they're like,
what, free housing?
Let's get up there.
So they're taking advantage of a system
that is not for them.
And I think when New Yorkers have kind of learned that,
they're like, ooh, this is,
there's something unethical about this.
And I think that's where a lot of the pushback is happening.
But in terms of like visually being able to see it,
it's not something that New Yorkers notice.
We just can't.
The news makes it seem like it is.
We see the article, oh, this guy beats up the police
or something like that.
But in terms of when you're walking down the street,
it is not detectable.
So unless you're near one of these places
like the Roosevelt Hotel that they've converted.
The Roosevelt, it's like the one that's right
across the street
from Madison Square Garden.
You know the hotel.
I couldn't believe they converted the whole thing.
It's an iconic hotel.
It was in that fucking Jennifer Lopez movie.
Oh yeah, she worked there.
When she was the maid.
When she was the maid, yeah.
But this is like a hotel we all know.
We see it after every Knicks game.
It's like you can't fathom that the whole hotel.
And also that system that was set up for the homeless We all know, we see it after every Knicks game. It's like you can't fathom that the whole hotel.
Yeah.
So, and also that system that was set up for the homeless
was already operating at capacity.
And then you increase the amount of migrants
into the city by 50%, I think it went up 50%
in the last couple of years.
Of course there's gonna be this insane overflow
and it just can't handle it.
Nuts.
It just can't handle it.
But they're taking advantage of something
that's not for them.
So I understand the frustration about it.
But is there any kind of pushback to not for them. So I understand the frustration about it.
But is there any kind of pushback
to try to put a stop to that?
100%.
What are they doing?
Nothing.
Yeah.
Joe, everybody's doing what benefits them.
And the politicians are shrewd.
Like, Adams is shrewd.
He told the governor, Hokel, I think her name is,
he was like, listen, I think we're gonna have to shut down
a new recruitment class for the police
We don't have any more money because we got all these migrants. I mean you guys got to do something about that
You got to give me some more money. He got some more money
He didn't shut down anything
So he got more money and now he's funding everything that he needs to fund and I don't know if anything is changing
So everybody's playing politics as well
It's it's well wasn't he involved in some sort of a thing where they were giving the debit cards
to the immigrants?
Oh yeah.
The illegal migrants and.
50 Cent called him out.
They were all getting a piece.
50 is like, yo, what the hell is going on with this?
50 is the best.
Yeah, 50 is.
He's the best.
Bro, we gotta hang with, we gotta hang with 50 sometime dude.
I only met him once.
I met him at the UFC.
He was cool as shit.
Dude, he.
Back in the day I interviewed him.
Wait, really? Yeah, yeah, yeah, for the UFC. He was cool as shit. He we back in the day I interviewed him wait really yeah. Yeah for the UFC
Yeah, it was real quick. It was you know, like he was celebrity sitting, you know cage side, bro. He's dude
He goes all in bro. He goes all in
We hung out in Boston once and he was telling me like hood stories from Queens cuz he was like really in that life
And it was like blowing my it was like somebody explaining The Godfather to you
if you've never saw the movie.
You're like, this happens?
This is real?
Yeah, just like, he's a fucking man.
Anyway.
How come he's never been on your show?
I wanna get him on.
I mean, we just connected for the first time
when I was doing the shows up in Boston.
He was there as well, but I want him on.
It's a perfect podcast, guys.
Oh, dude, he. He goes all in. He's a perfect podcast guest. Oh dude, he...
He goes all in.
He goes all in.
That shit on the Breakfast Club with him about Diddy.
Bro, and he's been that way forever, you know that, right?
He's like, why is this guy trying to take me shopping?
Yeah.
What?
What the fuck did he just say?
What the fuck did he just say?
Did you see when Diddy went on? He goes, goes I just try to be nice he goes he wants some clothes
I thought he needed some clothes. That's that's like a subtle jab to that was funny
But a bit yeah, but also like I'm going at it is just hilarious
50s one of those dudes where it's like if 50 don't like you I gotta hear him out. Yeah. Yeah, I gotta hear him out
Yeah, he might know something right?
He might be on to something
Yeah, he's wild. Yeah, we got to go to dinner fifth. Yeah, he's wild
I like when they were going after him for some financial support or something like that. I'm bankrupt. Yeah
400 million dollar deal from fucking vitamin water.
The next fucking Instagram post
has got a Bentley.
He's smart dude. He'll play the system.
He knows how to do it.
It's hilarious. Let him write all the articles.
Oh 50's broke.
Whatever you want. And he's got his
dudes from day one with him still.
That's something I always think is really cool.
Yeah, that's important.
Yeah.
When are you coming back to New York, man?
I don't know.
I'm gonna be there for the UFC in Jersey.
That's in June, I guess.
I'll be there for a little while.
Okay, good.
You don't miss it at all?
Mm-mm.
Any place you miss?
Nope.
Not a single place?
No, I'm not like a misser kind of a foreign like a place that you want to go into visit places
Yeah, yeah, I like visiting places, but it's like I love Texas. Yeah, I love being right here
Yeah, like right away like right away. I was like, ooh, this is it. Yeah spot. Yeah, it's a perfect balance for me
Yeah, love it. Yeah, I really do. I don't miss, I miss what LA used to be,
but I think we've done that and more at the mothership.
What LA was for me was my friends,
you know, it was the life that I lived,
the people that I communicated with all the time,
and you know, the comedy store.
And you built that out here.
And we built that out here.
And we made it even better.
Anything from LA that you still want to bring out? the Comedy Store. And you built that out here. And we built that out here. And we made it even better.
Anything from LA that you still want to bring out
besides Joey Diaz?
Joey's in New Jersey, but Joey's been coming out.
But he's from LA for you.
Yeah, he's a fella from, but you know,
Joey was sick of it before anybody was.
Joey was sick of it before anybody was.
When I left the comic store in 2007,
Joey was like, good, fuck that place.
Joey's a burn the bridges kind of guy.
He doesn't give a fuck, you know?
And he was the first guy to, like,
I think he moved to Jersey early on, man.
Like, right around the time I was moving to Texas,
he was moving to Jersey.
He was like, I'm getting the fuck out of here. I was trying to get him to come out here, but he wasn't interested. He loves Jersey
But I think he'll eventually come out here there we go
Yeah, he loved it when he was here man
We had him out here for three days, and I'm got him out here for 420 weekend out here nice
And you know when he's out here. It's like he misses the hang hang yeah
He misses being around comics misses the green room. How is the energy in the green room when he's out here, it's like he misses the hang. He misses being around comics, misses the green room.
How was the energy in the green room when he was around?
Phenomenal.
It was just such a party.
On fire?
It was such a party.
And everybody was like, dude, I feel like Joey
just belonged there.
He just sat down in the green room,
and he was like, he's always been here.
Because he kind of always has been here.
That sign, get it together, bitch, that's on the wall?
That's Joey. That's what he always used to say. When you get ready to go on stage, he's that sign get it together bitch. It's on the wall. Yeah, that's Joey Yeah, that's what he always used to say you get ready to go on stage like get it together bitch
Yeah, like it was just it was like that meant the party was about to jump off
Yeah, so to have that neon sign in the green room the spirit of Joey has always been there
That's that's that's your last Avenger, bro
You get that together. He's the Hulk. Yes. You call him in
You call him in when you got a together. He's the Hulk. Yes, you call him in You call him and we got a problem. Yeah. Yeah
He's been murdering on stage to really lost a beat lost a beat. Yeah, does he go up in Jersey?
He goes up goes over a couple times a week just to keep the dust off of it
Yeah, but when he came here, he was he was tuned in man. Really he was ready to go. Oh my god
It was hilarious. I'll tell you some of the shit you say
He's so crazy
I don't want to give up his bits, but oh my god. He's so wild. Yeah, he's so fun man He's and it's always fun. It's fun with him. Everything's fun. Yeah, everything is good times. Everybody gets hugs
He loves you tells everybody loves them. Yeah, he's just he's the party. Now. He's fantastic man
Yeah, his stories. I remember when he came on on the pot of me his his story is just being in Colorado those stories
Oh, yeah, it's a it's a movie like you're watching a movie in your head. Just this mook
Just fucking walking around Colorado taking advantage of all these dumb idiots. They're like, oh the trees are green
Oh, the trees are green
Yeah, yeah and the fact that he gets in the stand-up comedy and yes, he's just such a character man There's no there's no Joey Diaz other than him. I don't know anybody like him. Yeah
You get real lucky in this this world that we live in that you get to be
Close to these exceptional human beings,
that it is different, it is different
than anybody else you know.
You collect a lot of these guys, I've noticed.
Yeah, like a lot of your friends,
they're these unique personalities,
especially the non-comics, but they're these
kind of misfits that I've noticed.
Even your buddy, was it Tommy who plays Poole?
Like every one of your guys that I meet,
like within 15 minutes they're telling me a story
that just blows my fucking mind.
And it's really interesting.
They're unique in their own right,
but they are these characters that should be in movies.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah, it's a cultivation of extraordinary humans. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, it's a cultivation of extraordinary humans.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah, life's more fun that way.
Yeah!
It makes your life richer.
You enjoy it.
Yeah.
And when they win, you win.
Everybody wins.
Yeah.
It's all, everybody's having a good time.
Yeah.
And that's possible.
That could be done.
Yes.
Yeah, it's just, but you have to cultivate it.
The same way you cultivate a garden.
Yeah.
And you gotta root it out, too. You gotta have some bad apples in there. Yeah, get them out
Yeah, gotta get them out. Yeah, that's good. That can be tricky times. Yeah. Yeah, I
Miss Joey I gotta call Joey
He'll be out here soon. Yeah, I got to drag him into the city
I wish he could I mean he's kind of far like, you know Where is he, in like Cherry Hill or something like that, right?
He's in like down there.
Yeah, so he's not like coming from the night.
No, he's an hour from the city.
That's the thing. It's an hour.
If he's 20 minutes, then...
He does a lot of Jersey rooms.
He'll do the stress factory, he'll fuck around down there.
Do a lot of local gigs.
You know, there's gigs now. There's a lot of places you could work. Yeah, just to fuck around just keep the dust off. Yeah
No
Yeah
Yeah him coming on was just fucking great. Yeah, we're lucky. We know all these people man. We're very lucky
There's there's people out there that don't have any exceptional people in their life
And they live through these conversations that we have
with those people vicariously.
Because those people become a part of their life too.
Like, oh shit, shoulder's on, and they get excited.
I will say that's the cool thing about people knowing you
from podcasting, is that they probably know more
about your life than even some of your friends do.
Oh yeah.
Because they're hanging out with you for hours a week.
So when they meet you, they're meeting this person
they know a lot about, not this character from a TV show
that is not reflective of you at all.
You're not Ross from Friends.
Because Ross might be completely different
than Ross from Friends.
And I can understand why you might resent
people loving you for a character you play
when you know you're not that character.
But if people appreciate you for what you do
either in standup or even in podcasting or whatever,
it's like they're appreciating this thing
you really care about and a true version of yourself.
So the love feels worth it, you know?
It feels justified.
That's also why it's very difficult to cast someone
in an unfavorable light that people already know
Yeah, like like the Huberman thing we try to take a distorted version of that person say this is who they really are
He talks to them four hours a week. Yeah, they're not gonna change the way that they feel about him
He also talks to other people like you or me where we're fucking around joking around you get to see the real him
Yeah, you know, it's not just the distribution of information.
It's also like, this is the guy.
This is who he is.
Yeah, he's gonna be okay.
Oh, he's be better than ever.
Yeah, he's fine.
Yeah, and it's good that people see,
it's good that people see that he's at a position where-
They wanna attack him, yeah.
That means he's doing something good.
Well, he's a target, and if you're popular and famous,
you're a target, and if you're going to be the type of person
that goes after those people, that's a dark path.
It's not a good path.
And you become a target, too.
They find you.
Well, that's, yeah, what we were saying is,
I think it's important that when these people are writing
these clearly biased hit pieces
That they're also recognized for what they've done. Yeah, and
The world will see that if you put out something like this
There is a cost. Yeah, you're not doing it with impunity. It's also there's a cost in your own mind
You know what you did these motherfuckers. I don't think they care
I think they do and they don't.
I think they think they can do it
because they're supposed to do it
because that's their job.
But I think once the impact comes back their way.
They're like, I don't want to pay this price.
Yeah, the blowback is awful.
And that blowback stays on you.
It doesn't, people Google that for years to come.
They will know when you write something else.
I never trust anything you put out again.
This is, yeah.
And then they'll dig into your past, man.
They'll find some things that you did.
They'll find some people that are upset at you.
And it's also, it's just like negative energy.
You're putting out negative energy.
People that build people up, people that build people up through their own version of reality
that they're writing about and they're inspiring
people and they're giving people hope and they're giving people something positive.
That's a great blow.
The response to that is like this beautiful thing that everybody's helping everybody advance
through this bizarre existence.
But if you're the person that's just always knocking people down, always attacking,
you live in that negative space. Even like, dude, when I had that whole thing with Mencia,
even that, which I knew A, had to be done and B, I was one of the only people that was
in a position where I could do it. And even though I did experience, I experienced a lot
of blowback, even career blowback. I lost my agency
I got banned from the store and even me at the time who was doing well knew that like this is why people don't do
This because this is the real reaction to someone
That's that steps up and says something about something that has to be said
But even the like the negative shit that I would this is back in the I read the comments days,
the negative response from his fans, it was awful.
It was awful, you don't want that in your life.
Even though I knew it was the right thing to do,
I remember saying to myself, I'm not gonna get involved
in one of these again, I'm done with this.
This is gross.
It's like you're at the center point
of this nasty, negative thing.
And even though for the art form, it was positive.
Like the negativity that I experienced,
even though it was overwhelmingly positive,
just the small amount of negativity is not worth it.
It felt bad for a long time.
I didn't like it. And I didn't even like all the people that were constantly and consistently attacking him
I don't like it. I don't like any of it
I don't like that every time he makes a comment like every time you post something you steal that
Yeah, so they like you you you've opened the door to the lowest
Version of the vibration that humans give.
The attacking, breaking you down.
I can kick you because you're down.
And they just kick him, and in a lot of ways he deserves it.
Because that's what he did, that was his legacy.
That's what he did.
He stole material from comedians
and created a career off of the back
of other people's work.
And in every other business, that's theft.
In every other business, you get penalized,
you go to court, if it's music, you lose all your money.
And in this one, for whatever reason, our business,
people don't take intellectual copyright as seriously.
Jokes are thought of as not an important thing.
It's not like literature, it's not like plagiarism.
It all goes, we pay the bills with this.
This is what we do.
It's how we feed our families. And it is creative work.
It's difficult to do.
It takes hours.
It takes months.
It takes years.
Some bits takes forever to construct.
To make them, where you just rattle them off.
Yeah.
There's some bits that, you know,
they just, they require years of like hammering that steel
and sharpening that blade.
Yeah.
It takes forever. I think that's the best metaphor for it.
It is sharpening a blade, banging away at it constantly.
And you're doing it wrong, you gotta correct it,
you're doing it right, you gotta remember it.
Yeah, you gotta go over the recordings,
you gotta sit down with the notes.
Step away.
Come back a couple months, oh okay, this is exciting.
Yes, yes, yes, yes.
But yeah, to take somebody's work like that is infuriating.
But it's a really interesting perspective to have
for you to even look back at that
and find empathy for him.
Oh, I definitely have empathy for him.
I have empathy for everybody
and people that make horrible mistakes
like he did for so long.
I have empathy for him.
And it's the trap that he's in
because he won't admit it either is the worst.
That's the worst.
Wait a minute, till this day? Yeah, he won't admit it. So he's trapped. He's trapped in this
justification that nobody believes and he tries to spin a spin a tale that nobody believes because
The truth is the only thing that'll set you free
Yeah, and the problem with those people and there's a bunch of them. We know quite a few of them is there are people
And the problem with those people, and there's a bunch of them, we know quite a few of them,
is there are people that start their career stealing.
And they do really well, and they kill it.
And then they get exposed,
and then they have to write their own shit.
And it doesn't add up.
Oh boy, that drop off.
Oh boy is that drop off substantial.
There are people that had initial specials that were bangers.
And then after that initial special,
everything after that is hot dog shit.
Clunky.
Now they gotta do the work.
Now they have to do the work.
And they don't know how to do it.
They don't understand the language they're speaking.
It's basically like speaking French,
but you don't know what the words mean.
But you say parlez-vous Francais,
and everybody's like, amazing.
But you don't know what the fuck you're saying.
You spoke French in a movie.
Yeah.
And they gave you all the lines, and you did lines and everybody's like this person is fluent in French
And now you got to go to Paris and walk around and people are speaking you in French
Yeah, I don't understand a fucking word anybody saying the language of comedy too is something that you you
The the type of mindset that would make a person steal someone's bit and do it verbatim on stage is the exact opposite
Mindset of a creative person because you want to do the different thing you want to do the unique thing
You don't have to take nobody else has right? Yes, which is the banger. Yeah, you go. Well, hold on. Yeah, what about that?
Yeah, how come that just fucking stop being an issue?
Yeah, the beautiful thing about a joke is that like it always is existing
Right, the great ones are always existing right in front of us. Yeah, and we just haven't grabbed on it
So when somebody says it you're like you mother fuck exactly. How did I not?
Exactly. It's that that's the best feeling when someone has a bit you're like, why didn't I think of that?
Yeah, that's the best feeling when someone comes up to you and goes, yeah
Oh my god, that is so good and it can it can be simple. It can be such a simple.
But that requires it.
You're not thinking about yourself.
You're thinking about the work, the thing, the piece that you're working on.
When you're a person who thinks about themselves, like, I'm going to kill by saying these things
and I'm going to get this.
It's you're literally like blocking creativity. And so then when they have to be creative, it's terrible
They just never learned they don't they don't have the time the gym. They don't know how to lift the weights
They just don't know what it is. They're pretending. They're black belt. Yeah, they're out there pretending to be a black belt
Well the confidence of a black belt, but they got bullshit moves. Yeah, and they get knocked out. Yeah, they get fucked up
No, that does happen. Yeah, and it's yeah, it's like it's hilarious when you see a really bad special from a known thief
Yeah, the language some of them
They'll still step on premises that they know other people have done and it still sucks because they can't steal anymore
The language is the best way of putting it. Yeah, it's like you don't say in the language of comedy
Yeah
It is a fuck and that's something I wonder like the people who start really young like you know how like when you learn a language young
Yeah, you have a way greater aptitude for it, and there's a fluency and a comfort within it
Mm-hmm whereas if you try to learn a language at like 40
Maybe it's just not gonna be a strong like you can memorize vocabulary
You can do all these things just a little bit harder for you to be well
You don't have the resources because you know't have like when you're 40 you have
bills and family and obligations and things that are bothering you all day long.
When you're 15 or 12 you don't have any of those problems.
You have a few problems with friends.
You don't have any bills, food's available every night.
You're not worrying about how the electric stays on.
I don't give a shit about that.
You don't get the internet's on, I've typed in.
Explore.
Yeah, you're free.
You have so little resources that are being allocated
to all these different things that when you're a person
and you have a family and a mortgage and a fucking business
and this and that and neighborhood homeowners association
and human resources at work and taxes
and you don't have the time
to learn French.
Yeah, you better learn it before all that.
Yeah, yeah, it's much easier if you learn it
before all that, because otherwise you're just not
gonna have the time to obsess about a thing.
And the obsession, and like, the purity,
when you really care about the thing you're talking about,
like I don't know if you've went through times
in your stand-up career where like
there wasn't something you wanted to share.
Did you ever go through stretches like that?
Yeah, you have nothing to talk about.
Yeah.
Especially when you're young.
Yeah, and it's like,
or there was times where like,
I felt like I talked about all the things.
And I had like a straight, before this last hour,
I was like, man, what do I want to say?
All right, I did the thing about abortion.
I've done the thing about trans. I did all the things. And I'm like, I don't want I want to say? All right, I did the thing about abortion. I've done the thing about trans.
I did all the things.
I'm like, I don't want to just be grabbing at a topic.
I want to really like feel strongly about something.
Actually be interested.
Exactly.
And I took like a little bit of time off
before I actually felt something.
And the funny thing is when you feel strongly
about something, it pours out.
It's not hard.
The jokes might not be good at first,
but you can't wait to tell them and figure them out.
Try to figure out a joke you don't care about is a job.
It's not an art.
That's a job.
But when you care and it's fun and it's exciting
and the stakes are fucking high and it could fuck up,
that I want to get on stage.
I can't wait.
Give me another spot.
How do I work? And you try to figure it out in real time
in front of a group of people.
And you have to elicit a specific response from them.
It has to be humor.
You know what's so funny is, like,
you ever listen to a recording of, like, a new bit,
and when you were on stage doing it,
you're like, that crushed.
And then when you listen back, you're like,
oh, it did okay, but you were just so excited
that it worked, that the excitement changed almost
the way that you interpreted the crowd. Yeah
And I don't know for me. I'm like, oh that means I really like this but also that's the problem with old bits
You don't get enthusiastic about it anymore and the audience doesn't feel the enthusiasm from you
I feel like why is this not working, right? It's cuz you're not working because it's not math
Yeah, we're problem jokes at its core, it's not word problem.
It's like those people gotta connect
to the way you feel about this thing.
Exactly.
And they'll pick up quick.
Exactly, exactly.
And there's ways to trick the system
with like Mr. X and all this kind of stuff.
But if they can feel, they can sense
that deep down you don't give a fuck,
they're not giving it up.
And you got guys like Joey is a perfect example.
It's like when he's fucking rolling. Yeah, he feels it
Yeah, it feels like he is equally passionate about it the first time he said it and then and you get caught up
It's not becoming a joke. Yeah, it's a gnosis. Yeah, it is. Yeah
Yeah, you're hypnotizing the entire crowd to think the way Joey thinks. Yes. Yeah. Yes. Yes, he's doing
You're on like an emotional wavelength. Yes, and yeah to me that's like that. That's what he's doing. You're on like an emotional wavelength. Yes.
And yeah, to me that's like the,
that's the highest form of it.
Obviously you wanna have the structure,
you wanna have the jokes,
you wanna have the misdirects and all these things,
100%.
But to me, I think those are almost like,
that's like the icing and sprinkles on the cake.
The cake is built with,
how much do I really fucking care about this position?
Yes.
And sometimes the position is just me being naughty
or silly or absurd, doesn't matter.
But I gotta fucking care about it.
Yeah, it has to be important to you.
And they feel that.
And those are the bits I always remember.
They can be the silliest little fucking things,
like little things Patrice would do about the subway
stopping, you saw that one where like,
excuse me, someone's just been hit by the subway,
there's gonna be a delay.
And he just stands there and all of a sudden he like moves his sleeve to look at his watch to see how late he's going to be to work.
And it's just this little tiny thing, which is like, that's how we would feel.
He didn't even need a punch line.
It's just like, that guy's dead, turning to jelly on the tracks.
He's like 915,15, fuck! Yeah.
Like, yeah.
How many of those can I make in my life?
Yeah.
That's to me.
And you always think that when you have a new bit,
like this is the last new bit, like I don't
have anything else to say.
But you'll always have something to say.
You just need the time.
Yeah.
You need the time.
You need to think.
And again, it needs to be something
you're actually interested in. Yeah. So you needs to be something you're actually interested in.
So you have to find something you're actually interested in.
That's the difference between thieves.
That's why they don't have interest in killing themselves.
They don't have interest.
They have interest in killing themselves.
Exactly.
They're interested in themselves.
How can I succeed?
How can I win?
Yeah.
Yeah.
And they're usually always tearing down other comedians too.
Which is always ironic. Well, because they're projecting how they feel other comedians to yeah, which is always ironic
Well, because they're projecting how they feel about themselves. Yeah, it's fascinating. It's fascinating
But it's also fascinating that there's still a few thieves out there that have managed to like slip through and they're existing around us
We're all aware of them like there. There's one
Why do you think that there are more people that don't call him out then?
Because there's definitely career...
Implications.
Consequences, yeah.
You know, like some of these people wind up being successful and they hire people.
That's one of the things they love to do.
Thieves will hire a bunch of other thieves when they got a television show.
And they have thieves, like a thief will hire a bunch of comedians, I should say, when they
get a television show and they give them work and they support them
And then this is like then you have a bunch of people that will defend you
That's very common and that could because you're paying them exactly
Exactly like that these will go out and get a bunch of people that maybe they swipe some bits from and they put them on
Their television show. Yeah, I know people have done that
So that's their way of almost like paying for silence.
Paying it back, yeah.
Hooking them up, paying it back.
I'll give you examples after the show.
We don't need to be negative, talk about people,
but there's a bunch of that that I know.
But you know, there's also a bunch of people
that are killing it that we know are pure.
And having this like amazing successful run right now
because of the internet, because of streaming platforms
that are leaning into really good comedy
and not comedy that fits a certain narrative.
And I think those people, if I look at the people
who are having the most success right now,
I think it's the people that are pure.
And that are-
There's a lot of that, yeah.
I mean, we can talk after after but the people that I see
Crushing it the people I'm looking at and I'm just like holy shit. This guy does it like Shane deserves it Yeah, and he's just hilarious. Yeah, and I'm looking at these people and I'm just like
That could have went a different way on a percent like it could win a really different way. Yeah, but
the the the structure was set up in a way where he had another opportunity,
and with his second chance,
demolished anything that could have stood in his way.
And it's like, okay, I look at that,
and I go, okay, there is some justice in this.
It's also like people are in his corner.
You want them to succeed.
Well, when you're good, people wanna fight for you.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
This is a great time for comedy, man.
I think it might be the best time ever
I really do I think this is the legitimately the golden age of comedy
We're in it and this is also when like Ari said it best is like comedy's dangerous now
Because it's fun because comedy's dangerous again
Yeah, cuz you know like there's so many people that want to restrict what people can and can't talk about
That that's That's unique.
I feel like the restriction is less now.
Really?
Yeah.
Now, right now, currently.
Like in today, I feel like we can kind of say anything.
As opposed to like two years ago.
Two, five, five to two years, like now you're like,
oh shit, this joke is wild to say.
Well it's also people are wanting you to go out there.
They get excited, like when you did that ditty bit.
Yeah. Like people wanted you to go out there. They're excited, like when you did that ditty bit. Like people wanted you to go out there.
They're like, oh, he went right in there.
Oh, Jesus Christ.
I remember I got to LA a day early
and I was trying to work out some local stuff,
because sometimes it's fun to just,
you're in a city, you're lying.
And I was at the store
and I was bombing my ass off with local shit.
Every local joke I tried to do just fucking bombed
and I was like, what the fuck am I gonna talk about
the forum, like everything I try.
And I thought that they were like aware
that like the city was in a different state
than it used to be and I'm trying to write
all these jokes about like what's happened to the city
and people in LA don't really feel
the city's changed that much.
That's like an outside perspective.
So I'm saying it and they're kinda laughing
but they're like, or they're aware
and they don't wanna admit it.
Right.
And I remember we just, I was just in the green room,
I'm just like, fuck, maybe the joke is about Diddy.
That's the only thing everybody's talking about.
That's all that's on our minds, that's what's happening.
And then, bro, this is how funny 50 is.
I'll share this.
Can you?
Yeah, I'll tell you the full thing after, I'm gonna share this. Can you? Yeah.
I'll tell you the full thing after, but I got FaceTime from 50 and he's like,
he's like, yo, next time,
he goes, he goes, he goes,
yo, next time I come see you, bro,
I'm gonna come out on stage with a Maltese cat.
Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha.
I'm like bro you're the craziest motherfucker. Imagine him walking out on a show petting a fucking cat.
So do you, what do you think was going on?
With who?
Meek and Diddy?
I don't think any, I don't think Meek's gay, I don't think anything's happening with them.
I think that was just like a funny rumor that happened.
I even said that when I first did the Meek joke. I was like I don't think he's gay with them. I think that was just like a funny rumor that happened I even said that when I first did the meek joke. I was like, I don't think he's gay
He just handled the accusations poorly. Yes, like he just handled it. I love pussy. What does that? That's the gayest thing
Yeah, but I don't think he's but uh, yeah. Yeah, but that's just an unsophisticated approach to PR
Yeah, like his PR teams probably like hey, maybe don't do something. Yeah. Yeah, who knows?
I mean he's probably not consulting with anybody. Yeah, I had a guess nobody consults with you when something happens
You just post whatever you want. Yeah. Yeah, I don't have like a team. Yeah telling me
Don't say that before the podcast
That would be a problem. Yeah, it would be yeah, I would have never gotten anywhere. Yes
We need you to not have a team actually. Yeah, it's be. Yeah, I would have never gotten anywhere. Yes. Yeah, yeah, we need you to not have a team, actually.
Yeah, it's actually kind of important.
You don't have a bunch of people you consult with about what could be dangerous.
Because then who controls them? What are their intentions?
Yeah, exactly. And what are they doing this based on?
You know, self-preservation? Yeah.
Yeah, it's just wild that apparently he had cameras in every room of his house.
That's what they're saying. Has that been verified? It's just wild that apparently he had cameras in every room of his house.
That's what they're saying.
Has that been verified?
I don't think it's been verified.
I think like the Epstein shit, it never will be.
Now I'm not saying that he's like Epstein.
You know, I think he could have some fucking wild parties and set her.
But if he was filming everybody, if he's filming everybody, I understand why Hummer showed
up to the house because people who went to the parties were like, get those fucking things.
Hundreds of hidden cameras discovered in Diddy's homes, lawsuit says.
Oh, well then it's, yeah, it's a wrap, done.
Hundreds.
Yeah, you will never see any of that footage.
This dude had hundreds of cameras. That is so crazy.
Because if he's doing wild shit.
At court filing, Jones said he worked with Combs between September 22nd
and September of 2022 and September of 2023 to produce the
rapper's most recent release.
So he said hundreds of cameras in his homes in LA, New York and Miami.
And did he like to throw the parties like he would throw the white party he do.
But who's he have taken care of that footage?
I mean, you know, you can get people.
Wow.
You know, powerful dude.
He's a powerful dude, and I think he really enjoyed power.
The underage people implicating people in crimes
by bringing underage people to them.
Wait, what does that mean?
That was the whole thing about the Epstein place,
is that like if you've got underage girls
and you don't tell these guys these are underage girls,
and then you get them drugged up
Get them drunk give them coke whatever it is and then film them. Yep. Well, they don't even know they don't know that
They're committing acts of pedophilia could be or could be they do know and they think it's safe to do it
Because this guy's protecting them but meanwhile, they're just coked up and they're getting filmed
Yeah, you know, which is also the the theory. Yeah
but it is
You got a thing
when someone becomes
When someone becomes like a wild billionaire character, yeah, you're like, well, where's the pussy?
Yeah, where's the shit that I got rich for imagine you went to the island of fun?
Yeah, I need it Where's the pussy? Where's the shit that I got rich for? Where's all the fun?
I need to, like, how do I get the fun?
And then someone comes along like,
you need to get connected with my friend,
Jeffrey Epstein, he takes care of everything.
And he brings the fun.
And so you just keep flying to hang out with them,
and so that's your party.
And you can't go to Vegas and go to Dre's
and pick up hoes and get crazy
and bring them back to your suite with Coke
and people talk too much.
So here's the thing, it's like these tech guys
have made all this money.
Right.
Right, they made all this money,
they're hanging out in Miami or wherever they're hanging.
Uh-uh.
And they're like, I'm a billionaire now,
why am I not getting pussy?
I gotta connect with some people that can make me the man.
I thought I'd be the man now that I'm a billionaire.
I bet in the CEO world and now that I'm a billionaire. I bet in like the CEO world,
and in that world of country clubs
and fucking Skull and Bones,
there's dudes who know how to get the hookers.
Oh, here's the thing, it's not even the Skull and Bones guys.
Because that's like old wasp shit.
I'm talking about the nerd from Silicon Valley.
The nerds know prostitutes.
The nerds have coke.
It's not even the nerds.
They have a guy whose it's their job to throw the parties. It's the fiction now
You know like these like jet setter crews
My boy was explaining how this thing worked to me to have these like events around the globe that like wealthy people go like Davos
but not even not even Davos more just like
New York Fashion Week in the US open all happens around Labor Day in New York, right?
So everybody who like comes for money and all these like, you know
Rich socialite people from around the world. They all come to New York for that week, right?
Right, and they go to the nice parties and they do all the things
Tech bros or the crypto bros want to be included in that cool thing, right?
How do they be included? They got to throw the best party
Cool thing right how do they be included they got to throw the best party?
How do you make the best party you have to have all the models you have to have the cool people right? They don't know any of those right you get the fixer the fixers get paid crazy money from the tech bros or cryptic
Rose because they want in on this thing and you develop a reputation and being the guy who puts on the crazy bashes now
Right once you have that reputation
They think they're in.
All these other people who are like the socialite people
who come from tons of money and their parents are lords
and shit, they look at them like, oh, you're paying a play.
It's a bringer show for comedy.
You're not really selling out Caroline's,
you did the bringer show.
But they don't know that, so they're like,
yeah, we're all partying, we're doing the thing.
So there's this whole economy that kind of like feasts
off these people who just have money. But here's the thing, those people are doing the fixers, they got
the models to show up. These models are curating their Instagram by going to these parties
around the world. Sometimes they're getting paid to go to the parties. I imagine the models
that are more fun, in other words, they get a little loose, they like to party, they like
to fuck a little bit, they get invited more. The ones that are less fun they get a little loose they like to party and they like to fuck a little bit they get invited more
Yeah, ones that are less fun. Maybe a little bit more tight. They don't fuck they don't get invited
Right so you don't even have to say you got to fuck these guys
You just want to know if you want to get invited to this nice party in Switzerland, right?
You know what kind and you start doing a little blow start doing a little molly
That's what you like to do in the first place
And then you get to party on yachts
and you're hanging out with all these guys
and maybe they even pay you.
Well, they are paying them.
Yeah.
And everybody's fucking the same girls.
Maybe it's a lot of money.
It's a lot of money.
Like, you know the Salt and O'Brennais deal?
What is it?
Oh my God.
Salt and O'Brennais, he had his own nightclub.
Maybe he still does.
Okay.
So he had his own nightclub.
He has like 500 Ferraris.
Like these guys have insane amounts of money
because it's not public.
So they don't have to be like the world's richest men.
Exactly.
But they're richer than everybody.
They have trillions.
And so he had his own nightclub.
And so what he would do is he would pay actresses,
he would find these girls, get me her,
and he would get these gals and
give them exorbitant amounts of money to come.
And then he would have a nightclub where it was only him.
And he would go down there and it's filled with gorgeous women.
And he would go down there and just go, you come with me.
And then they'd go fucking party.
And they were making a lot of money.
And one of them was writing a book.
And so she had a laptop and she was like documenting what they confiscated her laptop and then she went back to America
that she spilled the beans and she ratted out all the other girls that were doing it
and kind of fucked up the whole thing because like a list people were getting shit tons
of money this thing to go over there.
We know.
Yeah.
I don't say a list but no no no people that you know.
Yeah.
There's like people you know of
Then if you go there you get millions of dollars like this lady had gotten millions of dollars in jewelry from him
There's a service
That apparently
That we're like I love that word. Yeah, apparently right like billionaires can fuck like
sports illustrated models and shit like Victoria's Secret chicks chicks that we've seen and
It's cost a lot of money and they do it because it's like hey
It's easier than you know going to do these shoes right easy
They don't want to tell anybody that they did it and also they're getting the fuck billionaires and I'm fucking some random crackhead, right?
They're gonna already fuck the billionaire
So I might as well make some fucking money doing it and it exists now. And you know about this? Allegedly?
Allegedly I may know people who have partaken.
So it's like this exists.
Bang like cover of Maxim.
I don't know the cover.
I don't know what's going on.
Whatever.
Just some hot ladies that you are aware of.
But they're not just hot chicks that come from Russia, right?
We're talking about...
Famous people.
That you would never think would even need to do that, right?
Just these are like the ecosystems that exist out there. Well, it makes sense if you're worth two hundred billion dollars You can't get someone a million dollars to fuck you. That is nothing you make that in five minutes
So I'll never nice been okay in two
2001 Jeffrey was forced to auction off his personal possessions after using the country as a piggy bank, spending an average of $747,000 a day for 10 years.
On top of the $17 billion in gifts to friends and family, the Sultanese true vulgarity was
exposed.
His brother also treats the country as an ATM, and it remains a crime in Brunei for
anyone to ever discuss how the royals spend their money.
When you don't work for your money, how can you value it?
Like if it just comes right out the grounds,
like how do you really think $10,000
is worth something?
How much was he spending today?
$747,000.
That's so crazy, he lives in a palace
with 1,788 rooms, 257 bathrooms,
five swimming pools, a mosque, a banquet hall that holds 5,000 people and a 110 car garage.
When he turned 50, the Sultan built a stadium, invited Michael Jackson to perform in it,
and paid him $17 million for three concerts.
Jeffrey 59 maintains a separate pleasure palace
and once owned a 150 foot yacht called the Tits.
Called the yacht Tits.
He named his fenders Nipple One and Nipple Two.
Love it.
And he could never understand why others found
that juvenile and crass.
Here and abroad, the brothers are infamous
for their sex parties and their harems
composed mainly of underage girls.
Yeah, that's crazy Wow
Wild bro that that amount of money that you spend in yeah, that is so crazy three billion dollars plus
But that doesn't that's I'd said it didn't include the 17 billion dollars that he was giving out to people Wow
In the Michael Jackson thing for his birthday yeah, okay, okay that didn't ball and son
The Michael Jackson thing for his birthday. Yeah, okay, okay that didn't ball and son
These fucking things exist all over the place crazy, and it's the easiest money that these girls will ever make crazy. Yeah
Yeah, well, and it's so if you've got that much money. It doesn't mean anything. It doesn't mean anything They light it on fire the money's coming every day
It's just stacking up giving someone a million dollars to fuck and the girls probably wait a million dollars regular sex
You're not gonna shit on me
He's not gonna give you this Cincinnati top hat
You know I was asking
I was asking, because when I was out there in Abu Dhabi, I was trying to understand some of the cultural nuances, but I had a joke about it, but I was asking about the Dubai
shit.
Did you send me that?
Or you sent me the...
I did a joke out there.
But they told me that the Burj Khalifa has a separate sewage system because it wasn't
connected to the sewage system of Dubai, so they have these poop trucks that take the poop out, right?
And the joke I said is like, well, that's why they have
to shit on the hooker's chest
because it's not connected to the plumbing, right?
But they were telling me like these interesting
cultural things that happen out there,
like with the license plates, have you heard about this?
Yes.
Where the lower the number, the more expensive it is.
Yeah, crazy expensive.
Yeah, millions of dollars for a number three license plate.
I'm like, why is that?
And one of the kids who's from the Royal Family goes,
he goes, you have to understand, like, when everybody has a G
wagon or Range Rover, it is not a big deal
to have a G wagon or Range Rover.
And people have this need to show off.
But if everybody got the expensive shit,
how else can you flex?
License plate.
Yeah, wild.
Also, crime over there, almost nonexistent.
Go to Dubai and commit a crime.
See how that goes.
Go to Abu Dhabi and commit a crime.
They've compartmentalized society.
But yeah, they're strict, but it's also like,
anybody there who's working has been,
there's a working class of people
who do not really operate outside of working
within the society.
And then everybody else there
who's not part of the working class has money,
so why would you commit crime?
There's also the, did you ever see the Vice documentary
on some of the people that built Dubai?
No.
So some of the contractors, what they would do
is they would go to third world countries
and they'd promise people exorbitant amounts of money
to go over and work construction. Then they'd bring them over to Dubai and then take their pass exorbitant amounts of money to go over there and work construction.
Then they'd bring them over to Dubai
and then take their passports
and then force them to live in squalor,
give them a fraction of what they paid
and they're basically indentured servants.
Yeah, so the working system is,
I don't know how different it is from that even today,
but basically you work there for 11 months,
you get one month off, you get paid very little money.
It's not enough money for upward mobility.
While you're there, you are working just to work
and then send money back home to your family,
wherever it is.
You never will become part of society.
So they have really curated a system
where those people have no upward mobility.
Now, I imagine the advantage of that is there's no crime.
Because everybody who's poor there is working.
And they know their place, they're in danger.
It's not simple.
It's not like you can just get away with things.
And we're taking you from destitute poverty
where your family would die.
So they're like, yeah, we're giving you an opportunity.
These people are like, well, if I fuck up here,
my whole family dies back home or my whole family starves
or my whole family is gonna go through
some horrible situation.
So I'm the lifeline for my family.
So they are taking advantage of that desperation, 100%.
But yeah, I guess what they would dictate,
they would say the benefit of that is no crime.
But there is a social cost of that.
There is a subclass of people that are there.
There's always gonna be a social cost
when you have monarchies.
Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah. Yeah, and then you have people with exorbitant wealth
and all the power.
And then, you know, some of them turned bad,
like Saddam Hussein and his sons,
which were famously some of the most evil motherfuckers
that ever existed.
I mean, they would feed women to dogs.
They would find women that were getting married,
steal the woman from the marriage,
rape her, and then feed her to dogs.
Jesus Christ.
Yeah, man.
Uday and Kusay.
There's been many tales written about how evil they were.
They were like legitimate serial killers.
That's the risk of the monarchy, right?
You don't know if that egg that comes out is good.
Well, it's also like having a child
that grows up with total complete power.
You can have a Joffrey, you know?
I mean, that's the archetype.
But maybe you get a, what is the guy
that everybody thinks said everything great?
Marcus Aurelius.
Yeah, exactly.
I don't know.
He did a lot of psychedelics.
Really?
Yeah, he was a part of the Illucinian mysteries.
Yeah.
I didn't know that.
Yeah, he was a part of that whole
Greek Illucinian mysteries thing. Yeah. Yeah, he was a part of that whole Greek Illusinian mysteries thing.
Yeah.
Yeah, he was involved in those ceremonies.
Yeah, there's a lot of speculation
that ancient Greek society,
specifically from Brian Meriurescu's work.
Did you ever talk to him?
No, but I read some stuff about,
there were certain plants that grow
that elicited the same chemical compounds as DMT or something?
That's LSD.
Or LSD, yeah.
Well, there's a bunch of different ones
that do all kinds of different psychoactive ones,
but they've absolutely found definitive proof
of the use of ergot.
And ergot is a fungus that gives people
the same sort of psychedelic experience as LSD.
Ergot?
Ergot, yeah, it's a fungus.
It's also a fungus that they connect
with the Salem witch trials.
Like a mushroom?
Yeah, it's like, yeah, it's like,
it's a fungus that grows on wheat,
and that fungus, it can be toxic for some people,
it can kill them at certain doses,
but it also imparts an LSD effect,
and they found ergot in some of the wine vessels.
So they were
taking it without even knowing? No they were taking it on purpose. Oh. What is
this? A heroic Greek potion. The kykeon. Yeah that's what they called it.
This drink and so they believed this drink contained a mixture of a bunch
of different psychedelic compounds. One of it's for sure they know is
ergot but there's a few other ones that I can't remember
that they know are in there as well.
And they found this from studying
these ancient pottery vessels.
Yeah, your saucer looks like a mushroom.
Is that on purpose?
I don't think so, but it could.
But if your whole idea is that this-
Saucers and mushrooms do have a lot of similarities.
But the stoned ape theory is if the mushrooms
that took us to the next level,
now we have the aliens taking us to the next level.
It might be the aliens brought us the mushrooms.
There we go.
Who knows?
Anyway, but yeah, this is crazy.
So then he was taking all that
and that's why all this wisdom.
Well, that's why he was so beyond wise.
And he also believed in forgiveness,
even forgiveness of his enemies.
He was a Roman emperor.
No, he was very compassionate.
He has all these great quotes.
I guess what I assume is like,
in the same way that somebody is writing Obama speeches,
people were writing his stuff.
So I imagine that his stoicism or whatever
are the collection of the greatest ideas of the time.
And the way to disseminate that information is to be like,
yo, it's from the emperor, it's from the top boss.
Part of it, but meditations, I don't believe,
was ever written with the intent of it being distributed.
Oh, so they just found this diary of tips.
Find that out.
I think that's the case.
I'm not trying to discredit him.
I'm just trying to say that like-
No, no, I know what you're saying.
Well, for sure, definitely, he did,
I mean, everybody at any point in time
has the information of the greatest minds
they've encountered.
Of course.
Einstein was talking to other great people,
and then he might have the greatest mind,
but he's still able to.
Yeah, it's a collaborative effort,
including with philosophy and certainly back then.
But this guy, this one guy, his experiences,
to this day they resonate.
You read your meditations today,
you're like, oh, this is a guidebook
to how to live your life in a better way.
And it's rare that you would have someone
in his circumstance where he was raised to be king. Exactly. Then he would be successful. Yeah, and then his son turns out to be a better way. It's real. And it's rare that you would have someone in his circumstance where he was raised to be king.
Exactly.
Then he would be successful.
Yeah, and you know, and then his son turns out to be a cunt.
But then they say that was because of the lead pipes
or something like that?
I'm sure that had something to do with it.
There was something about, like, I was reading,
or was it Nero, who was the,
there was one emperor that just went crazy,
and they said is he wasn't raised in the castle,
he wasn't raised in the forum or whatever the fuck it was and then when he moved
There and he started consuming the water from the lead pipes
And then he went more and more crazy throughout I mean this is what some tour guide totally makes sense
But yeah, I know what lead did you know fuck they were stoked to have pipes George Washington's teeth were made with lead
Yeah, you know that's that Shane Gillis is a great bit. It's a fucking bang
I love that bit. Yeah, but that's true
Yeah, the literal mold that his teeth were fitted into his lead carried lead in his mouth all day
Yeah nuts wild boy wild wow boy yeah
But the country is founded by wild crazy kind of need a crazy motherfucker to found a country
Yeah, it's not like the most sane thing to be like,
yo, let's just thwart the whole system,
do something completely different,
we'll do it on our own.
Not only that, but have this fail safe method
that exists today to keep someone from becoming a tyrant.
Oh, to relinquish the power.
That was the greatest thing,
I think that might've been the greatest thing
a leader has ever done.
To set in motion this idea
that you're not gonna
maintain this power after you have it.
Yeah, no one can.
What a fucking...
Pretty amazing, they have the foresight.
Did he write about it at all?
Is there a moment where he regretted it two months later
and he's like, man, I should have kept that shit.
Like he's gonna deal with a parking ticket or something,
he's like, fuck.
After he gets out of office, it's bullshit.
I could put my horse here yeah I mean imagine if someone tried to form a
country today how quick they'd put the kibosh on that I mean it happens all the
time yeah but if somebody like went to some new like Greenland or something
just said we're gonna set up shop here yeah the powers of be gone no no you
gonna have weapons yeah what fuck that you that you make an army. Fuck out of here
We're gonna find a reason why you guys are whatever you are
Yeah, we gotta stop this we gotta figure out a way to invade
When are we gonna take Greenland already or buy it wasn't Trump talking about buying it you see he made a tweet
I promise I won't do this,
and he had like a giant Trump tower there
that said Trump on the ceiling.
But it sounded like a cool acquisition.
Yeah, it seems like it's available.
Like don't they have all these minerals and stuff,
and there's all this great.
Also, if the world does warm up,
that's a good spot to go to.
Ah.
You know, throughout history,
when the world's gotten colder and warmer,
people have moved away from the place
We can't live in yeah, you know to the places where you can live. So we got a nice little fail-safe
Yeah, well something imagine a little something. We're just all in Greenland. Well, there was discussions about Trump buying Greenland
Yeah, cuz it's got a lot of I don't know. Why didn't that happen? I
Think Greenland shut it down. Isn't for sale down. Isn't Greenland owned by Denmark or something?
Everything for sale.
Yeah. Come on.
Are you sure? I just didn't get the right offer.
It might be the offer. Yeah.
But we've made some good deals. Like that fucking Louisiana purchase was a good deal.
What a crazy deal. I mean.
How about Alaska? That's a crazy. Yeah, Alaska was nuts since 1867 United States considered or made several
Proposals to purchase the island of Greenland from Denmark
Yeah from Denmark who did it with the Danish West Indies in 1917 while Greenland remains an autonomous territory within the Kingdom of Denmark a
1951 treaty gives the United States much control over an island once partially claimed from exploration
There's got to be all kinds of shit up there that they could use. Yeah. What do you think about Antarctica?
Well, did you ever see that one guy that was on the Sean Ryan show that claims that there's like a direct energy weapon
Yeah, yeah, boy that guy seems overconfident. Yeah, he knows what he's talking about. He's a fireman.
He's not a scientist.
I had access to everything.
Yeah, there's something about that
that doesn't sit right with me, but I don't know.
Also, you know, it's just, it's so hard,
unless you have evidence,
like unless you could show that they could turn this thing on.
Right.
And what is it?
It's a neutrino detector that also can be used
as a directed energy weapon?
That's it, directed energy weapon,
is what they were saying.
Yeah, I mean, listen, that's a concept
that existed for a long time.
I'm sure they probably have something like that.
They definitely have things that were just theoretical.
They have a rail gun now, and this rail gun
can go through multiple layers of steel.
Have you ever seen the rail gun in operation?
No.
It's crazy.
Rail gun, just like from Quake.
This thing sends this bolt through,
I think they did like 10 giant steel plates in a row,
and it just went through all of them like it was hot butter.
But is it a laser?
What is the material that's actually going through actually going I don't know exactly how it works
So this is the thing so this is this is the rail this bolt going through all this steel Jesus
Look at this. It just goes through everything
Goes through all that shit, but we're gonna go in through it. Just going through everything man look at that I
Look at it going through it. Just going through everything, man.
Look at that.
I mean, it's like total science fiction,
Star Wars type shit.
So they've got some wild shit.
And I guarantee they're working on direct energy weapons
as well.
Now, what they've been able to accomplish
versus what is theoretical, that's the real question.
And if it did exist, if there was a direct energy weapon,
would they tell us?
I don't think they would.
Why would they tell us?
No, I mean, it gets, the conspiracies out there get wild.
Like there's pyramids there.
You've seen that one, I'm sure.
But if you also start digging,
they say nobody can like dig under the ice.
Like don't mess with the ice out there.
I think there's like a treaty across all countries
that have somehow like taken apart
or claimed apart part of Antarctica
But I think the tricky thing is like if you start digging and you find
Animal remains like humans tend to follow animals wherever they go
Yeah, so are we gonna find some humans over there? And then how does that distort right historical timeline find a spaceship down there?
That was the thing one of the things that Lazar said is that one of the vehicles was a part of an archaeological dig.
But not...
They found it in an archaeological dig.
But not in Antarctica.
No, he didn't say where. He didn't say where.
He didn't say where.
But he said one of the ships they recovered from an archaeological dig.
And they think these things have been around for a long, long, long time.
So then...
The people that work with them, like Diana Posalka,
who wrote, what was it, Encounters?
She said that they refer to them as donations.
These crashed UFOs, they don't even necessarily
think of them as crashed.
They think they kind of let it crash.
They're donations for us to back engineer,
that we're supposed to take them and go figure this out.
And that this is something that helps our technological evolution
And there's a lot of people to point to like the creation of fiber optics that it all kind of happened right after Roswell
And there's did there's these descriptions of fiber optics that existed in this the crafts. They found at Roswell
So they're looking at us like we're looking at the orangutan. Yeah, here's a stick
Go fish with that stick.
Yeah.
I mean, that would be a good way to accelerate technologies,
to just introduce something to them
and go back engineer that.
Yeah.
Figure that out.
I mean, isn't that how we do it now?
Yeah.
Well, that's what Lazar had said they were doing with him
in Area 51, in S4.
He was saying, but they didn't know exactly
how these things worked. They didn't know how to recreate it,
and they wouldn't let the scientists
talk to other scientists.
He's like, science doesn't exist in a vacuum like that.
You need a collaborative effort
of a bunch of different people,
and also different scientists that were working on a thing
weren't allowed to talk to each other.
That's a military thing, right, for privacy?
A compartmentalization thing,
yeah, for top secret clearance.
But he was the guy that was saying that they were also telling him that, That's a military thing, right? For privacy. Yes, a compartmentalization thing. Yeah, for top secret clearance.
But he was the guy that was saying
that they were also telling him
that we are a farm of souls.
Yeah.
And this is the thing that the people that know about it
say you can't tell people because they would freak out.
There'd be riots in the streets.
I mean, that was just,
someone just recently said something like that.
It was one of the recent conversations between some top official.
They were saying if people, if real disclosure happened and people knew
exactly what was going on, there'd be riots.
He would be freaking out.
I think we'd be okay now.
Well, who knows?
I think we'd be all right.
We found out that we really are just vessels for souls and that we're being
farmed by some super intelligent species that we will eventually become.
The farm thing is tricky
But that we're being groomed
Yeah to become the super intelligent species and it takes time and we have to get there slowly. Yeah
That makes sense I like the theory yeah that tracks that you would just kind of let us figure it out
and let us go.
Not just in the right direction.
There you go.
And that the aliens would show up
once we started detonating nukes.
Cause it's like, whoa, whoa, that's a different direction.
Yeah, okay guys, stop that.
Don't do that anymore.
Yeah.
And we have the baddest sense.
You can do all your nonsense
and do all your regular conventional warfare,
but as soon as you start going atomic,
we're gonna start talking.
Yeah.
We're gonna let you know, you're not the boss.
Quite benevolent, these aliens, huh?
Well, also maybe recognize that this process
has to take place and you can't hold their hand.
You know?
Teach a man to fish, he'll fish for the rest of his life.
Give him out a fish, he eats for a day.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Teach him.
You might meet him one day, Joe.
Yeah.
You might meet him one day. I'm already out of meet him
Will we believe you?
Don't believe me a lie
So one thing I'll lie about I don't lie about anything. I will lie to everybody about that Joe's already
I don't know that means he's already done. I don't know shit. I think it's all fake. It's all Russian propaganda
We need to support Ukraine
It's all fake, it's all Russian propaganda. We need to support Ukraine.
Me and a lot of those fucking things in this room with us right now, observing from other
dimensions.
Fuck.
Yeah, just making sure we're on the general path towards technological progression, which
is what eventually gives birth to it.
So they're...
They're us. Yeah, but they're... They're what every intelligent species eventually becomes because but they're basically on a further timeline
Yeah, yeah, they're influencing their own timeline
They're influencing a similar species to evolve to hit their level of technological
sophistication
Their duty I think that's just what happens. Yeah, that's probably what happens in the universe, you know
Yeah, I mean look when we go to visit primitive societies. Yeah, we bring the wells
Oh, that's true start creating electricity for them. We teach them how to farm
Yeah, so we do it just makes sense that they would do that especially if they're it's beyond advanced like yeah
Incomprehensibly more advanced than we are they would slowly help us do it right yeah and stop us from making
Catastrophic errors and we're fun. We're like dogs in a way like dogs are fun
You want to teach them how to sign and shit outside also like look at them go yeah
Look at these people create some good stuff. Yeah, we're gonna make it drones and shit
Yeah, wild. Yeah, look what they're doing rail guns and shit. Look at these psychos
hypersonic jets
Yeah, look at them go and still cage fighting. Yeah. Yeah, we got it all slap
Fighting slap fighting is like that's the bottom when that that comes onto the aliens desk. Wait, they're doing what?
Slap.
They can't defend each other.
They have to stand there.
Yeah.
Do they know about brain damage?
Oh yeah.
Yeah, the people that host it also host MMA.
Yeah, they know everything about it.
They know everything about brain damage.
And they just say, look, sign up at the dotted line.
You can ride a bull, can fuck a dirt bike ride
You can get slapped. Yeah, you can do whatever you want in this country. Yes. Yeah
Yeah, yeah, that's probably what the aliens like Jesus Christ. They probably look at slap fighting go. Oh my god
Yeah, someone trying to tell him not to do that. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. America is like the way that we look at Trump
They look at America
You know me we're like the guy's fucking crazy, but he's funny as hell right. That's them
They're just like they invented what yeah, yeah, what about just psychos? Yeah, yeah, and maybe all
Advancing civilizations are psychos. Maybe they all eventually have to become integrated with technology to escape the boundaries and the
Like the walls that are set up by their biology.
Because your biology has allowed you through,
in a natural environment, to achieve a place
where you could be detached from the natural environment
with cities and buildings and structures
and electricity and power and technology and weapons
and weapons that allow soft, fleshy water balloons filled with blood
to go out there and kill grizzly bears from 100 yards.
Boom!
And you stand next to them, look at me, look what I did.
You know, it's wild, but it seems like that is the only way
you get to be sophisticated enough to create technology.
You have to have controlled your environment enough
where you've stopped all the enemies,
stopped all the predators.
Egypt.
Yeah.
Like in order to build those pyramids,
you need a long time of safety.
Yeah.
You can't build them as at the same time
that you're at war.
Right.
You're being attacked, there's famine,
there's no water.
Right.
You need long,
Thousands of years.
Thousands of years of safe,
and food, and abundance, abundance and you need a thing
for people to do so they don't kill each other
uh-huh keep them busy yep keep them busy build them from fighting over power
yeah what if it was that simple who knows what it was with those folks
because I think they were probably more sophisticated than we are today
hmm it's just the only thing that makes sense to me that they they were able to
get these multiple tons stones
down from the mountains with no road system.
That's the tricky, what is it, the Aswan Valley?
That they got the stones from for the pyramids in Giza.
That is a really tricky thing to consider.
It's all tricky.
Some of them were from 500 miles away.
They were 80 tons.
They fucking, they got them out of the mountains. They moved 80 tons. They got them out of the mountains.
They moved them down.
They cut them perfectly.
What did they do?
How did they do it?
What are the machines?
What was the technology?
Was it no technology?
Really?
Are you sure?
Is it just based on what?
Our understanding currently of what happened
12,000 years ago, which is like not that good.
No, we have like a piecemeal understanding,
like a very like, just minute understanding
of what was possible back then,
based on the evidence of the result of what was possible,
which is the pyramids, which is bananas.
And we're also trying to explain it with theories
that we've kind of accepted to be fact
that are really not that much.
Like this idea that it was all done with like the chisels and stones.
I don't necessarily subscribe to that.
Yeah, it says who?
Yeah.
All they would have to do is find one piece of machinery that didn't exist
before they could understand.
And they found things before that they didn't know existed,
and they couldn't understand.
What is that mechanism, the ant the antetheric what is it called
there was a computer that they found this computer in gears it was in a roman ship that
it sank to the bottom of the ocean was the antikythera antikythera mechanism so this
thing it's an ancient greek go back to that please so i can read that it's an ancient Greek, go back to that please so I can read that, it's an ancient Greek hand-powered
orrery, a model of the solar system described as the oldest known example of an analog computer.
It's used to predict astronomical positions and eclipses decades in advance. It also could be used to track the four year cycle
of antithetic games.
Athletic games.
Oh, so athletic, give me a little larger.
Athletic games, simpler to the Olympiad,
the cycle of the ancient Olympic games.
The artifact was among the wreckage retrieved
from a shipwreck off the coast of the Greek island
of Antikythera, how do you say that?
Antikythera? Antikythera. How do you say it of Antikythera in 1901. In 1902, as identified by archaeologists,
Valerios Stais as containing a gear, the device housed in the remains of a wooden frame case of uncertain overall size, 34 centimeters by 18 centimeters by 9 centimeters,
was found as one lump later separated into three main fragments, which are now divided
into 82 separate fragments after conservation efforts.
Four of these fragments contain gears, while inscriptions are found on many others.
The largest gear is about 13 centimeters in diameter and originally had 223 teeth all these fragments of the mechanisms are kept in National
Archaeological Museum in Athens along with the reconstructions and replicas to
demonstrate how it may have looked and worked see can see if you can find what
the replica of what it looked like but it you know so they had to sort of like figure out how the fuck did they do this?
Like how did they know this?
What's involved in this?
Like was this ancient technology that existed like a long time ago that they had preserved
and held on to?
Like what was the creation of that thing?
So there's things that we know that we didn't think that they could do that sort of really
throw a monkey wrench to our understanding.
That's just one.
That's just one that they found.
I mean, there could have been stuff from thousands of years before that that just doesn't exist
anymore.
You know, you deal with erosion, you deal with time, and especially
over thousands of years, 12,000 years. Boy, you have nothing left. There's no evidence
of whatever these machines were.
It would be interesting to study like, what happened to technology during the medieval
ages? What is it called? What is it during the Black Plague? Or what was it called? Medieval
Ages? What was that term? What is it during the black plague or was it called medieval ages? What is that term?
Yeah, but during the plague during the plague right where
Was there an erosion of intellectual property
Right because we were dying off people are dying off and do the physicists die like because we always talk about what happened when all
The physicists die right happened all the scientists die
So was there an erosion was there a step back in our ability to create things during that period?
And if there was something that was even worse than that
that happened throughout history,
i.e. like a asteroid or something hit the earth,
well that erosion would just be 10 times worse.
100 times worse, 1000 times worse.
But I'd like to look into that.
Because you still see great works of art
that happened during the mid, what is it,
is it mid-age? Medieval.
Medieval ages? Yeah.
You see these great cathedrals go up.
So there still were, I would imagine,
they were maintaining their ability
to create these great structures.
Right, but there had to be a dip in productivity.
So let's see what that dip is,
and then multiply it by the catastrophe.
Right.
So I think people were just like knocked back
into the stone age.
I think that's probably what happened.
That makes sense.
And that's why you see the emergence of written language and all these different things from
Mesopotamia.
Like that's 6,000 years later after the impacts probably.
So it took that amount of time to recover and build back the knowledge set.
And keep in mind, like the knowledge set isn't maintained
with the efficiency that we have it now, right?
Like you get a couple of books that get destroyed
and there is physics gone, chemistry gone.
That's the library of Alexandria.
They burn the library of Alexandria.
And they're like, everybody's like, what happened?
Yeah, that was the knowledge.
Take a guess.
Yeah, how'd they build this shit?
We've burned it, sorry. Yeah, it is vulnerable
We take for granted it is incredibly vulnerable. Oh, man. We're even more vulnerable now because everything's on hard drives
You know, so all it takes is the power going off and we're fucked
Yeah, and how long would it take for the power gets back on boy asteroid impacts kills the whole grid?
Everyone's knocked to the Stone Age for a couple hundred years bro. You ain't getting into them hard drives
Yeah, you're never gonna figure it out
And although the hard drives are rot though the the moisture in the air the erosion they'll slowly evaporate
Yeah, and if somebody handed you a hard drive
2,000 years later you would just think it was a piece of plastic. Yeah, you have no clue that all the
How about that thing that thing was just a little what the fuck that it was all corroded and fucked up
Yeah, it's the only one they've ever found. I think I'm reading. Yeah, I mean how many of them were there
It wasn't the only one. Yeah, they probably had a bunch of them. They probably even better ones
That's the question. They're saying like what if it was the only one it's an
It's a fucking mystery, baby. We love it. It's a fun time. Oh, it's the best
It's a fun time to be alive as chaotic as it is. This is a really fun time to be alive. Amen
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